| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle 15:47 - Jan 9 with 6014 views | meeee |
For anyone who doesn't know the Sheffield Wednesday owner has offered the supporters the chance to refund their season tickets for the remaining games. The conditions of the refund are a ban from purchasing all future season tickets and membership applications and forfeit of accrued loyalty points. I find this absolutely staggering that a club would offer this and why any fan would accept this, you buy a season ticket in the hope of success, not guaranteed success. Then if Sheffield Wednesday start playing well again the fans who got a refund will inevitably want to come back and the club will be turning money away so it doesn't even make sense from a business point of view. All this has done is divide the fan base into people who have taken the refund and people that haven't with both sets abusing each other, it's madness. How clubs can get the PR so badly wrong is baffling to me, not that we are immune from the odd PR nightmare like the DJ situation |  | | |  |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 16:22 - Jan 9 with 5924 views | SuddenLad |
Seems to me that this is probably a head-on response to whingers and moaners. Sheffield Wenesday have had a rough time of it of late and there will inevitably be those who are vociferous in their condemnation of the Board and the manager. 'Not buying another season ticket' 'Not coming again, whilst he's in charge' Won't be back as long as he's Chairman. All the usual tripe that gets trotted out when a club is in a rut.
The owner has probably said, "OK, we hear you. Enough grief, thank you. If you don't like it f... off, here's your money back, but don't EVER come back. Take your money and shove it.
By choosing that option, supporters do so in the knowledge that they will be refused all future purchases of tickets, so will effectively be ending their attendance at matches. Permanently.
They will presumably either put up, or shut up. All clubs have detractors. Not all Chairman meetit in such a confrontational manner, but sometimes moaning is seemingly counter-productive.
What a mess they've all got themselves into. |  |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 17:22 - Jan 9 with 5780 views | RAFCBLUE |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 16:22 - Jan 9 by SuddenLad |
Seems to me that this is probably a head-on response to whingers and moaners. Sheffield Wenesday have had a rough time of it of late and there will inevitably be those who are vociferous in their condemnation of the Board and the manager. 'Not buying another season ticket' 'Not coming again, whilst he's in charge' Won't be back as long as he's Chairman. All the usual tripe that gets trotted out when a club is in a rut.
The owner has probably said, "OK, we hear you. Enough grief, thank you. If you don't like it f... off, here's your money back, but don't EVER come back. Take your money and shove it.
By choosing that option, supporters do so in the knowledge that they will be refused all future purchases of tickets, so will effectively be ending their attendance at matches. Permanently.
They will presumably either put up, or shut up. All clubs have detractors. Not all Chairman meetit in such a confrontational manner, but sometimes moaning is seemingly counter-productive.
What a mess they've all got themselves into. |
It's a good put up or shut up argument from the Chairman.
He's looking at the big picture of getting into the Premier League and getting his hands on £170m - £290m of the next three seasons.
In that context, a few hundred refunded season tickets is a pittance (£50,000?). The fans think they deserve better having got to the playoffs last season.
The fans concerned who get their money back forgo any chance of a Premier League season ticket and in giving up their loyalty points realistically any chance of watching Wednesday should they get back in the Premier League.
You'd have to be seriously hacked off with your club to need the money back on those terms which is why its a storm in a teacup.
If you've watched Wednesday since they were relegated from the Premier League another few seasons isn't going to make a difference. |  |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 17:34 - Jan 9 with 5741 views | SuddenLad |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 17:22 - Jan 9 by RAFCBLUE |
It's a good put up or shut up argument from the Chairman.
He's looking at the big picture of getting into the Premier League and getting his hands on £170m - £290m of the next three seasons.
In that context, a few hundred refunded season tickets is a pittance (£50,000?). The fans think they deserve better having got to the playoffs last season.
The fans concerned who get their money back forgo any chance of a Premier League season ticket and in giving up their loyalty points realistically any chance of watching Wednesday should they get back in the Premier League.
You'd have to be seriously hacked off with your club to need the money back on those terms which is why its a storm in a teacup.
If you've watched Wednesday since they were relegated from the Premier League another few seasons isn't going to make a difference. |
Be interesting to see how many really mean what they say and how many take up the 'offer'. | |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 18:26 - Jan 9 with 5636 views | pioneer |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 17:34 - Jan 9 by SuddenLad |
Be interesting to see how many really mean what they say and how many take up the 'offer'. |
very much doubt it would be legally enforceable. If you put something on sale you cannot pick and choose who you let purchase. And there would be so manyways around it anyway....get your buddy to buy it for you being one.
Another football owner with his head up his ..... |  | | |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 18:46 - Jan 9 with 5583 views | SuddenLad |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 18:26 - Jan 9 by pioneer |
very much doubt it would be legally enforceable. If you put something on sale you cannot pick and choose who you let purchase. And there would be so manyways around it anyway....get your buddy to buy it for you being one.
Another football owner with his head up his ..... |
You can sell what you want to who want and refuse to sell it those who you choose. That's perfectly legal.
I agree that it is entirley unenforceable and that the whole fiasco shows up the club in a dreadful light, but with so many supporters, the 'no sell' rule is unlikely to have any real effect.
Poorly thought out and dreadfully executed. | |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 03:59 - Jan 10 with 5343 views | pioneer |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 18:46 - Jan 9 by SuddenLad |
You can sell what you want to who want and refuse to sell it those who you choose. That's perfectly legal.
I agree that it is entirley unenforceable and that the whole fiasco shows up the club in a dreadful light, but with so many supporters, the 'no sell' rule is unlikely to have any real effect.
Poorly thought out and dreadfully executed. |
So he could refuse to sell season tickets to muslims, for example, if he so chose?
What is the country coming to if thatis the case? | | | |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 10:08 - Jan 10 with 5149 views | SuddenLad |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 03:59 - Jan 10 by pioneer |
So he could refuse to sell season tickets to muslims, for example, if he so chose?
What is the country coming to if thatis the case? |
Yes. But not BECAUSE they are Muslims. A pub licensee can refuse to serve anyone, without giving them a reason. Any shopkeeper can do the same. There is no such thing as a 'right to buy'. | |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 11:52 - Jan 10 with 5060 views | rochdaleriddler |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 10:08 - Jan 10 by SuddenLad |
Yes. But not BECAUSE they are Muslims. A pub licensee can refuse to serve anyone, without giving them a reason. Any shopkeeper can do the same. There is no such thing as a 'right to buy'. |
A shop or business doesn't have to sell to you, but cannot be discriminatory. That would be illegal |  |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 12:36 - Jan 10 with 5031 views | SuddenLad |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 11:52 - Jan 10 by rochdaleriddler |
A shop or business doesn't have to sell to you, but cannot be discriminatory. That would be illegal |
Exactly. | |
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| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 16:12 - Jan 10 with 4896 views | pioneer |
Would refusing to sell to only those folks who had asked for their money back be discrimination? | | | |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 16:47 - Jan 10 with 4844 views | rochdale_ranger |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 03:59 - Jan 10 by pioneer |
So he could refuse to sell season tickets to muslims, for example, if he so chose?
What is the country coming to if thatis the case? |
Iz it coz I is a wednesday fan? |  | | |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 17:05 - Jan 10 with 4821 views | D_Alien |
| The Sheffield Wednesday season ticket debacle on 16:12 - Jan 10 by pioneer |
Would refusing to sell to only those folks who had asked for their money back be discrimination? |
No, because he offered them a choice, of asking for their money back or not, with t&cs attached
Discrimination is surely only where an individual has no choice, such as their ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability or in the case of religion, a status which would be deemed non-negotiable |  |
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