| Gomis and the 80k a week - 08:03 - Jun 23 with 7181 views | Parlay |
Lots of people flabbergasted that we can or would pay so much.
This is a lad we were going to pay £10 million for last year and a reported 45k a week and not many batted an eyelid.
If we get him for free and pay him 80k a week over 3 years then we are essentially getting him for £5m and paying him 45k a week. Same situation as last year but for half price.
The only concern i have is the impact on the other players. But as professionals they must understand that someone who has taken a personal risk to run their contracts down will naturally be getting paid more as a result. Just the way it is. [Post edited 23 Jun 2014 10:07]
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:26 - Jun 23 with 1313 views | UplandsJack |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 12:50 - Jun 23 by Tom1912 |
It's not the financial outlay to Gomis that's the issue, it's the long term affects of giving a player a base salary that high.
Say Bony is still here at the end of next season and we try to re-negotiate his £40k (or whatever he's on) per week knowing Gomis is on a base salary of £75k, he's only going to want a higher figure.
You operate a wage structure to keep things in control. |
Exactly. And sorry for repeating myself but that's why I believe it will be split with a "signing on fee" of say £5million then a 3 yr contract of £45K per week (just example with figures). That then controls salary ceiling and if another player questions that it is easily explained as simple transfer/ purchase fee. End off!!! [Post edited 23 Jun 2014 13:37]
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:28 - Jun 23 with 1301 views | perchrockjack |
looks like the clib has wised up but some fans need to now.We are NOT small time or a small club ,if you wish. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:28 - Jun 23 with 1301 views | AnotherJohn |
I thought the suggestion was that we are using the big signing on fees to keep the base salary levels close to the existing ones? | | | |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:28 - Jun 23 with 1301 views | perchrockjack |
looks like the club has wised up but some fans need to now.We are NOT small time or a small club ,if you wish. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:35 - Jun 23 with 1278 views | UplandsJack |
This is the same way I think the club will negotiate with Ash. Signing on fee of say £3million then £45K per week wages over 3 yrs....
He'd be stupid/ ill advised not to take such an offer IMO .... [Post edited 23 Jun 2014 13:37]
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:51 - Jun 23 with 1249 views | Uxbridge |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 12:50 - Jun 23 by Tom1912 |
It's not the financial outlay to Gomis that's the issue, it's the long term affects of giving a player a base salary that high.
Say Bony is still here at the end of next season and we try to re-negotiate his £40k (or whatever he's on) per week knowing Gomis is on a base salary of £75k, he's only going to want a higher figure.
You operate a wage structure to keep things in control. |
Quite.
I'd much rather pay £5m to a player than £10m to his club, but that's rather separate to paying £80k a week either way. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:57 - Jun 23 with 1236 views | ItchySphincter |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 12:50 - Jun 23 by Tom1912 |
It's not the financial outlay to Gomis that's the issue, it's the long term affects of giving a player a base salary that high.
Say Bony is still here at the end of next season and we try to re-negotiate his £40k (or whatever he's on) per week knowing Gomis is on a base salary of £75k, he's only going to want a higher figure.
You operate a wage structure to keep things in control. |
Very much agree with this but there also comes a point where you either take a sh!t or get off of the pot. I think the reasoning may be that we sign top(ish) players on competitive salaries and if we can't renegotiate agreeable terms at the right time they move on, hopefully for a fee. A free transfer will never renegotiate better terms when it comes to renewal time so a good bit of the initial signing on fee will probably be recouped 24 months down the line, unless of course they are a raging success and resign on a lower wage. Win win. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:01 - Jun 23 with 1223 views | Uxbridge |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 13:57 - Jun 23 by ItchySphincter |
Very much agree with this but there also comes a point where you either take a sh!t or get off of the pot. I think the reasoning may be that we sign top(ish) players on competitive salaries and if we can't renegotiate agreeable terms at the right time they move on, hopefully for a fee. A free transfer will never renegotiate better terms when it comes to renewal time so a good bit of the initial signing on fee will probably be recouped 24 months down the line, unless of course they are a raging success and resign on a lower wage. Win win. |
Lots of hopefullys and probablys there.
The long-term future of this club is much more important than any marginal gains to be made in a particular season. If some of these signings endanger the long-term future of the club then they shouldn't be made. Period.
I do like this theory that others (not you as such) are making that the only sign of ambition is to sign players on ridiculous wages that can't possibly be afforded. It's not ambition, it's insanity. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:06 - Jun 23 with 1207 views | MattG |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:01 - Jun 23 by Uxbridge |
Lots of hopefullys and probablys there.
The long-term future of this club is much more important than any marginal gains to be made in a particular season. If some of these signings endanger the long-term future of the club then they shouldn't be made. Period.
I do like this theory that others (not you as such) are making that the only sign of ambition is to sign players on ridiculous wages that can't possibly be afforded. It's not ambition, it's insanity. |
This x 100. The Football League is littered with "ambitious" clubs. |  | | |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:08 - Jun 23 with 1206 views | ItchySphincter |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:01 - Jun 23 by Uxbridge |
Lots of hopefullys and probablys there.
The long-term future of this club is much more important than any marginal gains to be made in a particular season. If some of these signings endanger the long-term future of the club then they shouldn't be made. Period.
I do like this theory that others (not you as such) are making that the only sign of ambition is to sign players on ridiculous wages that can't possibly be afforded. It's not ambition, it's insanity. |
Personally I'm very much in the exercise caution camp, happy to be accused of lack of ambition rather than subscribe to boom or bust and it is the reason I believe that if we sign Gomis it will be funded by losing Bony, which would be a huge shame but I believe he would be a direct replacement if not quite like for like.
As for hopefullys and probablys, you are of course correct and one of the reasons it all remains such fun. Even the likes of Manure can't guarantee success by spending these days.  | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:14 - Jun 23 with 1187 views | tomdickharry |
Has Gomis arrived for talks yet? | | | |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:15 - Jun 23 with 1183 views | Uxbridge |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:08 - Jun 23 by ItchySphincter |
Personally I'm very much in the exercise caution camp, happy to be accused of lack of ambition rather than subscribe to boom or bust and it is the reason I believe that if we sign Gomis it will be funded by losing Bony, which would be a huge shame but I believe he would be a direct replacement if not quite like for like.
As for hopefullys and probablys, you are of course correct and one of the reasons it all remains such fun. Even the likes of Manure can't guarantee success by spending these days. |
It depends what the figures actually are. We need another striker so I don't see it as either/or, and if it is then for me it's an absolute no-brainer ... we must not sell.
I just think we can get carried away with the figures we get in the PL. We'll probably touch £100m in turnover soon enough, so from that perspective a marquee signing of £4m p.a. and a £5m signing on fee (for example) looks possible. Whether Gomis is a marquee signing is a good question in itself, but what is more important for me is that if we did get relegated you could at least half, or even more, our turnover. In that circumstance, a £4m salary when your wage budget isn't so much bigger than that looks a big hole. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:23 - Jun 23 with 1162 views | Parlay |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:06 - Jun 23 by MattG |
This x 100. The Football League is littered with "ambitious" clubs. |
It can be times a billion however nobody is suggesting we spend what we don't have or cant afford.
We have an income of £100m a year and bank 25% of that as profit AFTER spending about that again in transfers.
Its like a lottery winner not buying a car because people have regretted buying a car and had it repossessed before.
We make money to improve us as a club. If we are to scared to spend what we earn then what is the point in earning it? We may as well give up now. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:39 - Jun 23 with 1140 views | JackSomething |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:23 - Jun 23 by Parlay |
It can be times a billion however nobody is suggesting we spend what we don't have or cant afford.
We have an income of £100m a year and bank 25% of that as profit AFTER spending about that again in transfers.
Its like a lottery winner not buying a car because people have regretted buying a car and had it repossessed before.
We make money to improve us as a club. If we are to scared to spend what we earn then what is the point in earning it? We may as well give up now. |
Two years ago, our record transfer was £3.5m.
Since then, we have spent £5m, £5.5m, £5.55m and £12m on players.
I don't think we're scared to spend money to be fair. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:39 - Jun 23 with 1137 views | Uxbridge |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:23 - Jun 23 by Parlay |
It can be times a billion however nobody is suggesting we spend what we don't have or cant afford.
We have an income of £100m a year and bank 25% of that as profit AFTER spending about that again in transfers.
Its like a lottery winner not buying a car because people have regretted buying a car and had it repossessed before.
We make money to improve us as a club. If we are to scared to spend what we earn then what is the point in earning it? We may as well give up now. |
There's no £25m in the bank. Profit is a construct of the relevant accounting rules. Given that we recognise the TV money immediately but amortise the transfer fees for example, it's a slightly false picture.
The extra money has paid for Landore, the progress in Fairwood, the new shop, improvements to the stadium, the upgrades to the ticket office. It'll also pay for the stadium expansion and who knows what else. All these will last long into the future. These to me are much bigger priorities than spending it all on players. The club is already spending what it earns. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 15:58 - Jun 23 with 1054 views | MattG |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:23 - Jun 23 by Parlay |
It can be times a billion however nobody is suggesting we spend what we don't have or cant afford.
We have an income of £100m a year and bank 25% of that as profit AFTER spending about that again in transfers.
Its like a lottery winner not buying a car because people have regretted buying a car and had it repossessed before.
We make money to improve us as a club. If we are to scared to spend what we earn then what is the point in earning it? We may as well give up now. |
If you could treat every player individually, that view would be fine. The issue is when another player (or, worse, players) have clauses that tie their earnings to the top wage earners at the Club.
When that happens, a deal that might, at face value, appear quite reasonable can very quickly become unsustainable. | | | |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 16:04 - Jun 23 with 1038 views | Tom1912 |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 14:23 - Jun 23 by Parlay |
It can be times a billion however nobody is suggesting we spend what we don't have or cant afford.
We have an income of £100m a year and bank 25% of that as profit AFTER spending about that again in transfers.
Its like a lottery winner not buying a car because people have regretted buying a car and had it repossessed before.
We make money to improve us as a club. If we are to scared to spend what we earn then what is the point in earning it? We may as well give up now. |
How are we scared to spend?
We have spent a lot on infrastructure and continue to increase the amount we spend on transfer fees and wages. I expect we will continue to spend more and more on both those things.
It's not like we have a load of money sitting in the bank, waiting to be spent. | | | |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 16:04 - Jun 23 with 1036 views | Uxbridge |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 15:58 - Jun 23 by MattG |
If you could treat every player individually, that view would be fine. The issue is when another player (or, worse, players) have clauses that tie their earnings to the top wage earners at the Club.
When that happens, a deal that might, at face value, appear quite reasonable can very quickly become unsustainable. |
Even if no explicit clauses in place, the wages will become the new norm when we sign others or renew existing players. We've got a wage structure for a reason and there'd better be a good reason for ripping it up.
There might be some creative opportunities for signing-on fees but it's a bit hopeful to think we could keep those quiet. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 17:35 - Jun 23 with 980 views | monmouth |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 11:56 - Jun 23 by JackSomething |
Playing Devil's Advocate, but if 'nothing (money wise) slips through the net' with Huw, then how do we explain the payoff ML has received?
As Ux says, our board have done an amazing job, but we need to keep questioning when we feel it's necessary. I appreciate some go overboard and it's annoying, but better that than unquestioning obedience. |
I agree, but in terms of contracts I'm sure the club will know where it wants to go and where the line is. We don't have Tuntram and Laudstrop around any more after all.
My bigger worry would be that Gomis is just so obviously a money whore (I know they all are but he is a conspicuous case) and so I wonder if he'll have any stomach for it once he gets his contract or just punt around the place being billy big bollax. That is the area that the club could find very difficult to handle in my view as we try to transition from overachieving underdog to fully paid up premier midtable. Up and coming or underachieving underpaids is our area of expertise and competitive advantage in my view. This feels more of a QPR/Cardiff moment to me. Hope not.
It'll be interesting to see (if it comes off) how we handle something a bit different, although I bet Pablo is on a fair wedge in addition to Bony. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 18:06 - Jun 23 with 963 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 12:50 - Jun 23 by Tom1912 |
It's not the financial outlay to Gomis that's the issue, it's the long term affects of giving a player a base salary that high.
Say Bony is still here at the end of next season and we try to re-negotiate his £40k (or whatever he's on) per week knowing Gomis is on a base salary of £75k, he's only going to want a higher figure.
You operate a wage structure to keep things in control. |
Can we be sure that :-
1. He's demanding the equivalent of £75,000 a week?
2. Newcastle offered him £75,000 a week? |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 18:25 - Jun 23 with 943 views | aspas45 |
Any sightings pictures of gomis in swansea?? | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:12 - Jun 23 with 886 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 10:07 - Jun 23 by tomdickharry |
I've been saying the same thing for ages but nobody in the corridors of power on P Swans cares to do anything about it ie merged threads. |
And I've been telling you for ages that this useless forum doesn't have the functionality for the mods to merge threads. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:13 - Jun 23 with 882 views | Darran |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:12 - Jun 23 by exiledclaseboy |
And I've been telling you for ages that this useless forum doesn't have the functionality for the mods to merge threads. |
It's coming soon and more. |  |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:17 - Jun 23 with 863 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:13 - Jun 23 by Darran |
It's coming soon and more. |
Aye, along with unlimited clean fuel and the long awaited sequel to Gone With the Wind. | |
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| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:18 - Jun 23 with 860 views | Darran |
| Gomis and the 80k a week - on 20:17 - Jun 23 by exiledclaseboy |
Aye, along with unlimited clean fuel and the long awaited sequel to Gone With the Wind. |
Don't be daft they'll be here for the start of the new season. | |
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