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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 10:58 - Sep 22 by Northernr
Agree with this, if you're not happy just sack him. Last September/October/November was a right horrible mess and we only really started recovering from it around March by which time the season was over.
The thing is Tony just doesn't seem to act like that. He likes to be seen to be someone who puts trust in people, even, it seems, beyond the point when he should. He preaches stability and doesn't want to come off like some impatient Italian chairman.
So if all that's true, and that's the setup we're in, I'd rather he did something he feels comfortable with to help our situation, which could be the McLaren thing.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 13:08 - Sep 22 with 2017 views
Always thought McClaren was a good coach but a poor manager. So, if he's coming back in a coaching role I'd be happy as the team could do with a lift. Coming back in any sort of standby or heir apparent role would just undermine JFH and be detrimental to the team imo.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 13:20 - Sep 22 with 2002 views
Hmm, no quotes in that article, not even "A source close to the club said..." type statements. Let's see if it's actually true.
It might be "exclusive" because it's untrue. A quick search on Twitter indicates no other source is corroborating (whatever the heck that means) The Sun's story.
RFA (Standing by to be proven 100% wrong)
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:10 - Sep 22 with 1962 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 12:55 - Sep 22 by PlanetHonneywood
I see more straw clutching than logic with that analysis amigo.
How do you logically explain the decision to give the poisoned chalice of a job to a 53 year old total novice, who so clearly lacked the characteristics to be a manager (which is more of a compliment than a slight)? Only to then go and offer the job on a permanent basis with a three year contract, after hardly showing the qualities required, and not see this as being more cronyism than illogical baffles me.
As I say, I think he's working with the youth but did I read he has a more overseeing coaching role. If that is the case, then it further feeds into my view about his retention being pal based then logical if prospective managers were expected to work with CR if they wanted the job.
As for the craving of a DiF, that was something called for as far back as August 2011 and grew as it became clear, TF hadn't a clue what he was doing. It segways into the other questions about; job spec, candidates and what basis was SLF offered the role over other candidates?
Upshot, logic is not something I readily associate with APR decision making since we entered the 21st century
[Post edited 22 Sep 2016 13:27]
"poisoned chalice, total novice, so clearly lacked the characteristics."
Load of florid exaggeration. Clearly not a novice. He hadn't done great in the Prem but he'd been dealt a poor hand and improved some players. Reason enough to try him out given the stated circumstances.
"As I say, I think he's working with the youth but did I read he has a more overseeing coaching role. If that is the case, then it further feeds into my view about his retention being pal based then logical if prospective managers were expected to work with CR if they wanted the job. "
It doesnt feed, you fed it in. I certainly would expect any manager to work with the head of player development or any other senior role - that's the job description.
"It segways into the other questions about; job spec, candidates and what basis was SLF offered the role over other candidates? "
We've been over this on the other thread. I have nothing further to add on it besides my hope that the owner of this Segway is accosted for dangerous driving immediately.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:31 - Sep 22 with 1933 views
Ah delightful. JFH can look forward to top level insight during matches that aren't going our way similar to that witnessed during the Iceland v England game! Keep watching...wait for it.....
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:10 - Sep 22 by rsonist
"poisoned chalice, total novice, so clearly lacked the characteristics."
Load of florid exaggeration. Clearly not a novice. He hadn't done great in the Prem but he'd been dealt a poor hand and improved some players. Reason enough to try him out given the stated circumstances.
"As I say, I think he's working with the youth but did I read he has a more overseeing coaching role. If that is the case, then it further feeds into my view about his retention being pal based then logical if prospective managers were expected to work with CR if they wanted the job. "
It doesnt feed, you fed it in. I certainly would expect any manager to work with the head of player development or any other senior role - that's the job description.
"It segways into the other questions about; job spec, candidates and what basis was SLF offered the role over other candidates? "
We've been over this on the other thread. I have nothing further to add on it besides my hope that the owner of this Segway is accosted for dangerous driving immediately.
No, you're right, he was an outstanding appointment and frankly, it seems incredulous that he and English football waited until he was in his 50s before making him an actual manager of an English club.
His managerial CV alone, must be an outstanding document and read like a template by which all future managerial appointments must be considered against, given all those years of actual, you know, managerial experience and unparalleled success. The corresponding job spec probably didn't have much on it then; 'take over perfection and be capable of handling a top-top quality outfit, well run from top to bottom...must have good knees!'
Of course, coming to QPR, the well drilled and successful unit we were at the time, made it easy. I am sure we look back at those rosy nee halcyon days in the full knowledge, even Jeremy Corbyn could not have failed to get the best out of the club at the time, so on message and behind the cause as each man was at QPR back then. In fact, Corbyn must envy the cohesion of QPR 2014/15 as he dodges the knives of the PLP. Blimey, it would be like asking Lewis Hamilton to drive you to the shops in a Rolls Royce I would imagine.
In fact, it was such an obvious appointment, I am surprised we managed to get him at all and why did we wait so long to to make his position permanent, is baffling. Especially as things had never been rosier at QPR, positively blooming it was.
The offer of a three year contract was a joke, it should have been more. I have no doubt that the nice amiable chap that he is, with those eager beavers in the dressing room responded so positively in the full knowledge that he had a wealth of cunning, guile and experience to handle their little larakin ways.
We looked wonderful under his stewardship and not once was there ever a remote suggestion that he was, unsuited to the job, clueless or incapable of handling the good ship QPR and all who sailed in her.
As for sacking him, well thank God we had the suits with the foresight to headhunt him for his new role.
In fact, we'll look back at CR's time as manager as one where we never had it so good.
Good times, good manager, good appointment nothing wrong at all, all perfect, as ever and up there with the prudent (and here I am not joking) decisions that appointed Stock, Sexton, Venables, Olly, and Warnock first time. Right man, right time, right on!
We need more well structured logical appointments like CR.
This segway driver apologises profusely, for running all over the roses in your garden of Eden, Utopia Drive, Nirvana.
You Sir, have won the argument and I duly concede: CR was the natural logical appointment and a brilliant no-brainer one at that.
[Post edited 22 Sep 2016 18:34]
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Are you done? Any more capricious drivel? Leave it to Disco next time, he's good at it.
I have not been saying CR was a great. I wasn't particularly confident when he got the job in fact - the warning signs were there. However, he wasn't a cast-iron certainty to be a failure either and he fit the job spec for the transitional role the club required. Les knew him, had faith in him (may I remind you that for whatever little it's worth CR has twenty years of coaching badges coming out of his backside - according to Les he was setting the bloody FA exams), and in the end put him out of his misery when the time came.
That is the logic of what happened and though it was unfortunate I find it understandable. Much more understandable than childish, swivel-eyed accusations of cronyism and parasites and whatever else is on the trumped-up boo boy agenda.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 20:22 - Sep 22 with 1628 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 18:34 - Sep 22 by PlanetHonneywood
No, you're right, he was an outstanding appointment and frankly, it seems incredulous that he and English football waited until he was in his 50s before making him an actual manager of an English club.
His managerial CV alone, must be an outstanding document and read like a template by which all future managerial appointments must be considered against, given all those years of actual, you know, managerial experience and unparalleled success. The corresponding job spec probably didn't have much on it then; 'take over perfection and be capable of handling a top-top quality outfit, well run from top to bottom...must have good knees!'
Of course, coming to QPR, the well drilled and successful unit we were at the time, made it easy. I am sure we look back at those rosy nee halcyon days in the full knowledge, even Jeremy Corbyn could not have failed to get the best out of the club at the time, so on message and behind the cause as each man was at QPR back then. In fact, Corbyn must envy the cohesion of QPR 2014/15 as he dodges the knives of the PLP. Blimey, it would be like asking Lewis Hamilton to drive you to the shops in a Rolls Royce I would imagine.
In fact, it was such an obvious appointment, I am surprised we managed to get him at all and why did we wait so long to to make his position permanent, is baffling. Especially as things had never been rosier at QPR, positively blooming it was.
The offer of a three year contract was a joke, it should have been more. I have no doubt that the nice amiable chap that he is, with those eager beavers in the dressing room responded so positively in the full knowledge that he had a wealth of cunning, guile and experience to handle their little larakin ways.
We looked wonderful under his stewardship and not once was there ever a remote suggestion that he was, unsuited to the job, clueless or incapable of handling the good ship QPR and all who sailed in her.
As for sacking him, well thank God we had the suits with the foresight to headhunt him for his new role.
In fact, we'll look back at CR's time as manager as one where we never had it so good.
Good times, good manager, good appointment nothing wrong at all, all perfect, as ever and up there with the prudent (and here I am not joking) decisions that appointed Stock, Sexton, Venables, Olly, and Warnock first time. Right man, right time, right on!
We need more well structured logical appointments like CR.
This segway driver apologises profusely, for running all over the roses in your garden of Eden, Utopia Drive, Nirvana.
You Sir, have won the argument and I duly concede: CR was the natural logical appointment and a brilliant no-brainer one at that.
[Post edited 22 Sep 2016 18:34]
You don't half waffle on mate!!!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 19:53 - Sep 22 by rsonist
Are you done? Any more capricious drivel? Leave it to Disco next time, he's good at it.
I have not been saying CR was a great. I wasn't particularly confident when he got the job in fact - the warning signs were there. However, he wasn't a cast-iron certainty to be a failure either and he fit the job spec for the transitional role the club required. Les knew him, had faith in him (may I remind you that for whatever little it's worth CR has twenty years of coaching badges coming out of his backside - according to Les he was setting the bloody FA exams), and in the end put him out of his misery when the time came.
That is the logic of what happened and though it was unfortunate I find it understandable. Much more understandable than childish, swivel-eyed accusations of cronyism and parasites and whatever else is on the trumped-up boo boy agenda.
At least disco is engaging .
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 12:19 - Sep 22 by onlyrinmoray
I agree Ramsey wasn't a good manager but he seems to be a good coach Steve McLaren isn't a good manager but a good coach, yet it is being talked about appointing him as the new manager ... crazy..and we have had a lot worse managers than Chris Ramsey
Rioch Harford both of them Hart Mullery Dowie Hughes
Dowie was statistically our best manager and IMHO if Ramsey had been allowed to develop his managerial skills he might have eventually been ok. Problem was our chairman saying "promotion is everything" when we didn't have the team or facilities to achieve it. Ramsey then went into panic mode using players based on their premiership credentials rather than their current ability or what he saw in training, which resulted in poorer results and the end of development of anything. We are now roughly where we were with Ramsey, but with JFH and worse results, so lets do it all again and take another step backwards. Or do we accept our club is so far from where it should be, that it takes time, patience, development of a proper team and stability to make progress.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 21:45 - Sep 22 with 1448 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 21:19 - Sep 22 by SomersetHoops
Dowie was statistically our best manager and IMHO if Ramsey had been allowed to develop his managerial skills he might have eventually been ok. Problem was our chairman saying "promotion is everything" when we didn't have the team or facilities to achieve it. Ramsey then went into panic mode using players based on their premiership credentials rather than their current ability or what he saw in training, which resulted in poorer results and the end of development of anything. We are now roughly where we were with Ramsey, but with JFH and worse results, so lets do it all again and take another step backwards. Or do we accept our club is so far from where it should be, that it takes time, patience, development of a proper team and stability to make progress.
Agreed. Really can't understand why so many people don't get this or refuse to get it.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 22:02 - Sep 22 with 1431 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 21:49 - Sep 22 by LongsufferingR
Agreed. Really can't understand why so many people don't get this or refuse to get it.
That's true, and to be fair to CR, changing targets a few games in was the height of stupidity from TF and that's a bloody great height as well.
Said it before, JFH probably needs another pre-season and the time to start judging him is this time next year. It's all about getting the best out of players and while that's not happening currently, do that and the rest will follow.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 21:49 - Sep 22 by LongsufferingR
Agreed. Really can't understand why so many people don't get this or refuse to get it.
Because it's comparing apples with pears.
Ramsey did not possess the credentials for the job and should never have been considered in he first place, let alone awarded a new contract. Not 1 club has expressed an interest in hiring him as manager since. Classic case of job for the boys.
JFH at least has some managerial grounding in the lower leagues, albeit there are question marks about whether he built that Burton team. He deserves a little more time but needs to start picking up points and improving performances soon.
McClaren is a proven coach but poor manager. My concern is that he still believes that he is management material and will use QPR as a stepping stone (again) to a new managerial role. If it's long-term stability and continuity we crave, then Steve is not the answer.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:24 - Sep 23 with 1291 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 00:26 - Sep 23 by Benny_the_Ball
Because it's comparing apples with pears.
Ramsey did not possess the credentials for the job and should never have been considered in he first place, let alone awarded a new contract. Not 1 club has expressed an interest in hiring him as manager since. Classic case of job for the boys.
JFH at least has some managerial grounding in the lower leagues, albeit there are question marks about whether he built that Burton team. He deserves a little more time but needs to start picking up points and improving performances soon.
McClaren is a proven coach but poor manager. My concern is that he still believes that he is management material and will use QPR as a stepping stone (again) to a new managerial role. If it's long-term stability and continuity we crave, then Steve is not the answer.
Someone had to offer Ramsey his first job in management. There are few more qualified coaches. It's not like we appointed someone like Roy Keane, Gary Neville or Tony Adams, all of whom got relatively high profile job with no real coaching experience of any kind.
We were never going up, or down last year. We took a low risk gamble and it didn't pay off, oh well.
For the record I do agree that a 3 year contract was strange, but if we structured it in a way that we could move him back into his current role then it was actually smart. Must be one of the top youth coaches in the division.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:47 - Sep 23 with 1271 views
..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 14:24 - Sep 23 by Match82
Someone had to offer Ramsey his first job in management. There are few more qualified coaches. It's not like we appointed someone like Roy Keane, Gary Neville or Tony Adams, all of whom got relatively high profile job with no real coaching experience of any kind.
We were never going up, or down last year. We took a low risk gamble and it didn't pay off, oh well.
For the record I do agree that a 3 year contract was strange, but if we structured it in a way that we could move him back into his current role then it was actually smart. Must be one of the top youth coaches in the division.
...also didn't notice too many saying we should never have appointed him when we were 2-0 up at Sunderland or 4-1 up at The Hawthorns.
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..and the Sun says.... Tony wants McClaren back on 21:43 - Sep 23 with 1173 views
Back to the OP. Surely Schteve was brought in as first-team coach with the approval of Harry, because Harry himself wasn't keen on coaching. There was no suggestion that Schteve was coming in to take over either as manager or as DoF. He was appointed just as a coach, and under his coaching the team got off to a really good start in the league, and played good football, which stood us in good stead and led to us limping over the line in the play-offs eight months later. I'd have him back as a coach like a shot.
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