| Shocking if true on 13:34 - Mar 5 with 1191 views | TacticalR |
It goes without saying that none of this applies to journalists who are QPR fans  |  |
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| Shocking if true on 13:35 - Mar 5 with 1188 views | WestbourneR |
Journalists, bankers and politicians get a lot of grief from people who
(a) neither know anything about what actually goes into doing their job (b) would probably do their jobs if anyone gave them the chance (c) would probably do it far worse if they did get the chance (d) like to moan at anyone without ever taking responsibility for their own lives.
The bleating idiots in the audience of Question Time are the same crowd that make cover all comments about journalists.
On the actual story - James Richardson on the Guardian football podcast said -
'I was sat next to several people from the QPR team on Saturday and they said that the way it was reported in the Mirror was pretty much the way it was in Dubai'.
Sounds pretty damming to me, not that it I really care what they did as long as they start winning. |  |
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| Shocking if true on 13:36 - Mar 5 with 1184 views | hoopstilidie |
| Shocking if true on 13:26 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
Oooooooo (extra tarty) please don't 'ban' me from having an opinion with your mean words.
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Only one of us doesn't allow opinions and it ain't me.
But then anybody that disagrees with you or has a consensus of opinion you don't agree with are mates aren't they?
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| Shocking if true on 13:36 - Mar 5 with 1182 views | TW_R |
| Shocking if true on 12:45 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
TW_R and hoopstilidie backing each other up? Well I never.
Can't stand the anti-journalist anti-media agenda that is so popular among people who've never worked in the industry. It seems to be commonly held idea that people who join 'the media' they instantly become immoral, manipulative monsters with two heads and a pact with the devil. |
Westbourne - you do seem to have a bit of an obsession with me and HTID. I think it's all a bit weird to be honest. Strangely enough on a message board where there's a couple of hundred members, some of them may agree with each other from time to time. It's hardly that shocking. I've probably agreed and disagreed with pretty much everyone on here one time or another. That's how MBs work, no?
The irony is I can remember you posting on a thread thanking another poster for backing you up!  |  | | |
| Shocking if true on 13:39 - Mar 5 with 1174 views | TheBlob |
Journalists tend to do what their(sometimes dodgy) editors tell them to do.
They're the real tarts in all this.
Bring back Arthur Christiansen. |  |
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| Shocking if true on 13:48 - Mar 5 with 1156 views | stansleftfoot |
Printed Journalism is in the last stages of total collapse, it's the Curries or HMV of media.
It's standards ethically have been dropping for twenty years as readers choose to shop elsewhere and a desperation for readers sets in.
The business model is fxxked, their readers are dying, and it will all be over in 10-15 years....the dying throws of sleeze, incompetent and ineffectual partisan reporting...good riddance....the only value of these newspapers is to voice the propoganda of political parties and how many people have interest in what they have to say.
Football Team on foreign trip, go on piss and stay up late and the Manager defends it by saying it's not true.....where is the story there?.....Roman Catholic priest abuses child..... FFS! what is new here? |  | | |
| Shocking if true on 13:55 - Mar 5 with 1135 views | WestbourneR |
TW_R - it was a light hearted reference. There seem to be a pattern of support, I thought you might be friends who swoop in to back each other up. I withdraw it.
As for HTID (I see you are on acronym terms) any moral high ground you thought you had you lost with your reply to me. There less than no difference between what you just said and my posts in the other thread. | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:01 - Mar 5 with 1118 views | simmo |
Is this thread still happening?! |  |
| ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead |
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| Shocking if true on 14:02 - Mar 5 with 1111 views | TW_R |
| Shocking if true on 13:55 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
TW_R - it was a light hearted reference. There seem to be a pattern of support, I thought you might be friends who swoop in to back each other up. I withdraw it.
As for HTID (I see you are on acronym terms) any moral high ground you thought you had you lost with your reply to me. There less than no difference between what you just said and my posts in the other thread. |
"There seem to be a pattern of support, I thought you might be friends who swoop in to back each other up. I withdraw it."
What, because we've agreed on a couple of threads in the last year that you happened not to agree with. It may be that on those couple of threads you were just wrong, no? | | | |
| Shocking if true on 14:06 - Mar 5 with 1104 views | JonDoeman |
| Shocking if true on 14:01 - Mar 5 by simmo |
Is this thread still happening?! |
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| Shocking if true on 14:19 - Mar 5 with 1086 views | hoopstilidie |
| Shocking if true on 13:55 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
TW_R - it was a light hearted reference. There seem to be a pattern of support, I thought you might be friends who swoop in to back each other up. I withdraw it.
As for HTID (I see you are on acronym terms) any moral high ground you thought you had you lost with your reply to me. There less than no difference between what you just said and my posts in the other thread. |
Moral high ground? What are you wittering about? I disagreed with you, get over it.
Tart. | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:26 - Mar 5 with 1063 views | daveB |
| Shocking if true on 13:35 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
Journalists, bankers and politicians get a lot of grief from people who
(a) neither know anything about what actually goes into doing their job (b) would probably do their jobs if anyone gave them the chance (c) would probably do it far worse if they did get the chance (d) like to moan at anyone without ever taking responsibility for their own lives.
The bleating idiots in the audience of Question Time are the same crowd that make cover all comments about journalists.
On the actual story - James Richardson on the Guardian football podcast said -
'I was sat next to several people from the QPR team on Saturday and they said that the way it was reported in the Mirror was pretty much the way it was in Dubai'.
Sounds pretty damming to me, not that it I really care what they did as long as they start winning. |
obviously not a chance these players have exaggerated the story a bit and these journalists and fallen for it. |  | | |
| Shocking if true on 14:27 - Mar 5 with 1064 views | TacticalR |
| Shocking if true on 14:01 - Mar 5 by simmo |
Is this thread still happening?! |
Yes, although we seemed to have...digressed  | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:36 - Mar 5 with 1048 views | WestbourneR |
TW_R I said I withdraw it.
HTID - you were bleating yesterday that I insult people and try and 'ban' them from having an opinion different to my own. Then you reply to my post today with 'shut up you tart'.
You're a simplistic hypocrite / tart. | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:41 - Mar 5 with 1034 views | hoopstilidie |
| Shocking if true on 14:36 - Mar 5 by WestbourneR |
TW_R I said I withdraw it.
HTID - you were bleating yesterday that I insult people and try and 'ban' them from having an opinion different to my own. Then you reply to my post today with 'shut up you tart'.
You're a simplistic hypocrite / tart. |
Look I shouldn't have called you a tart.
I'm sorry.
Trouble is it wouldn't let me call you a ****, censorship or something. | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:45 - Mar 5 with 1026 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Shocking if true on 17:55 - Mar 4 by hoopstilidie |
Well done.
Usual from you, somebody has a differing view so you get abusive.
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Dear HTID
I am very sorry if you found my last post there abusive. I was going for sarcastic and can't really see where I became abusive, but if you felt abused I'm sorry. (Your 'shut up you tart' above seems to make you something of a hypocrite, though - but let's move on).
Anyway, let's leave that aside - I genuinely apologise for being so sarcastic. But it's hard, you see, because at times you can be wilfully frustrating. On this thread you have had several reasonable, knowledgeable people (not talking about myself - I mean NW5 or Clive for example), trying to explain to you why this story is not just a load of made up stuff. Now I think we can all agree that some things have been exaggerated. They always are. We had people on here saying some players were 'excellent' after Saturday's win for example, which was nonsense (as Clive's ratings bear out - no one was above a 7/10). Dave B's suggestion that people are not accepting that elements of this story had been 'sexed up' is also untrue. I think we all have to take everything we read with a pinch of salt and try to look at any story objectively. But my problem with you is that you are sticking your fingers in your ears, poking your tongue out, closing your eyes and saying 'no no no it's all made up, all the quotes are fabricated, because Harry told us so.' Harry Redknapp!
Now, let's take a look at what the story actually says:
1. Training lasted 90 minutes and then players were left to their own devices. Even Harry has admitted this to be true: 'We worked the maximum, man for man, worked our socks for an hour and a half, every day.' Whether this is good or bad or whether other things could have been worked on outside of those 90 mins is up for debate. Personally, I can't believe more could not have been done - not on fitness but on tactical issues, or set plays, perhaps in the evenings.
2. “Then in the evening some players were out, until 3am, 4am, 5am — and then went to training at 8am. It was like a stag party. Some looked at it as if we had a five-day holiday. It wasn’t one or two of us. That’s the problem.” Again, no one has denied this. Harry said people went drinking but were always on time for training. Nowhere in the article does it say it was ALL the players or that it was EVERY night.
3. Another player said it was like a party - pool, shopping, drinking. Again, none of this has been denied. What is being said here is that at least some players thought that there should have been more discipline on the trip. Some players are angry that when we are in this much trouble, it's not a time to be partying - even while admitting they were culpable too.
4. Redknapp stayed in a different hotel with his wife. He has confirmed this. We can go round the houses here on whether that is acceptable or not - personally, I find it odd and Harry taking his wife out there and going to another hotel does make it seem as if this was a nice break for everyone on the club's dime. But others may feel differently - that's a matter of opinion and I respect both views. However, the fact that this is true clearly shows the interview has not been simply made up.
5. After training, which Harry didn't take (no problems there either, Harry has often left training to Jordan etc at all clubs he's been with them at) nothing was organised. Again, this has not been denied and again I find it strange that if this was a team-building trip why more group activities were not arranged.
6. One player says Harry was upset with the drinking when it went too far. Again, hardly a revelation and I expect all clubs out there had the same thing.
7. The players in the article believe they were not properly prepared for Man Utd. That is their opinion. The way we played suggest they may be right.
8. “There’s a feeling from some of us that other players don’t give a s***, that they’re just here for the money,” said the player, a regular starter. Some are going around saying they can’t wait for the end of the season so they can move. " It's very difficult to call this fabricated when Shaun Derry has been on Open All Rs saying something very, very similar, although more guardedly. He said something along the lines of being furious when he's watched players in our squad not pulling their weight. I've heard an interview with Clint Hill where he said the same. So I find it hard to believe this was made up.
9. “The manager is supposed to be the leader, but a lot of us think he’s going to leave in the summer as well. If that’s the case how is he going to get the players going?” Again - a sentiment expressed by a great many people on this board. I would say most of us think he'll go if we go down, so it's not beyond reason that players may feel ambiguous towards him, too.
10. “At the moment, the foreign players are in one section and the English players in another. There is not enough bonding, no Âatmosphere where we fight for each other." Again, this is not new. We've all suspected this. But of course all dressing rooms have their divisions, which are glossed over when things go well but can open up into chasms when things go badly. It was noticeable even on Sat how it was the French contingent who came over at the end to give their shirts to the fans and clap the fans, for example.
11. “During the January window he was barely there,” said one of the players. “A lot of us thought he was concentrating on trying to buy one or two players and forgetting about the 22 already here. Our problems aren’t going to be solved by one or two players. It’s a joke." Again, it's obvious this was the case. We all knew that. We don't blame Harry for trying to get new players in, but at the same time this kind of reaction seems only natural from the players we already have.
So, long, boring post, I know. But hopefully that explains a few things, HTID, and you can see what some of us mean on this thread. This isn't just a totally made up story, there may be exaggerations and actually we may 'over-read' the claims of drinking - the article never says *everyone* was out *every* night until 6am if you read it closely. So there is sensationalism there, but what you have here is a portrait of at least 3 players profoundly upset about how the club is being run and where it's going and angry about our performances and league position. Nothing in there is any different to what many of us already felt about the club and have expressed on these pages dozens of times over the last 12 months or more. I just can't see how you can just shut your eyes and say 'it's all fabrication.' It's not. It's just not.
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| Shocking if true on 14:46 - Mar 5 with 1027 views | WestbourneR |
TW_R I said I withdraw it.
HTID - you were bleating yesterday that I insult people and try and 'ban' them from having an opinion different to my own. Then you reply to my post today with 'shut up you tart'.
You're a simplistic hypocrite / tart. | |
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| Shocking if true on 14:50 - Mar 5 with 1011 views | hopphoops |
| Shocking if true on 13:48 - Mar 5 by stansleftfoot |
Printed Journalism is in the last stages of total collapse, it's the Curries or HMV of media.
It's standards ethically have been dropping for twenty years as readers choose to shop elsewhere and a desperation for readers sets in.
The business model is fxxked, their readers are dying, and it will all be over in 10-15 years....the dying throws of sleeze, incompetent and ineffectual partisan reporting...good riddance....the only value of these newspapers is to voice the propoganda of political parties and how many people have interest in what they have to say.
Football Team on foreign trip, go on piss and stay up late and the Manager defends it by saying it's not true.....where is the story there?.....Roman Catholic priest abuses child..... FFS! what is new here? |
Some print journalism is doing fine - people do pay to read things they believe and find interesting. they get other stuff free online. The ironic thing about this thread is that people whose livelihoods appear to depend on it can't seem to tell the difference. |  |
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| Shocking if true on 15:01 - Mar 5 with 998 views | NW5Hoop |
| Shocking if true on 14:50 - Mar 5 by hopphoops |
Some print journalism is doing fine - people do pay to read things they believe and find interesting. they get other stuff free online. The ironic thing about this thread is that people whose livelihoods appear to depend on it can't seem to tell the difference. |
Yeah, you're right. I know absolutely f*ck all about my own business. | | | |
| Shocking if true on 15:05 - Mar 5 with 993 views | hopphoops |
| Shocking if true on 15:01 - Mar 5 by NW5Hoop |
Yeah, you're right. I know absolutely f*ck all about my own business. |
Nor do I | |
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| Shocking if true on 15:24 - Mar 5 with 969 views | WestbourneR |
| Shocking if true on 14:41 - Mar 5 by hoopstilidie |
Look I shouldn't have called you a tart.
I'm sorry.
Trouble is it wouldn't let me call you a ****, censorship or something. |
I suppose you thought that last post had real impact you sad man.
I don't mind you abusing me at all - tart or starred out words.
What is irritating is you bleating to other posters about their abuse and then dishing it out.
eg. to Heinola -
'Well done.
Usual from you, somebody has a differing view so you get abusive'
You really are incredibly stupid.
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| Shocking if true on 15:33 - Mar 5 with 962 views | WestbourneR |
| Shocking if true on 14:41 - Mar 5 by hoopstilidie |
Look I shouldn't have called you a tart.
I'm sorry.
Trouble is it wouldn't let me call you a ****, censorship or something. |
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| Shocking if true on 15:37 - Mar 5 with 1438 views | NW5Hoop |
Can you lock this thread, Clive? There's nothing more to be gained here for anyone. | | | |
| Shocking if true on 15:45 - Mar 5 with 1418 views | HollowayRanger |
cant stand Journalists/press
never forgot how they hounded my neighbours out of town
bob hoskins and kate winslett
hoskins by printing his full address along with photo of house just after he did who framed roger rabbit
and kate when she was splitting from first husband there must have been 30 of the scumbags hanging outside her flat for over a week in the end she had to leave |  |
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| Shocking if true on 15:52 - Mar 5 with 1405 views | TW_R |
| Shocking if true on 15:45 - Mar 5 by HollowayRanger |
cant stand Journalists/press
never forgot how they hounded my neighbours out of town
bob hoskins and kate winslett
hoskins by printing his full address along with photo of house just after he did who framed roger rabbit
and kate when she was splitting from first husband there must have been 30 of the scumbags hanging outside her flat for over a week in the end she had to leave |
Well, although I agree with you that this is completely wrong, to be fair to journalists, these guys are mainly freelance photographers trying to get a photo to sell to various media outlets. | | | |
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