| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:03 - Sep 26 with 1338 views | Neath_Jack |
Taxman, do you accept that you cannot keep people and businesses locked down? Do you understand balancing risk? Do you understand the amount of variables involved when comparing region to region, country to country? |  |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:17 - Sep 26 with 1306 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 10:14 - Sep 26 by onehunglow |
Im with Killy here,oddly.
Its not so much wrong as a different view.
Im afraid people have not yet realised just how significant a curse this virus is.We have not woken up to its full significance.
My view is that life has changed forever,for the wort and yes its a doomsday scenario but right now,nobody can prove me wrong anymore than they can prove themselves right.
Right now, pubs restaurants sport stadia are places where people are in close proximity spread a killer virus -and it does. Therefore,they should should close and not open until the virus is beaten or when a vaccine is available.
I dont care if everypub and restaurant is wiped out and all sport become amateur if it stops killing people in their millions .
Where Boris is badly wrong is believing he can rely on our unity,strength and common sense.
We are a shallow,selfish island of eejits who see the most meaningless of thing like alcohol and sport as must haves. We are allowing footballer to be paid 300,000+ per week when staff are on minimal wages whilst the club is ten of millions in debt.
Eejit is not strong enough a word for how dumb we are. |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:19 - Sep 26 with 1304 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 10:36 - Sep 26 by onehunglow |
Its not important if we agree so long as we exchange respectfully.That we do please me.My view are my own and not politically bound by chain. Im serious here-for once.
This virus took my best friend.62 super fit and healthy;taken down and dead within a week.
We have been spoiled in tis country by wealth and peace no matter what and we have kids utterly unable to contemplate anything outside their zone;we have old people who are arrogant-like me and treat kids with distain-like me.Its what we have become.
Im honest to admit it.
I am now 70 and my kids in their 30s .One has a key job in a multi national and the other her own business. Both have and are massively affected by this. Both have large houses and mortgages. One is responsible for closing a factory and the other relies on profession people ,in the main,spending their money with her. Both know how significant Covid is and both believe in lockdown .
This country-GB ,as a whole, is a land of farkckwits. Look around.
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I am very sorry to hear about your friend. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:44 - Sep 26 with 1295 views | exhmrc1 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:03 - Sep 26 by Neath_Jack |
Taxman, do you accept that you cannot keep people and businesses locked down? Do you understand balancing risk? Do you understand the amount of variables involved when comparing region to region, country to country? |
No I dont accept that. The other countries in the world that have locked borders are in a far better position. When you say balancing risk look at the facts. We have been trying to balance risk and it hasnt worked. It hasnt worked in Wales, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, France and Spain to name a few that have tried to do it. If the virus is somewhere it just escalates and that is what is happening in these countries. The result of doing that has led to lockdowns throughout the UK. Look at the number of places in lockdown now in the UK. This means fewer people will use public transport and visit shops. People wont go out if they live in fear. As I posted nursing homes have closed and people are afraid to go to hospital for fear of catching the virus. I have been there myself.
There are 2 basic options. 1 is to follow your course of action. This leads to increased cases and eventually deaths. The other is to look at countries who have followed the course I suggest. They have kept deaths and cases to a minimum. They are able to have public transport and shops working more normally as the people there do not have the same fear as here. There has been 12 deaths in the last 9 days following 15 days with no deaths. The death rate will rise as cases rise. There has been in excess of 1000 new cases in Wales in the last 3 days. This compares to 36 in the 3 day period from 11 August. This is the reason we are now having deaths when previously we didnt and it will rise further in the coming weeks.
There is no in between. It is one way or the other. One route prevents deaths and people suffering serious illnesses. The other doesnt and leads to lockdowns all over the UK leading to a collapse of confidence. You might choose the second. I believe we should choose the first. |  | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 13:22 - Sep 26 with 1283 views | onehunglow |
Thanks Killy. He was a great bloke and knew him 35 years. Couldnt go to to his funeral .Folks,trust me,this virus can take anyone. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 13:30 - Sep 26 with 1276 views | Neath_Jack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 12:44 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
No I dont accept that. The other countries in the world that have locked borders are in a far better position. When you say balancing risk look at the facts. We have been trying to balance risk and it hasnt worked. It hasnt worked in Wales, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, France and Spain to name a few that have tried to do it. If the virus is somewhere it just escalates and that is what is happening in these countries. The result of doing that has led to lockdowns throughout the UK. Look at the number of places in lockdown now in the UK. This means fewer people will use public transport and visit shops. People wont go out if they live in fear. As I posted nursing homes have closed and people are afraid to go to hospital for fear of catching the virus. I have been there myself.
There are 2 basic options. 1 is to follow your course of action. This leads to increased cases and eventually deaths. The other is to look at countries who have followed the course I suggest. They have kept deaths and cases to a minimum. They are able to have public transport and shops working more normally as the people there do not have the same fear as here. There has been 12 deaths in the last 9 days following 15 days with no deaths. The death rate will rise as cases rise. There has been in excess of 1000 new cases in Wales in the last 3 days. This compares to 36 in the 3 day period from 11 August. This is the reason we are now having deaths when previously we didnt and it will rise further in the coming weeks.
There is no in between. It is one way or the other. One route prevents deaths and people suffering serious illnesses. The other doesnt and leads to lockdowns all over the UK leading to a collapse of confidence. You might choose the second. I believe we should choose the first. |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 15:32 - Sep 26 with 1232 views | Andy1300 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 23:35 - Sep 25 by Catullus |
Been here before, wearing masks isn't all about preventing infection. It reduces viral dose expelled into the surrounding environ by up to 80% so if someone does get infected, with a smaller viral load you will probably be less severely ill. Seeing as the death rate has dropped dramatically...well, you won't see it so why bother?
Another problem is testing, you have said we are testing more and indeed, more than elsewhere in Europe, so were these cases already there and are being discovered due to testing?
Still it's going around in circles.
Stay safe. |
Isn’t it obvious that the more tests you do, the more positive results you get? |  |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 15:42 - Sep 26 with 1222 views | Catullus |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 11:32 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
A friend of mine is in a nursing home.They reopened the nursing home for visiting outside weeks ago. Due to the increase in cases they have now stopped visiting.
I have just spoken to a mate of mine and both he and his wife have had it recently. He is now over it but his wife still has it and is a few days behind him as she caught it off him.
He just told me to be careful as it is a hell of a thing.
We could have avoided this had we been decisive like they have been in places like Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and Australia. |
You keep on saying we could have avoided it bu that's just not true, or at least not 100% provable.
We were always told toexpect a second wave, we were all warned to obey the rules. You always bring up the air bridges but most of the problems seem to stem from pubs and clubs and people not oibeying the rules.
This virus was always still there, lurking, waiting for it's chance and we gave it that chance. We have people ignoring the rules, we have wishy washy politicians who ask us not to do something, or to do something but won't even try and enforce the rules.
We were in lockdown longer than England and some people see that as pointless and maybe it was. I see devolution as part of the problem, we needed one set of rules across the Uk and politicians who would at least try to enforce rules. Even so we needed people to be responsible and that's where we failed. We, the people, we have let urselves down and instead of recognising that people blame the government. Not that the governments don't all deserve some stick but it's about time people took more responsibility for themselves too.
The rise in cases amongst younger people will (or possibly already has) start transferring to older people. People of all ages are being stupid and selfish. If people could be trusted to behave, to follow the rules, we could avoid these lockdowns and keep more businesses open. The longer this virus controls our lives the worse the long term effects will be. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 15:45 - Sep 26 with 1220 views | onehunglow |
Scottish students are now saying that it is "inhumane" to expect them NOT to go to pubs or parties this weekend.
With that attitude,we are screwed.
The world it seems is unable to conform;in fact may do not want to conform and call it human rights abuse. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 16:34 - Sep 26 with 1198 views | exhmrc1 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 15:42 - Sep 26 by Catullus |
You keep on saying we could have avoided it bu that's just not true, or at least not 100% provable.
We were always told toexpect a second wave, we were all warned to obey the rules. You always bring up the air bridges but most of the problems seem to stem from pubs and clubs and people not oibeying the rules.
This virus was always still there, lurking, waiting for it's chance and we gave it that chance. We have people ignoring the rules, we have wishy washy politicians who ask us not to do something, or to do something but won't even try and enforce the rules.
We were in lockdown longer than England and some people see that as pointless and maybe it was. I see devolution as part of the problem, we needed one set of rules across the Uk and politicians who would at least try to enforce rules. Even so we needed people to be responsible and that's where we failed. We, the people, we have let urselves down and instead of recognising that people blame the government. Not that the governments don't all deserve some stick but it's about time people took more responsibility for themselves too.
The rise in cases amongst younger people will (or possibly already has) start transferring to older people. People of all ages are being stupid and selfish. If people could be trusted to behave, to follow the rules, we could avoid these lockdowns and keep more businesses open. The longer this virus controls our lives the worse the long term effects will be. |
You say that it isnt provable but places like Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and New Zealand have had less deaths overall than the UK is having currently in a single day. surely that speaks for itself.
If you stop the virus getting in it cannot spread. You are then dealing only with cases already here and figures had been dropping for months.
When Johnson decided to open up our borders he decided certain countries were safe and people went there on holidays. Almost half those countries have been removed. In the meantime people went abroad and brought back the virus which has spread through people socialising in pubs and in homes.
This has created the second wave and once the virus comes in there are real problems it just spreads. Hopefully the lock down will help reduce it.
Blaenau Gwent, Newport, Bridgend, Llanelli and RCT has spread in both homes and pubs. The authorities are saying that pubs havent been the reason for the spread in Caerphilly and Cardiff. Swansea we dont really know although there were cases early on of people returning from abroad and it spread from there. I suspect that students may be a large part of the reason for the recent spread in Swansea but have seen nothing proving or disproving this. | | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 17:27 - Sep 26 with 1174 views | Andy1300 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 16:34 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
You say that it isnt provable but places like Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and New Zealand have had less deaths overall than the UK is having currently in a single day. surely that speaks for itself.
If you stop the virus getting in it cannot spread. You are then dealing only with cases already here and figures had been dropping for months.
When Johnson decided to open up our borders he decided certain countries were safe and people went there on holidays. Almost half those countries have been removed. In the meantime people went abroad and brought back the virus which has spread through people socialising in pubs and in homes.
This has created the second wave and once the virus comes in there are real problems it just spreads. Hopefully the lock down will help reduce it.
Blaenau Gwent, Newport, Bridgend, Llanelli and RCT has spread in both homes and pubs. The authorities are saying that pubs havent been the reason for the spread in Caerphilly and Cardiff. Swansea we dont really know although there were cases early on of people returning from abroad and it spread from there. I suspect that students may be a large part of the reason for the recent spread in Swansea but have seen nothing proving or disproving this. |
You forget one thing, it was already here!
We should have gone with herd immunity from the start and shielded the vulnerable | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 17:52 - Sep 26 with 1164 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 17:27 - Sep 26 by Andy1300 |
You forget one thing, it was already here!
We should have gone with herd immunity from the start and shielded the vulnerable |
Rubbish | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:32 - Sep 26 with 1144 views | exhmrc1 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 17:27 - Sep 26 by Andy1300 |
You forget one thing, it was already here!
We should have gone with herd immunity from the start and shielded the vulnerable |
In Early/Mid August our cases were really low and going down. That is fact. It had been going down since April. From that date onwards it has increased and it isnt a figment of imagination or due to increased testing. What happened in August that changed the pattern. We brought the opening of pubs and gyms in early August and people started going abroad after Johnson brought in the Air Bridges scheme. August is clearly the main time for holidays due to school holidays. People came back from abroad infected. There were 30 people from Zante alone and Wales then decided to stop the Air Bridges scheme with the Greek Islands and other places including Portugal. However by the time the Senydd brought this in people had already come in gone to pubs or others houses and the virus had started spreading and has continued to since so instead of having 8 in a day we have close on 400 in a day.
This is the reason for our problems. Because of this people have become more fearful and less likely to go out. Care homes are closing to visitors and hospitals will have to deal with increasing amounts of coronavirus and move staff from other areas to deal with it. This means other things have to be put off. Had we prevented this then other illnesses might not be put off but you and others fail to grasp this instead trying to make excuses for economic issues. | | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 19:13 - Sep 26 with 1127 views | Catullus |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 16:34 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
You say that it isnt provable but places like Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and New Zealand have had less deaths overall than the UK is having currently in a single day. surely that speaks for itself.
If you stop the virus getting in it cannot spread. You are then dealing only with cases already here and figures had been dropping for months.
When Johnson decided to open up our borders he decided certain countries were safe and people went there on holidays. Almost half those countries have been removed. In the meantime people went abroad and brought back the virus which has spread through people socialising in pubs and in homes.
This has created the second wave and once the virus comes in there are real problems it just spreads. Hopefully the lock down will help reduce it.
Blaenau Gwent, Newport, Bridgend, Llanelli and RCT has spread in both homes and pubs. The authorities are saying that pubs havent been the reason for the spread in Caerphilly and Cardiff. Swansea we dont really know although there were cases early on of people returning from abroad and it spread from there. I suspect that students may be a large part of the reason for the recent spread in Swansea but have seen nothing proving or disproving this. |
You keep on saying it but as others keep telling you, as well as me, the virus hadn't gone away, it was always still here and started to spread again when pubs reopened. It has spread mainly amongst younger people and those who didn't obey the rules.
It's very difficult to compare us with other countries with different cultures and demographics, apples and oranges. Otherwise I could take the other route and mention Sweden.
Just because we didn't know how many people had the virus , it didn't mean it wasn't there. Wehave been doing a lot of tests, demand went through the roof. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 20:33 - Sep 26 with 1103 views | exhmrc1 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 19:13 - Sep 26 by Catullus |
You keep on saying it but as others keep telling you, as well as me, the virus hadn't gone away, it was always still here and started to spread again when pubs reopened. It has spread mainly amongst younger people and those who didn't obey the rules.
It's very difficult to compare us with other countries with different cultures and demographics, apples and oranges. Otherwise I could take the other route and mention Sweden.
Just because we didn't know how many people had the virus , it didn't mean it wasn't there. Wehave been doing a lot of tests, demand went through the roof. |
We doubled the tests so should have doubled the cases and it is a hell of a lot more than that. Increasing the number of tests doesnt mean you get increases. You test people who think they might have system and doing that until the last week or so Swansea and Neath Port Talbot with the increased tests of under 1%. Over the last week it has rocketed because more of the people getting tested have it. Nothing to do with increased testing. There are just more cases in circulation.
The test, trace and protect people ask questions. From those replies they have been able to deduce a number of cases came back from overseas holidays. Those are the facts. They then went into pubs or private homes and it spread from there. That is the evidence from test, trace protect. How can this be made clearer.
There were a group of youngsters who came back from Zante. They came from Maesteg. They came back with the virus. On the night they returned they went to clubs and pubs in the town and it spread from there.
Vaughan Gething gave an example of a group of 3 guys coming back from Ibiza and how it had led to 13 being infected. It isnt only about pubs although they are part of the problem.
There was a case in Newport where people came back from abroad with it went to party then around the pubs so bringing it back led to the spread.
There were other cases elsewhere. Once it comes in then it spreads and that is what happened through pubs and parties at peoples homes. | | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 20:53 - Sep 26 with 1093 views | Andy1300 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 20:33 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
We doubled the tests so should have doubled the cases and it is a hell of a lot more than that. Increasing the number of tests doesnt mean you get increases. You test people who think they might have system and doing that until the last week or so Swansea and Neath Port Talbot with the increased tests of under 1%. Over the last week it has rocketed because more of the people getting tested have it. Nothing to do with increased testing. There are just more cases in circulation.
The test, trace and protect people ask questions. From those replies they have been able to deduce a number of cases came back from overseas holidays. Those are the facts. They then went into pubs or private homes and it spread from there. That is the evidence from test, trace protect. How can this be made clearer.
There were a group of youngsters who came back from Zante. They came from Maesteg. They came back with the virus. On the night they returned they went to clubs and pubs in the town and it spread from there.
Vaughan Gething gave an example of a group of 3 guys coming back from Ibiza and how it had led to 13 being infected. It isnt only about pubs although they are part of the problem.
There was a case in Newport where people came back from abroad with it went to party then around the pubs so bringing it back led to the spread.
There were other cases elsewhere. Once it comes in then it spreads and that is what happened through pubs and parties at peoples homes. |
Out of interest, any of those people in hospital or dead? | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 08:37 - Sep 27 with 1030 views | Scotia |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 20:33 - Sep 26 by exhmrc1 |
We doubled the tests so should have doubled the cases and it is a hell of a lot more than that. Increasing the number of tests doesnt mean you get increases. You test people who think they might have system and doing that until the last week or so Swansea and Neath Port Talbot with the increased tests of under 1%. Over the last week it has rocketed because more of the people getting tested have it. Nothing to do with increased testing. There are just more cases in circulation.
The test, trace and protect people ask questions. From those replies they have been able to deduce a number of cases came back from overseas holidays. Those are the facts. They then went into pubs or private homes and it spread from there. That is the evidence from test, trace protect. How can this be made clearer.
There were a group of youngsters who came back from Zante. They came from Maesteg. They came back with the virus. On the night they returned they went to clubs and pubs in the town and it spread from there.
Vaughan Gething gave an example of a group of 3 guys coming back from Ibiza and how it had led to 13 being infected. It isnt only about pubs although they are part of the problem.
There was a case in Newport where people came back from abroad with it went to party then around the pubs so bringing it back led to the spread.
There were other cases elsewhere. Once it comes in then it spreads and that is what happened through pubs and parties at peoples homes. |
A genuine question exhmrc, have you ever been to Ibiza, Zante or New Zealand? | | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 08:56 - Sep 27 with 1023 views | Fireboy2 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 20:53 - Sep 26 by Andy1300 |
Out of interest, any of those people in hospital or dead? |
For a clever bloke I'm quite surprised you came out with that. |  | | |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 10:01 - Sep 27 with 996 views | exhmrc1 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 08:37 - Sep 27 by Scotia |
A genuine question exhmrc, have you ever been to Ibiza, Zante or New Zealand? |
No but I have been to Singapore and Australia which have low rates also. Drakeford's reply based on test, trace and protect tells it as it is.
WalesOnline: A second wave and resurgence of the virus was feared in winter, but it seems to have started earlier. Why do you think this is? Was it schools reopening?
Mark Drakeford: I think it is right to say that it was earlier than expected or modelled. There are a couple of other things we know of: people coming back from abroad with the virus is one and there is also the level of household mixing.
August bank holiday, I think, was something to do with it. Over that bank holiday weekend, when the weather was very good, people would get together and we would see levels of household transmission beginning to take off.
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:24 - Sep 27 with 932 views | Neath_Jack |
Neath Port Talbot with 8 infections today, so they impose these extra restrictions.
They're heads have truly gone now | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:50 - Sep 27 with 915 views | Slugster664 |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 14:15 - Sep 25 by Highjack |
The virus has obviously skipped Neath because they know how hard we all are here. |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:51 - Sep 27 with 914 views | Flashberryjack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:24 - Sep 27 by Neath_Jack |
Neath Port Talbot with 8 infections today, so they impose these extra restrictions.
They're heads have truly gone now |
That is an absolute joke decision.
They were keeping a close eye on Neath & Port Talbot when there were 19 new cases, infection rate drops to 8 and they impose a lockdown, where is the logic in that ? |  |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:54 - Sep 27 with 913 views | Neath_Jack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:51 - Sep 27 by Flashberryjack |
That is an absolute joke decision.
They were keeping a close eye on Neath & Port Talbot when there were 19 new cases, infection rate drops to 8 and they impose a lockdown, where is the logic in that ? |
Drakeford doesn't do logic (teaser for the taxman as I'm sure he has a word alarm).
I honestly think they have lost their minds now, they have no idea whether to twist or stick.
And they wonder why some people take no notice of their advice. | |
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| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:56 - Sep 27 with 905 views | Flashberryjack |
| Here we go, Swansea in lockdown on 18:54 - Sep 27 by Neath_Jack |
Drakeford doesn't do logic (teaser for the taxman as I'm sure he has a word alarm).
I honestly think they have lost their minds now, they have no idea whether to twist or stick.
And they wonder why some people take no notice of their advice. |
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