| Tower Bridge incident 22:39 - Jun 3 with 20958 views | biggar |
Reports of an incident on Tower Bridge. Similar to Westminster. Fingers crossed all are ok. |  | | |  |
| Tower Bridge incident on 15:07 - Jun 5 with 2302 views | londonlisa2001 |
Lots of politicising of these horrific incidents on both sides.
For what it's worth, I think there is an element of truth in both camps being spun together with a whole range of false extrapolation and misinformation.
It is obvious that Corbyn is deeply wary, and probably instinctively against, any policy that can be seen in any way to target minority groups in this country. That includes 'shoot to kill' and also a great deal of the extant terror legislation and the Prevent Strategy. However, I have no doubt whatsoever that he would fully support police officers shooting and killing terrorists on the rampage through one of our towns or cities, no doubt at all.
So his attitude on shoot to kill is irrelevant in this scenario, and is simply a political tool being used by the 'right' including the Tory party, aided by the Tory supporting media.
However, the issue on police numbers is similarly a political tool being used by the 'left' aided and abetted by self interest from the Police Federation. Firstly, the response time to the attack was 2 minutes. From report to all 3 being killed was 8 minutes. Are those saying it's the fault of police cuts really saying that those figures could in anyway have been improved? To have fully armed police on site in 2 minutes? Really? So we're left with the issue of whether people of interest have slipped through a net because of police numbers. Again, this seems unlikely to have caused the issue. The branch of the police that deals with such reports has actually seen an increase in its numbers not a decrease. Decreased numbers overall have happened as a result of automation, computerisation, the increased use of PCSOs and the reduction of community policing. All sorts of crimes have probably increased as a result. Petty theft, mugging, we have a spate here of people on mopeds nicking stuff from pedestrians. All sorts. But monitoring of terror suspects?
I don't agree with the level of police cuts. I personally feel safer with more police out and about on community policing issues. I also think that the police and other emergency services did a phenomenal job on Saturday - truly heroic. But I can't help feel that two cases have come up where the public are saying they reported these people as dangerous, and somehow they've been able to slip through the net and the Police Federation have a vested interest in blaming that on politicians rather than have fingers pointed at their members.
So there are elements of truth, but a lot of crap as well.
And actually what should happen, is party politics should be set aside, as this is a matter of national security. And they should all say 'this is too important to score points - all of us will sit down and discuss what we all think is the best way forward on this together with every expert we can't find. And we'll come up with a joint strategy.'
Anyone from either side looking for people to blame need to blame the evil little sh*ts that did this. Not politicians. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:09]
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| Tower Bridge incident on 15:39 - Jun 5 with 2246 views | BytholWyn |
Although you make some excellent points Lisa, and I agree it would be great for this whole debate to be de-politicised (and in a week that may be a realistic possibility), you seem to imply by talking about increasing use of PCSOs, that their numbers have increased. Nothing could be further from the truth.
If this report (albeit from a UNISON officer - but I can't imagine he would make up the figures) is to believed PCSO numbers have reduced by 38%. That's a huge reduction - and it would be very difficult to argue that such a reduction in the front-line, community interfacing element of the police service would not have an impact on intelligence gathering and community relations. Whether it would have impacted on the specific incidents recently is another matter entirely of course.
I don't trust May or Corbyn, but with May having made such an issue out of leadership in this campaign the facts around her tenure in the Home Office make for very uncomfortable reading.
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| Tower Bridge incident on 15:42 - Jun 5 with 2240 views | ploppy |
| Tower Bridge incident on 17:48 - Jun 4 by Headmaster |
I know. The difference is Labour, in their manifesto, has said they will ban all arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Whether they would actually do that is another thing. The Cons, on the other hand, defend the relationship with the Saudis because it's "good business".
I'd rather have a Labour government that would move towards reducing support for the Saudis than a Conservative government that ignores the problem of continued extremism in the name of business.
Again, this is a very good read: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inqu |
You only ever seem to quote the liberal/left wing media. Why is that?
In the real world - Labour would never ban all arms sales to Saudi Arabia, so the point is moot.
The contents of the report may prove politically as well as legally sensitive
I'd add that it may be sensitive from a national security point of view. We (the public) are not allowed, and shouldn't be allowed, to know everything. As a matter of principle, I'm happy with that. | | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 15:48 - Jun 5 with 2233 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Tower Bridge incident on 15:39 - Jun 5 by BytholWyn |
Although you make some excellent points Lisa, and I agree it would be great for this whole debate to be de-politicised (and in a week that may be a realistic possibility), you seem to imply by talking about increasing use of PCSOs, that their numbers have increased. Nothing could be further from the truth.
If this report (albeit from a UNISON officer - but I can't imagine he would make up the figures) is to believed PCSO numbers have reduced by 38%. That's a huge reduction - and it would be very difficult to argue that such a reduction in the front-line, community interfacing element of the police service would not have an impact on intelligence gathering and community relations. Whether it would have impacted on the specific incidents recently is another matter entirely of course.
I don't trust May or Corbyn, but with May having made such an issue out of leadership in this campaign the facts around her tenure in the Home Office make for very uncomfortable reading.
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Sorry bythol - I meant reliance for community policing rather than overall numbers which I believe have fallen.
As an example - our community policing team used to be 4 police officers and 1 PCSO. It's now 2 police officers and 2 PCSOs.
Your point re overall numbers for PCSOs is a good one. As I said, I think the cuts to community policing have gone way further than I would like. | | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:48 - Jun 7 with 2102 views | dailew |
Another body found.
Meanwhile
"Evidence suggests that one of the London attackers, Rachid Redouane, was part of the broad UK-backed covert strategy to oust Syria’s Assad, following his similar role in Libya in 2011."
What a fücked up country. A covert strategy? The govt seems more concerned with some globalist agenda than it's primary concern of looking after its own citizens.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/update-a-london-attackers-links-to-uk-covert-o |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 14:07 - Jun 7 with 2081 views | Lohengrin |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:48 - Jun 7 by dailew |
Another body found.
Meanwhile
"Evidence suggests that one of the London attackers, Rachid Redouane, was part of the broad UK-backed covert strategy to oust Syria’s Assad, following his similar role in Libya in 2011."
What a fücked up country. A covert strategy? The govt seems more concerned with some globalist agenda than it's primary concern of looking after its own citizens.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/update-a-london-attackers-links-to-uk-covert-o |
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
Ron Paul |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 14:12 - Jun 7 with 2072 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Tower Bridge incident on 14:07 - Jun 7 by Lohengrin |
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
Ron Paul |
Absolutely correct. That's more like it Loh  |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 19:16 - Jun 7 with 2029 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Tower Bridge incident on 14:07 - Jun 7 by Lohengrin |
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
Ron Paul |
Pretty sure you cant blame bankers for the wars in the 13th and 14th century, particularly the one which lasted over 100 years. |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:14 - Jun 8 with 1987 views | dailew |
In about a decade's time half the kids born in London will be to Muslim parents.
London is so fooked. It will be like a third world shithole in just a few decades.
Anybody with any sense would get out now. | |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:18 - Jun 8 with 1978 views | waynekerr55 |
| Tower Bridge incident on 09:14 - Jun 8 by dailew |
In about a decade's time half the kids born in London will be to Muslim parents.
London is so fooked. It will be like a third world shithole in just a few decades.
Anybody with any sense would get out now. |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:20 - Jun 8 with 1968 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Tower Bridge incident on 14:07 - Jun 7 by Lohengrin |
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
Ron Paul |
Now we're talking. And shows no sign of abating. |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:23 - Jun 8 with 1961 views | dailew |
| Tower Bridge incident on 09:20 - Jun 8 by Jack_Meoff |
Now we're talking. And shows no sign of abating. |
Lot of time for Ron Paul.
Not on his views on UHC. He's very much agin it.
At least he's consistent in his libertarian views. Against the Iraq war etc. | |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:51 - Jun 8 with 1931 views | Brynmill_Jack |
If it's against the central banking system worldwide yes. But I'm no libertarian ! | |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 09:53 - Jun 8 with 1928 views | dickythorpe |
| Tower Bridge incident on 09:14 - Jun 8 by dailew |
In about a decade's time half the kids born in London will be to Muslim parents.
London is so fooked. It will be like a third world shithole in just a few decades.
Anybody with any sense would get out now. |
It's been a s%ithole of arseholes for years mun! |  | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 10:00 - Jun 8 with 1918 views | dailew |
| Tower Bridge incident on 09:53 - Jun 8 by dickythorpe |
It's been a s%ithole of arseholes for years mun! |
Not IMHO.
Great city and love it. Lived there many years.
Love the multicultural side of it. Pity to see it dominated by one ideology. An anti-western, misogynist, homophobic ideology.
It's already the most homophobic part of the UK. Not sure people realize how fast things are changing.
Get out now. When panic sets in there is never enough exits, or something.
No need to thank me. | |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 13:06 - Jun 8 with 1878 views | dickythorpe |
Who the feck is the stupid kent who gave the cars parking tickets? | | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:10 - Jun 8 with 1877 views | jack2jack |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:06 - Jun 8 by dickythorpe |
Who the feck is the stupid kent who gave the cars parking tickets? |
Innit, they have apologised mind, so that's ok  |  | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:13 - Jun 8 with 1874 views | dickythorpe |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:10 - Jun 8 by jack2jack |
Innit, they have apologised mind, so that's ok |
It should be a public apology and a P45, what a clueless kent!!!! | | | |
| Tower Bridge incident on 17:18 - Jun 8 with 1836 views | monmouth |
| Tower Bridge incident on 13:13 - Jun 8 by dickythorpe |
It should be a public apology and a P45, what a clueless kent!!!! |
The power of bonuses and indoctrination. He or she will have thought it was Christmas. |  |
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| Tower Bridge incident on 20:23 - Jun 8 with 1794 views | morningstar |
| Tower Bridge incident on 07:00 - Jun 5 by skippyjack |
You see this 'internet thing'..
We have the capability to monitor all 'computer' related devices.. 'actively watch people browse on their computer from another location'
With this 'genius' piece of technology that's been around for about 20 years now.. could be absolutely vital in catching and incarcerating Islamic Extremists in the uk who sign up to specific websites that are run from libiya and syria to join the ISIS brotherhood.
But due to a liberal law amendment in the last 15 years.. the security services are not allowed to snoop on raging terrorists actively wanting to kill people, and spread the word of Jihad in case it 'offends' them.. and stops their 'human rights'.
But if a pedophile for instance has been snooping on child pornography sites.. he's pretty much arrested in a few months.
But there's a bigger picture to all of this nonsense anyway.. money is the obvious factor.. obviously.
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"But due to a liberal law amendment in the last 15 years.. the security services are not allowed to snoop on raging terrorists actively wanting to kill people, and spread the word of Jihad in case it 'offends' them.. and stops their 'human rights'."
Tell us more!........No i take that back. Please don't! |  |
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