| First half table 17:32 - Jan 25 with 1231 views | andrew |
We are 3rd on first half table.
Players clearly unfit, or teams sus is out. |  |
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| First half table on 17:39 - Jan 25 with 1079 views | Dr_Winston |
You only have to look at how late and how predictable Williams' subs usually are. We absolutely cannot react to opposing team's tactical changes. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| First half table on 17:43 - Jan 25 with 1054 views | onehunglow |
| First half table on 17:39 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
You only have to look at how late and how predictable Williams' subs usually are. We absolutely cannot react to opposing team's tactical changes. |
I don’t think it matters who comes on or off. They are all broken | |
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| First half table on 17:45 - Jan 25 with 1049 views | magicdaps10 |
Squad depth doesn't help at all.
One of our regulars off the bench has recently joined league 1 Leyton Orient. Take a minute to think on that. |  |
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| First half table on 17:51 - Jan 25 with 1011 views | Dr_Winston |
| First half table on 17:45 - Jan 25 by magicdaps10 |
Squad depth doesn't help at all.
One of our regulars off the bench has recently joined league 1 Leyton Orient. Take a minute to think on that. |
OK. I've taken a minute to think about it.
And the conclusion that I've come to is that if I was a central midfielder who had spent most of the season being made to look hapless by a manager who insisted that I was a winger, maybe I'd end up at Leyton Orient too.
Squad depth is an excuse that has been made for Williams all season, but it's one that has worn thinner than Kate Moss. A weak squad can still looks like it's been coached, can still play in more than one way, can at least battle for a manager it believes in.
Too many players are clearly performing within themselves at this point. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:27 - Jan 25 with 942 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 17:51 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
OK. I've taken a minute to think about it.
And the conclusion that I've come to is that if I was a central midfielder who had spent most of the season being made to look hapless by a manager who insisted that I was a winger, maybe I'd end up at Leyton Orient too.
Squad depth is an excuse that has been made for Williams all season, but it's one that has worn thinner than Kate Moss. A weak squad can still looks like it's been coached, can still play in more than one way, can at least battle for a manager it believes in.
Too many players are clearly performing within themselves at this point. |
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| First half table on 18:30 - Jan 25 with 923 views | RichardO |
This just shows that when teams need to work us out they can, today's game we were well in it getting back to even the game but the notion of packing the midfield should be done by the forward players not the fullbacks ,for an example we levelled a game Darling then playing fullback straight after the restart was pushing forward without any thought of defensive shape and that was exactly where the opposition goal came almost directly after the restart again. A case of players being unfamiliar with the role they are being asked to play.
I thought in the first half today both Key and Tymon played better as fullbacks than they have for some time but it obvious mistakes have happen with the roles they are being asked to play with poor decision making on their part. [Post edited 25 Jan 18:38]
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| First half table on 18:31 - Jan 25 with 917 views | magicdaps10 |
| First half table on 17:51 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
OK. I've taken a minute to think about it.
And the conclusion that I've come to is that if I was a central midfielder who had spent most of the season being made to look hapless by a manager who insisted that I was a winger, maybe I'd end up at Leyton Orient too.
Squad depth is an excuse that has been made for Williams all season, but it's one that has worn thinner than Kate Moss. A weak squad can still looks like it's been coached, can still play in more than one way, can at least battle for a manager it believes in.
Too many players are clearly performing within themselves at this point. |
Squad is thin and weak.
That's not taking away from Williams and his take in things, it's just the truth. | |
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| First half table on 18:38 - Jan 25 with 892 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 18:31 - Jan 25 by magicdaps10 |
Squad is thin and weak.
That's not taking away from Williams and his take in things, it's just the truth. |
I posted a long response above and it crashed as it was posting, but yeah that was the gist of it. I’m not at all surprised we’re much better results wise before our starting eleven tire.
Tactics and motivation are squarely on him though.
As for Abdulai, he didn’t look like a central midfielder being played out of position. He looked like the Championship was way above his level. Plenty of players have to do that, very few look as bad as he did.
I’d have liked to see him loaned somewhere like Orient and played in his best position, but whether it’s for financial or football reasons, that won’t happen. | | | |
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| First half table on 18:44 - Jan 25 with 877 views | magicdaps10 |
| First half table on 18:38 - Jan 25 by jack247 |
I posted a long response above and it crashed as it was posting, but yeah that was the gist of it. I’m not at all surprised we’re much better results wise before our starting eleven tire.
Tactics and motivation are squarely on him though.
As for Abdulai, he didn’t look like a central midfielder being played out of position. He looked like the Championship was way above his level. Plenty of players have to do that, very few look as bad as he did.
I’d have liked to see him loaned somewhere like Orient and played in his best position, but whether it’s for financial or football reasons, that won’t happen. |
Teams will know about players regardless of they were being out of position or not.
If he was any good then there would have been championship teams all over him for a minimal fee.
We can certainly do better than conceding 9 goals in 3 games and scoring 2(with only from open play) but some are kidding themselves to think if it's going to be that much better.
Squad is poor and very thin......it's a recipe for disaster. | |
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| First half table on 20:01 - Jan 25 with 755 views | SullutaCreturned |
| First half table on 17:39 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
You only have to look at how late and how predictable Williams' subs usually are. We absolutely cannot react to opposing team's tactical changes. |
Those subs, when you say late, aren't they usually made around the same times too. It's as if the changes are pre-planned and made at the prescribed time no matter what, unless there is an injury or a sending off.
We have heard training described as "prescibed" too.
Things falling apart in the last 30, it looks like it's a direct result of a prescrinbed routine rather than being proactive. | | | |
| First half table on 20:04 - Jan 25 with 739 views | Treforys_Jack |
| First half table on 18:38 - Jan 25 by jack247 |
I posted a long response above and it crashed as it was posting, but yeah that was the gist of it. I’m not at all surprised we’re much better results wise before our starting eleven tire.
Tactics and motivation are squarely on him though.
As for Abdulai, he didn’t look like a central midfielder being played out of position. He looked like the Championship was way above his level. Plenty of players have to do that, very few look as bad as he did.
I’d have liked to see him loaned somewhere like Orient and played in his best position, but whether it’s for financial or football reasons, that won’t happen. |
It would have been nice to actually see him in his favoured position. All his 22 appearances were on the wing, seriously what was that all about. |  | | |
| First half table on 20:09 - Jan 25 with 711 views | Dr_Winston |
| First half table on 20:01 - Jan 25 by SullutaCreturned |
Those subs, when you say late, aren't they usually made around the same times too. It's as if the changes are pre-planned and made at the prescribed time no matter what, unless there is an injury or a sending off.
We have heard training described as "prescibed" too.
Things falling apart in the last 30, it looks like it's a direct result of a prescrinbed routine rather than being proactive. |
Same thing with Russy. It was generally around the 60th minute that Ntcham got subbed off. Became a running joke eventually. | |
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| First half table on 20:18 - Jan 25 with 693 views | magicdaps10 |
| First half table on 20:04 - Jan 25 by Treforys_Jack |
It would have been nice to actually see him in his favoured position. All his 22 appearances were on the wing, seriously what was that all about. |
Played left wing for Orient today. | |
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| First half table on 21:00 - Jan 25 with 648 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 20:04 - Jan 25 by Treforys_Jack |
It would have been nice to actually see him in his favoured position. All his 22 appearances were on the wing, seriously what was that all about. |
He had a rough deal for sure. He should have gone on loan to get used to the pace and physicality.
He couldn’t cope with it out wide. That would have been magnified in the middle where it’s more congested.
It should be apparent by now, that under 21 football does not prepare players adequately for the championship. They are on a hiding to nothing. Barring maybe the odd wonder kid, they should all go on loan to somewhere like Yeovil. | | | |
| First half table on 21:49 - Jan 25 with 587 views | SullutaCreturned |
| First half table on 21:00 - Jan 25 by jack247 |
He had a rough deal for sure. He should have gone on loan to get used to the pace and physicality.
He couldn’t cope with it out wide. That would have been magnified in the middle where it’s more congested.
It should be apparent by now, that under 21 football does not prepare players adequately for the championship. They are on a hiding to nothing. Barring maybe the odd wonder kid, they should all go on loan to somewhere like Yeovil. |
Or they are put in the first team and managed properly, given their chance but put on or subbed as needs be.
When you can't afford to buy your way through then you need to manage your resources better. Loans don't always help, in or out. | | | |
| First half table on 06:02 - Jan 26 with 463 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 21:49 - Jan 25 by SullutaCreturned |
Or they are put in the first team and managed properly, given their chance but put on or subbed as needs be.
When you can't afford to buy your way through then you need to manage your resources better. Loans don't always help, in or out. |
Sending them out on loan is managing them properly. Their final season before the first team is far better spent in league two than playing U21 games with little intensity. Our own ex U21/U23 players are testament to that. | | | |
| First half table on 08:14 - Jan 26 with 398 views | SullutaCreturned |
| First half table on 06:02 - Jan 26 by jack247 |
Sending them out on loan is managing them properly. Their final season before the first team is far better spent in league two than playing U21 games with little intensity. Our own ex U21/U23 players are testament to that. |
So when the squad is fag paper thin and you can't afford to bring anybody in the best management is to sell players and loan them out?
Think about that for a minute too. We have a team that is visibly knackered come the hour. We are thin on quality and some subs never get used because they aren't good enough so then we sell a player who has been a regular off the bench which makes us weaker still.
Unless some kind of miracle happens re transfers, we have a weaker squad than when the window opened, results have nose dived when they weren't exactly brilliant beforehand and players clearly look like they aren't bothered.
Joe Allen looks ready for retirement and in my opinion it would be better for the Swans if he already had because then we'd have wages to play with because Allen is vitually a passenger. Fulton has become useless and Franco cannot carry us by himself which brings me to Grimes, the only ever present and as I have already said, even his fans aren't defending him after yesterdays shit show. | | | |
| First half table on 08:18 - Jan 26 with 389 views | SullutaCreturned |
| First half table on 18:44 - Jan 25 by magicdaps10 |
Teams will know about players regardless of they were being out of position or not.
If he was any good then there would have been championship teams all over him for a minimal fee.
We can certainly do better than conceding 9 goals in 3 games and scoring 2(with only from open play) but some are kidding themselves to think if it's going to be that much better.
Squad is poor and very thin......it's a recipe for disaster. |
I don't want to turn this thread into a rant about Grimes, most know he's not my favourite player BUT if what you say is true then why did nobody make a serious bid for Grimes when his contract was low and people here and even pundits were purring over him?
I'm not saying Abdullai was an evil genius in the making but he was definitely no winger and while he may have been even worse at CDM didn;t he deserve a chance there which also gives Williams the opportunity to judge him.
Why do we constantly play people out of position? Williams really is a Martin clone, he does the same things time and time again regardless of the failures. | | | |
| First half table on 08:32 - Jan 26 with 377 views | raynor94 |
Slot was saying after the Liverpool game today, he enjoys goals and clean sheets, but what gives him great pleasure is work rate.
We are just so slow, we really need an injection of pace and play at a higher tempo |  |
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| First half table on 08:36 - Jan 26 with 367 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 08:14 - Jan 26 by SullutaCreturned |
So when the squad is fag paper thin and you can't afford to bring anybody in the best management is to sell players and loan them out?
Think about that for a minute too. We have a team that is visibly knackered come the hour. We are thin on quality and some subs never get used because they aren't good enough so then we sell a player who has been a regular off the bench which makes us weaker still.
Unless some kind of miracle happens re transfers, we have a weaker squad than when the window opened, results have nose dived when they weren't exactly brilliant beforehand and players clearly look like they aren't bothered.
Joe Allen looks ready for retirement and in my opinion it would be better for the Swans if he already had because then we'd have wages to play with because Allen is vitually a passenger. Fulton has become useless and Franco cannot carry us by himself which brings me to Grimes, the only ever present and as I have already said, even his fans aren't defending him after yesterdays shit show. |
No, that wasn’t quite my point. I completely agree it’s all hands on deck at the moment.
If we were looking at Abdulai as a regular first team player this season, he should have been on loan last season. It’s obvious from his cameos he can’t handle the pace and intensity if the game. That would be worse in central midfield where he’d have less time and space.
He’s clearly not ready now, I’d have rathered extend his contract by a year, loan him out and see if he adapts.
Congreve came in very young and struggled. He scored yesterday for Bromley and at Newcastle in the FA cup. He may be an option going forward if he’s not out of contract.
I’d like to think Ginellys return to fitness played a part in letting Abdulai go. | | | |
| First half table on 09:48 - Jan 26 with 329 views | vetchonian |
| First half table on 18:38 - Jan 25 by jack247 |
I posted a long response above and it crashed as it was posting, but yeah that was the gist of it. I’m not at all surprised we’re much better results wise before our starting eleven tire.
Tactics and motivation are squarely on him though.
As for Abdulai, he didn’t look like a central midfielder being played out of position. He looked like the Championship was way above his level. Plenty of players have to do that, very few look as bad as he did.
I’d have liked to see him loaned somewhere like Orient and played in his best position, but whether it’s for financial or football reasons, that won’t happen. |
Interestingly Abdulai started on the wing for Orient yesterday [Post edited 26 Jan 10:00]
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| First half table on 10:24 - Jan 26 with 279 views | SullutaCreturned |
| First half table on 08:36 - Jan 26 by jack247 |
No, that wasn’t quite my point. I completely agree it’s all hands on deck at the moment.
If we were looking at Abdulai as a regular first team player this season, he should have been on loan last season. It’s obvious from his cameos he can’t handle the pace and intensity if the game. That would be worse in central midfield where he’d have less time and space.
He’s clearly not ready now, I’d have rathered extend his contract by a year, loan him out and see if he adapts.
Congreve came in very young and struggled. He scored yesterday for Bromley and at Newcastle in the FA cup. He may be an option going forward if he’s not out of contract.
I’d like to think Ginellys return to fitness played a part in letting Abdulai go. |
Ah, ok. Sorry that I misunderstood.
I still think Abdullai should have been given a crack at CDM just so he could be judged there. After all a very good CDm may be a terrible winger and I'm not sure you can judge a player in a position he hasn't been used in. After all I would happily have sold Cullen because he is no lead the line striker but his switch to AM has been the making of him. | | | |
| First half table on 10:36 - Jan 26 with 263 views | jack247 |
| First half table on 10:24 - Jan 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Ah, ok. Sorry that I misunderstood.
I still think Abdullai should have been given a crack at CDM just so he could be judged there. After all a very good CDm may be a terrible winger and I'm not sure you can judge a player in a position he hasn't been used in. After all I would happily have sold Cullen because he is no lead the line striker but his switch to AM has been the making of him. |
Yeah I probably wasn’t that clear.
We certainly should be judging him as a central midfielder. I think to prepare him for that, he should have had a season playing there at a lower level, with and against players who may not have his quality, but play much quicker and more aggressively than he’s used to.
I can actually see the logic in playing him wide, as he has more time and space there. If he’d looked like a CDM being played out of position, he may have had a crack, but he just looked like he couldn’t deal with the pace and intensity of the game.
To be fair, he usually had 10 minutes or so. I don’t think that’s enough to give him a fair chance to get to grips with it. | | | |
| First half table (n/t) on 11:51 - Jan 26 with 215 views | max936 |
| First half table on 06:02 - Jan 26 by jack247 |
Sending them out on loan is managing them properly. Their final season before the first team is far better spent in league two than playing U21 games with little intensity. Our own ex U21/U23 players are testament to that. |
Spot on or it would be if we didn't need a few to fill the clear gaps in the match team squad. [Post edited 26 Jan 11:53]
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| First half table on 11:58 - Jan 26 with 178 views | max936 |
| First half table on 08:32 - Jan 26 by raynor94 |
Slot was saying after the Liverpool game today, he enjoys goals and clean sheets, but what gives him great pleasure is work rate.
We are just so slow, we really need an injection of pace and play at a higher tempo |
They'll have a proper and thorough test next week against Bournemouth, something tells me Slot will have his work cut out, Bournemouth's defence and attack are very good the attack is liden with fast quality players, defensively Liverpool will have they're work cut-out. | |
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