| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am 20:55 - Dec 7 with 11239 views | turnthescrew |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 17:35 - Dec 10 with 4638 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 16:58 - Dec 10 by turnthescrew |
As long as the GS is held by a properly constituted and authorised group, separate from the business of RAFC, it can be called whatever you want it to be.
The overriding point is that the Trust, as is, has been neutered by the changed that occurred prior to the Ogden acquisition.
Its' effectiveness and intended function is finished in the way that it was originally meant to be. The recent Trust AGM was attended by about 20 people. That says it all. |
Erm, yes... we know all that, why repeat it?
The GS is actually more important, and central to the Ogden takeover, which is why i raised it in the first place. I also raise the question of whether the GS can ONLY be made available to the Trust as currently constituted. If anyone can update on that, i'm sure we'd all be grateful |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 18:38 - Dec 10 with 4459 views | James1980 |
The way I see it a trust is a fans union, as many fans has possible need to join it, for it to have enough teeth. | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 19:42 - Dec 10 with 4334 views | turnthescrew |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:35 - Dec 10 by D_Alien |
Erm, yes... we know all that, why repeat it?
The GS is actually more important, and central to the Ogden takeover, which is why i raised it in the first place. I also raise the question of whether the GS can ONLY be made available to the Trust as currently constituted. If anyone can update on that, i'm sure we'd all be grateful |
We all know what? 20 people at the AGM means not a lot of people may know anything of importance.
Instead of playing the role of a sarcastic tw@t, try and contribute something constructive. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 19:52 - Dec 10 with 4318 views | judd |
Great to get a response, however indirectly received, although I did have the question count at 3. |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 20:00 - Dec 10 with 4266 views | 442Dale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 19:52 - Dec 10 by judd |
Great to get a response, however indirectly received, although I did have the question count at 3. |
Presumably the “full reply” will address all the questions. |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 20:09 - Dec 10 with 4238 views | judd |
| AGM Tuesday. on 20:00 - Dec 10 by 442Dale |
Presumably the “full reply” will address all the questions. |
Quote: "The Trust has received a question..." | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 20:26 - Dec 10 with 4152 views | 442Dale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 20:09 - Dec 10 by judd |
Quote: "The Trust has received a question..." |
Previously on this subject…
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This was raised at the Trust AGM last weekend, and reported as follows:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2024/11/trust-2024-agm/
“ Reference was made to the statement made by the Club regarding the new format of future AGMs, without the opportunity of a forum taking place once AGM business is concluded. A date for a Fans Forum will closely follow the AGM to allow participation to include all fans, and not limited to shareholders.”
Except it was specifically asked whether the decision to change the AGM format was challenged when the Trust had their meeting with the club.
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That last point remains unanswered. | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 20:34 - Dec 10 with 4125 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 19:42 - Dec 10 by turnthescrew |
We all know what? 20 people at the AGM means not a lot of people may know anything of importance.
Instead of playing the role of a sarcastic tw@t, try and contribute something constructive. |
That's precisely what i'm looking to do
Having someone continually counter with the bleeding obvious doesn't help one bit | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 08:21 - Dec 11 with 3897 views | TalkingSutty |
| AGM Tuesday. on 22:04 - Dec 9 by judd |
Email sent to Trust tonight:
Hello All
Please can the club board be contacted and an explanation sought and made public as to why the AGM now set for 10 am on Monday 30th December is at such an inconvenient time for many shareholders ?
Also, why the established precedent of a separate Q&A after the AGM has been withdrawn from shareholders?
Could you also advise if the original time of 530 pm for tomorrow was challenged by the Trust, and what the outcome of this challenge was?
Very much look forward to hearing back from you with a full response |
I've sent a email to the Trust in relation to the ridiculous 10am start, it's obviously designed to deter attendance rather than encourage it. I can't believe the Ogden family are supportive of that. To be honest I've all but given up on the Supporters Trust and sending the email was against my better judgement. The worst thing to happen has been Murray Knight going into the Boardroom, this has in fact weakened the Trust rather than strengthened it. A total disaster i think. The Trust has been reduced to a timid weak kitten and is neither use nor ornament as it stands. They have no voice whatsoever and the whole set up needs disbanding and setting up again in a different supporters format. One that is stronger and fit for purpose, one that is aligned with how the Ogden family see the club going forward in the future. |  | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:23 - Dec 11 with 3521 views | Rodingdale |
Indeed, an excellent communication. It may have been useful for the club to have foreseen concern and to have provided at the time the date was rearranged.
A question arising though, Chairman? Or Chairmen? SG and CO listed as Directors, who actually chairs the Board (meetings)? | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 09:00 - Dec 12 with 3111 views | judd |
| AGM Tuesday. on 20:26 - Dec 10 by 442Dale |
Previously on this subject…
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This was raised at the Trust AGM last weekend, and reported as follows:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2024/11/trust-2024-agm/
“ Reference was made to the statement made by the Club regarding the new format of future AGMs, without the opportunity of a forum taking place once AGM business is concluded. A date for a Fans Forum will closely follow the AGM to allow participation to include all fans, and not limited to shareholders.”
Except it was specifically asked whether the decision to change the AGM format was challenged when the Trust had their meeting with the club.
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That last point remains unanswered. |
As expected, it was not a full response from the Trust (not the club, I might add).
The third question remains unanswered, as it did when you asked.
Further, it appears there was only action taken after the receipt of my email, so it can be assumed that the answer is no in both cases. | |
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| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 21:34 - Dec 29 with 2123 views | turnthescrew |
Just a reminder to those intending to go. Ratcliffe at 10.00am. | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 23:34 - Dec 29 with 1961 views | 100569 |
I could have done with that reminder a couple of days ago. I had forgotten and now have something else planned. | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 10:56 - Dec 30 with 1641 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 23:34 - Dec 29 by 100569 |
I could have done with that reminder a couple of days ago. I had forgotten and now have something else planned. |
You didn't miss much
Done and dusted in 25 minutes | |
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| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:03 - Dec 30 with 1607 views | pioneer |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 10:56 - Dec 30 by D_Alien |
You didn't miss much
Done and dusted in 25 minutes |
Which was the purpose of the timing of the meeting no doubt.
Shareholders voting powers watered down and now their voice has been as well.
Another sad day in the 100 plus years of what once was our club but now is theirs. | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:12 - Dec 30 with 1578 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:03 - Dec 30 by pioneer |
Which was the purpose of the timing of the meeting no doubt.
Shareholders voting powers watered down and now their voice has been as well.
Another sad day in the 100 plus years of what once was our club but now is theirs. |
There was an opportunity to raise questions (pertinent to the business of the meeting) which duly happened, otherwise it would've been 10 minutes
Also, to register a vote
Good view of the pitch from Box 4 (moved from the Ratcliffe) and it looked great in the sunshine... | |
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| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:33 - Dec 30 with 1510 views | 100notout |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:03 - Dec 30 by pioneer |
Which was the purpose of the timing of the meeting no doubt.
Shareholders voting powers watered down and now their voice has been as well.
Another sad day in the 100 plus years of what once was our club but now is theirs. |
A bit harsh that last sentence.
The Ogden family are good, philantopic, honest people of the highest integrity, with roots in Rochdale. They are still finding their feet in terms of running the club and this leads to frustration on all sides but I've no doubt that there are a lot of things going on in the background.
My only issue is that some of the previous board members who are still in place are not up to the job and the board needs strengthening with local, competent, business savvy people - there are several people that I could think of that would be suitable.
Overall though, I have no doubt that, in terms of ownership, we are in good hands. | |
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| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:47 - Dec 30 with 1474 views | pioneer |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:33 - Dec 30 by 100notout |
A bit harsh that last sentence.
The Ogden family are good, philantopic, honest people of the highest integrity, with roots in Rochdale. They are still finding their feet in terms of running the club and this leads to frustration on all sides but I've no doubt that there are a lot of things going on in the background.
My only issue is that some of the previous board members who are still in place are not up to the job and the board needs strengthening with local, competent, business savvy people - there are several people that I could think of that would be suitable.
Overall though, I have no doubt that, in terms of ownership, we are in good hands. |
My post didnt mention the ogdens.
They are obviously successful people who invest in community initiatives but maybe they think they dont need to hear the voice of minority shareholders.
I think they are bright enough to know holding the AGM when they did would limit the participation of shareholders who invested in the club long before they did.
Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and make sure future AGMs are timed to maximise the participation of shareholders. | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 14:02 - Dec 30 with 1276 views | Dale69er |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 11:47 - Dec 30 by pioneer |
My post didnt mention the ogdens.
They are obviously successful people who invest in community initiatives but maybe they think they dont need to hear the voice of minority shareholders.
I think they are bright enough to know holding the AGM when they did would limit the participation of shareholders who invested in the club long before they did.
Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and make sure future AGMs are timed to maximise the participation of shareholders. |
So who did you mean by "theirs"? |  | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 19:32 - Dec 30 with 907 views | pioneer |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 14:02 - Dec 30 by Dale69er |
So who did you mean by "theirs"? |
The majority shareholders who control the club. | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 20:15 - Dec 30 with 815 views | Dale69er |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 19:32 - Dec 30 by pioneer |
The majority shareholders who control the club. |
Who are the Ogdens | | | |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 20:18 - Dec 30 with 811 views | SuddenLad |
| AGM Tomorrow 10.00am on 20:15 - Dec 30 by Dale69er |
Who are the Ogdens |
Stan and Hilda. Long time supporters. They have a box, with a muriel and some flying ducks on the wall. Lovely down to earth couple. |  |
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