| That penalty decision 16:27 - Sep 22 with 11851 views | TFP |
Im sat behind the goal in the pearl street end and I'm incredulous about that penalty and red card. Are defenders not allowed to even brush an opponent with their shoulder? Hope we don't pay for it |  | | |  |
| That penalty decision on 20:23 - Sep 22 with 1406 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 20:21 - Sep 22 by phomem |
Fair enough I haven't seen the replay so will wait and see just retelling what I've been told. I wait for the highlights with interest |
OK, got the message.
Not having a go, just think the decision was wrong, wrong, fookin' wrong. |  |
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| That penalty decision on 20:24 - Sep 22 with 1402 views | phomem |
| That penalty decision on 20:23 - Sep 22 by judd |
OK, got the message.
Not having a go, just think the decision was wrong, wrong, fookin' wrong. |
Not having a go I posted it was a shocking decision early in this thread. Just passing on what I've been texted |  | | |
| That penalty decision on 20:28 - Sep 22 with 1391 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 20:24 - Sep 22 by phomem |
Not having a go I posted it was a shocking decision early in this thread. Just passing on what I've been texted |
No, I didn't think you were, I thought I may have been although I knew I wasn't but it could of been taken as having a go when I wasn't even though I knew you weren't having a go because of what you posted earlier so wouldn't have a go because we were agreeing really.
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| That penalty decision on 20:57 - Sep 22 with 1365 views | TalkingSutty |
Having seen the penalty on Sky, it seems quite clear that there was contact with the striker and McIntyre shoulder charged him and the player went down like a sack of s**t. The defender gave the striker the opportunity to go down and he accepted it.
Its obvious contact was made, not saying it was a penalty but i have seen them given for less. |  | | |
| That penalty decision on 21:03 - Sep 22 with 1350 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 20:57 - Sep 22 by TalkingSutty |
Having seen the penalty on Sky, it seems quite clear that there was contact with the striker and McIntyre shoulder charged him and the player went down like a sack of s**t. The defender gave the striker the opportunity to go down and he accepted it.
Its obvious contact was made, not saying it was a penalty but i have seen them given for less. |
Again, if there was a coming together it was the striker who went into McIntyre after he'd got the ball, form my memory of it. Seemed that Lillis took the guy down. | |
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| That penalty decision on 21:10 - Sep 22 with 1331 views | TalkingSutty |
| That penalty decision on 21:03 - Sep 22 by judd |
Again, if there was a coming together it was the striker who went into McIntyre after he'd got the ball, form my memory of it. Seemed that Lillis took the guy down. |
Having just consumed a botle of red my memory is now even fuzzier than normal but from the highlights on telly it seemed McIntyre collided into the forward prior to Lillis involvement.
Anyway i could have seen it completley wrong and will have another look tomorrow. It doesnt really matter either way, my initial thought at the time was that the lad was offside. | | | |
| That penalty decision on 21:12 - Sep 22 with 1324 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 21:10 - Sep 22 by TalkingSutty |
Having just consumed a botle of red my memory is now even fuzzier than normal but from the highlights on telly it seemed McIntyre collided into the forward prior to Lillis involvement.
Anyway i could have seen it completley wrong and will have another look tomorrow. It doesnt really matter either way, my initial thought at the time was that the lad was offside. |
Agreed about the offside, but I have only so much rage to get out. | |
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| That penalty decision on 21:22 - Sep 22 with 1308 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 20:22 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
He doesn't have to be. He has to be the one who, in the referee's opinion, denied the goalscoring opportunity. |
If he's not the last man then it shouldn't be a red card?
If we had other defenders back and able to make a challenge then it can't be a straight red can it?
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| That penalty decision on 21:38 - Sep 22 with 1277 views | 442Dale |
| That penalty decision on 21:22 - Sep 22 by Clivert |
If he's not the last man then it shouldn't be a red card?
If we had other defenders back and able to make a challenge then it can't be a straight red can it?
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It can still be a goal scoring opportunity even if there is another defender back. |  |
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| That penalty decision on 21:40 - Sep 22 with 1272 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 21:38 - Sep 22 by 442Dale |
It can still be a goal scoring opportunity even if there is another defender back. |
That only applies to McArdle, doesn't it? | |
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| That penalty decision on 21:43 - Sep 22 with 1262 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 21:38 - Sep 22 by 442Dale |
It can still be a goal scoring opportunity even if there is another defender back. |
A red card aswell? | | | |
| That penalty decision on 21:49 - Sep 22 with 1242 views | judd |
| That penalty decision on 21:43 - Sep 22 by Clivert |
A red card aswell? |
Yes. If he is deemed to deny a goal scoring opportunity. | |
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| That penalty decision on 22:02 - Sep 22 with 1224 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 21:49 - Sep 22 by judd |
Yes. If he is deemed to deny a goal scoring opportunity. |
Always thought that you had to be the last man in situations like that.
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| That penalty decision on 22:06 - Sep 22 with 1213 views | 442Dale |
Having now seen it on SSN, can see why the ref gave it. It *looked* like a pen even though, as someone said, those challenges anywhere else on the field see no action. The difference? The way Lillis came out, even though he made a conscious effort not to touch the striker, had "potential penalty" already in everyone's mind, McIntyre then eases the D&R player off the ball in the next split second and the whistle is blown all too easily.
Correct decision? Still not sure. However, the way he charged after McIntyre with his red was the work of an attention seeker. | |
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| That penalty decision on 22:12 - Sep 22 with 1203 views | macaroo |
The angle of the tv replay doesn't really show the incident clearly enough. I can see why the ref gave it on the view he had. We still should have had enough about us to see out the game. It's a steep learning curve for our inexperienced back 4. |  | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:15 - Sep 22 with 1198 views | pnc4eva1 |
To add to the initial topic of a poor referee. He started as he meant to go on. On the first few minutes he gave a free kick to dale for a challenge on Kennedy, The challenge involved an elbow but he ignored the fact that he should have given a warning minimum to the Daggers player.
Later on in the first half he ignored a two footed, studs showing, challenge around the half way line as the Daggers player won the ball.
In the second half he didn't even warn the Daggers forward for a late challenge on Rafferty. A few minutes later he could not wait to produce a yellow for a dale player who made a similar challenge just outside the Daggers box.
The sending off I will hold judgement as I stand in the Sandy but it did look weak.
His final strange decision was the free kick as George D chased down a central defender. George D was gaining on the defender who then tripped / slipped / dived with George D two foot behind him. Free kick to Daggers. Bizarre to say the least.
The only defence for the referee was that the linesmen were weak as they did not help point out his mistakes when they had a better view
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| That penalty decision on 22:15 - Sep 22 with 1197 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 22:12 - Sep 22 by macaroo |
The angle of the tv replay doesn't really show the incident clearly enough. I can see why the ref gave it on the view he had. We still should have had enough about us to see out the game. It's a steep learning curve for our inexperienced back 4. |
Affirmative. | | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:16 - Sep 22 with 1194 views | TVOS1907 |
| That penalty decision on 21:22 - Sep 22 by Clivert |
If he's not the last man then it shouldn't be a red card?
If we had other defenders back and able to make a challenge then it can't be a straight red can it?
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Yes it can. The laws mention 'goalscoring opportunity'. 'Last man' is a myth.
Think about the Colchester red card at Spotland last October, for example. |  |
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| That penalty decision on 22:23 - Sep 22 with 1178 views | JorDale |
There's no question about it, it was NOT a foul never mind a pen !! i was in disbelief, it was the worst refereeing show I can remember. i thought the circus was on cronkyshaw? correct me if i'm wrong but mcintyre wasn't last man as he hadn't skinned lillis yet? all mac did was run onto a over played ball. shocking. highlights on fls? your joking i have to sit through 15 mins of bolton half chances to see my teams bare minimum. | | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:24 - Sep 22 with 1177 views | phomem |
| That penalty decision on 22:16 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
Yes it can. The laws mention 'goalscoring opportunity'. 'Last man' is a myth.
Think about the Colchester red card at Spotland last October, for example. |
Goal scoring opportunity gives the ref the option like with Mawson last week the intent meant he went regardless of grant | | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:26 - Sep 22 with 1168 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 22:16 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
Yes it can. The laws mention 'goalscoring opportunity'. 'Last man' is a myth.
Think about the Colchester red card at Spotland last October, for example. |
Just watched it again and still thinking 'Hmmmmmm?'
Can see the penalty but not the red card. | | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:29 - Sep 22 with 1162 views | phomem |
| That penalty decision on 22:26 - Sep 22 by Clivert |
Just watched it again and still thinking 'Hmmmmmm?'
Can see the penalty but not the red card. |
You end up with the old debate is the penalty punishment enough. Now having watched it I can see why the ref gave both decisions | | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:31 - Sep 22 with 1160 views | TVOS1907 |
| That penalty decision on 22:26 - Sep 22 by Clivert |
Just watched it again and still thinking 'Hmmmmmm?'
Can see the penalty but not the red card. |
Well currently in Sowerby Bridge so not seen it yet but from memory, without the 'foul', it was a goalscoring opportunity. Will watch it later after Bolton's goals. | |
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| That penalty decision on 22:35 - Sep 22 with 1153 views | chuckleberry |
| That penalty decision on 22:31 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
Well currently in Sowerby Bridge so not seen it yet but from memory, without the 'foul', it was a goalscoring opportunity. Will watch it later after Bolton's goals. |
What's the sudden interest in Bolton? Perv. |  | | |
| That penalty decision on 22:40 - Sep 22 with 1141 views | Clivert |
| That penalty decision on 22:31 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
Well currently in Sowerby Bridge so not seen it yet but from memory, without the 'foul', it was a goalscoring opportunity. Will watch it later after Bolton's goals. |
and MK Dons goals. | | | |
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