| Announcement imminent? 07:47 - Oct 30 with 11626 views | FrankRightguard |
Thought I’d pop on Skybet and see what odds they were offering for the runners and riders and there is no market available. They have one up for Bristol City so I assume whoever is coming is a done deal and they don’t want a pile on. |  | | |  |
| Announcement imminent? on 13:55 - Oct 30 with 3236 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Announcement imminent? on 12:57 - Oct 30 by NewBee |
"... so expect a long line of applicants looking for a three year contract and a pay off when we’re relegated."
No offence, but it is a complete myth that your average, bog-standard manager, with a CV showing eg 3 managerial positions in the last five seasons, can rock up at a potless EFL club and then receive a nice pay-off when he's subsequently sacked 6 or 9 months into a 3 year contract etc.
Club owners may, on-the-whole, be pretty clueless when it comes to running a football club, but they're not so completely stupid that they don't insert a (minimum) severance clause into a new manager's contract when he signs it. Remember, most of the time, that new manager has very little leverage when applying for a job (i.e. they're out-of-work already, or soon will be), while owners know that if Applicant A demands too much, they can just turn to Applicant B instead.
Of course, an in-demand manager at the top of his game can make demands of his own eg when Mourinho walked away from Chelsea the first time, he apparently needed an extra-large wheelbarrow to shift his pay-off to the bank. But that was because Abram was prepared to pay top money for the top manager at the time. Whereas after Mourinho left them for the second time, the pay-off was considerably reduced.
Same eg with Poch at Tottenham. There he had apparently negotiated a good deal following his most recent contract renewal, but when Levy decided he had to go, not that long after, instead of just paying out a lump sum, he put him on 'gardening leave'. Meaning that he was still technically employed by the club and so entitled to be paid monthly etc. However, the moment he took up a new job, Spurs could cease paying him.
The QPR job will not be an attractive one for ambitious young up-and-coming managers whose career trajectory is rising, so you're very unlikely to attract such applicants (unless we're talking from League Two, or even National League?). Or the club might take a chance on some unknown foreigner who's desperate to get on the ladder in English football, but even there, such a contender would not be in a position to make contract demands, including a generous severance package.
Instead, the applicants will likely either be (A ) the same old hackneyed names, desperate for a job - any job - and so in no position to bargain; or (B ) a Big Sam or a Colin, who will come in on a short-term contract, but with a hefty bonus for keeping you up. Which, frankly, is unlikely ever to have to be paid.
P.S. None of that last bit is meant to be a wind-up, so sorry if it gets taken that way. [Post edited 30 Oct 2023 13:00]
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You come across as a bit of a see you next... there mate.
Hope you take that the right way. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:03 - Oct 30 with 3087 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Announcement imminent? on 13:50 - Oct 30 by Northernr |
"So anyway, you're too fat. No offence." |
"with all due respect, your sister's a slut"
to quote the great Dom Irrera. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:07 - Oct 30 with 3030 views | Metallica_Hoop |
I'm refreshing the screen every 15mins. (approx)
Hurry up. |  |
| Beer and Beef has made us what we are - The Prince Regent |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:20 - Oct 30 with 2843 views | NewBee |
| Announcement imminent? on 13:50 - Oct 30 by Northernr |
"So anyway, you're too fat. No offence." |
None taken.
I'm quite content with being big boned. I mean, it's better than being thin-skinned. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:20 - Oct 30 with 2842 views | TheChef |
#announceravel |  |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 with 2798 views | Maggsinho |
A new name in the frame - Marti Cifuentes
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 with 2795 views | Juzzie |
| Announcement imminent? on 12:57 - Oct 30 by NewBee |
"... so expect a long line of applicants looking for a three year contract and a pay off when we’re relegated."
No offence, but it is a complete myth that your average, bog-standard manager, with a CV showing eg 3 managerial positions in the last five seasons, can rock up at a potless EFL club and then receive a nice pay-off when he's subsequently sacked 6 or 9 months into a 3 year contract etc.
Club owners may, on-the-whole, be pretty clueless when it comes to running a football club, but they're not so completely stupid that they don't insert a (minimum) severance clause into a new manager's contract when he signs it. Remember, most of the time, that new manager has very little leverage when applying for a job (i.e. they're out-of-work already, or soon will be), while owners know that if Applicant A demands too much, they can just turn to Applicant B instead.
Of course, an in-demand manager at the top of his game can make demands of his own eg when Mourinho walked away from Chelsea the first time, he apparently needed an extra-large wheelbarrow to shift his pay-off to the bank. But that was because Abram was prepared to pay top money for the top manager at the time. Whereas after Mourinho left them for the second time, the pay-off was considerably reduced.
Same eg with Poch at Tottenham. There he had apparently negotiated a good deal following his most recent contract renewal, but when Levy decided he had to go, not that long after, instead of just paying out a lump sum, he put him on 'gardening leave'. Meaning that he was still technically employed by the club and so entitled to be paid monthly etc. However, the moment he took up a new job, Spurs could cease paying him.
The QPR job will not be an attractive one for ambitious young up-and-coming managers whose career trajectory is rising, so you're very unlikely to attract such applicants (unless we're talking from League Two, or even National League?). Or the club might take a chance on some unknown foreigner who's desperate to get on the ladder in English football, but even there, such a contender would not be in a position to make contract demands, including a generous severance package.
Instead, the applicants will likely either be (A ) the same old hackneyed names, desperate for a job - any job - and so in no position to bargain; or (B ) a Big Sam or a Colin, who will come in on a short-term contract, but with a hefty bonus for keeping you up. Which, frankly, is unlikely ever to have to be paid.
P.S. None of that last bit is meant to be a wind-up, so sorry if it gets taken that way. [Post edited 30 Oct 2023 13:00]
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No one got relegated in October/November so was all going well until that last sentence, even with the edit. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 with 2788 views | aston_hoop |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 by Maggsinho |
A new name in the frame - Marti Cifuentes
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Linked a couple of times previously, before we appointed Beale and then before we appointed Critchley. We haven't forgotten him at least I suppose. |  |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:26 - Oct 30 with 2735 views | connell10 |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 by aston_hoop |
Linked a couple of times previously, before we appointed Beale and then before we appointed Critchley. We haven't forgotten him at least I suppose. |
With a name like that pretty hard to forget to be honest. |  |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:27 - Oct 30 with 2714 views | TheChef |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 by Maggsinho |
A new name in the frame - Marti Cifuentes
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Marti Pellow also available? | |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:43 - Oct 30 with 2547 views | kensalriser |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:27 - Oct 30 by TheChef |
Marti Pellow also available? |
I don't think Pellow's a football manager tbh, just happens to share the same first name. |  |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:45 - Oct 30 with 2516 views | TheChef |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:43 - Oct 30 by kensalriser |
I don't think Pellow's a football manager tbh, just happens to share the same first name. |
Probably wishing he was lucky. | |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:49 - Oct 30 with 2465 views | Tonto |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:27 - Oct 30 by TheChef |
Marti Pellow also available? |
Yeah but his best friend went and ltold him that there may be a job at City...
So he is hardly going yto come here is he? |  |
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| Announcement imminent? on 14:49 - Oct 30 with 2443 views | FDC |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 by Maggsinho |
A new name in the frame - Marti Cifuentes
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I mean it's the kind of interesting appointment I'd quite like, because it suggests some research and planning -- but with it being made by a DoF. Kind of wild to go from Ainsworth to a random Swedish guy but there you go. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 15:04 - Oct 30 with 2239 views | eastside_r |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:49 - Oct 30 by FDC |
I mean it's the kind of interesting appointment I'd quite like, because it suggests some research and planning -- but with it being made by a DoF. Kind of wild to go from Ainsworth to a random Swedish guy but there you go. |
Don’t think he’s Swedish. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 15:08 - Oct 30 with 2174 views | TheChef |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:49 - Oct 30 by Tonto |
Yeah but his best friend went and ltold him that there may be a job at City...
So he is hardly going yto come here is he? |
He would dream about another scheme
About another sordid hall of dreams
About a man who is king of industry
He would swear by his mouth almighty
He would buy the best
But never something new
And he never told me
Never knew this song was about QPR! | |
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| Announcement imminent? on 15:09 - Oct 30 with 2150 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| Announcement imminent? on 15:08 - Oct 30 by TheChef |
He would dream about another scheme
About another sordid hall of dreams
About a man who is king of industry
He would swear by his mouth almighty
He would buy the best
But never something new
And he never told me
Never knew this song was about QPR! |
We're all getting bored now aren't we? |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 15:11 - Oct 30 with 2082 views | Northernr |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:49 - Oct 30 by FDC |
I mean it's the kind of interesting appointment I'd quite like, because it suggests some research and planning -- but with it being made by a DoF. Kind of wild to go from Ainsworth to a random Swedish guy but there you go. |
Well he was on the list a year ago. |  | | |
| Announcement imminent? on 15:12 - Oct 30 with 2054 views | dm97 |
| Announcement imminent? on 14:23 - Oct 30 by Maggsinho |
A new name in the frame - Marti Cifuentes
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Agents gonna agent |  | | |
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