| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour 20:01 - Aug 13 with 46658 views | TheChef |
Up to 2 million apparently.
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:44 - Aug 14 with 4579 views | Blue_Castello |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:23 - Aug 14 by daveB |
When has Ainsworth picked him?
He started at Wigan and home to Preston (taken off in both games) not a single other start, how can he be judged on those 2 games. Balogun got more chances than him
I just find it all bizarre, I do agree he's been nowhere near his best since his hamstring went at Sheffield Utd but your not gonna be if you don't get a run in the side and just come on when the team is already losing and not playing well
I don't doubt he wants to go and we should sell him, just not buying this bad egg stuff about him, it's similar to the Bright/Manning situation, we've created it by not selling him a year ago when it was obvious he wasn't signing a new deal |
But we're back to the narrative of being the clubs fault, as I said in more detail in my last post the only way it's the clubs fault if you blame Les for agreeing to Beales demands of not selling any of our players, the club did the exhaustive recruitment process and chose what they thought was the best candidate 
What we can put it down to is a very unfortunate set of circumstances, one which the club is desperately trying to rebuild from. As far as Willocks form is concerned he was poor against Preston and needed to be subbed, the bloke didn't even want to run and gave the impression he didn't want to be a part of the team, I agree most players need a run of games to get up to speed but they need to show that they want to be part of the team.
That's enough for me for now were just going over the same ground, have a good day.... [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 15:04]
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:58 - Aug 14 with 4424 views | BklynRanger |
Rather than a 'bad egg' I think a lot of people are seeing him as more of a disgruntled employee. I know I am. Plenty of discussion why that might be the case so I won't bother.
If we can move him onto these allegedly greener pastures, get some desperately needed £££ and even a very solid player in exchange (believe it when I see it) that's got to be far better for everyone.
My only worry now is it'll drag on all week. |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:16 - Aug 14 with 4276 views | daveB |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:43 - Aug 14 by simmo |
You're saying that like he hasn't got opportunities on the training pitch or in meetings to get himself picked. Do you really think Willock is fit, working his nuts off in training, but being left out of the first 11 because Elijah Dixon-Bonner is just too good?
We're not privy to the individal conversations, but it's clear and obvious that the very basic demands of work rate, off the ball positioning, tracking back and putting the team first are what GA demands. We've already seen that if you're a youth team kid with little to no pro appearances, but show those things in training and friendly games, you have a chance to get in the squad. If you're one of the best players but don't do those things, you won't be. |
I don't know what happens on the training pitch so maybe he is a nightmare but not everyone is going to want to push themselves that hard in training especially with a track record of hamstring injuries. We'll never know as seems obvious he's either going or just won't be picked, there is a chance though that Ainsworth might have got this wrong |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:16 - Aug 14 with 4272 views | 100percent |
Wow, five pages and counting..... this one is going to outfly the Wing rumour.... |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:28 - Aug 14 with 4151 views | robith |
I think Willock is one of those situations where everyone's point of view is probably accurate.
It's true, he's been a fantastic player for us.
It's true Beale mismanaged his fitness.
It's true we probably should've cashed in earlier - though to sell you need a buyer, and this is a bit of outcome bias
It's true that he did not appear particularly happy under Critchley
It looks like he's long decided he's not going to sign another contract here and we have to sell
It seems very unlikely that Ainsworth, a man who doesn't even have a pig's ear to sow into a purse but is trying to mould some cartilage together to give the impression of an ear, would suddenly bin off our biggest goal threat and best crossed for no reason.
You can be unhappy that we're losing one of the best players we've had in recent times, whilst also thinking that under the maxim "maximum effort is the minimum requirement" his performances have been unacceptable. A sad denouement all round, but it's time to go because he doesn't want to be here, and there are players who do [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 15:30]
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:32 - Aug 14 with 4109 views | PhilmyRs |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:13 - Aug 14 by Hunterhoop |
This isn’t a debate about who is a bigger c**t.
Warnock went “this is how I want to play”, and, when on the pitch, Adel did what was asked of him. He did it brilliantly well.
Ainsworth has played 4 formation since he was here, but in all he has demanded work rate as his foundation. Willock has not displayed that. Picking him would be pandering to him.
If Warnock had said I want all 11 to work hard, he would have been pandering to him. He allowed different rules for Adel because the team was set up that way. It was set up for Adel to be different. Adel’s performances and ability enabled that.
If Ainsworth allowed Willock to play and not work hard, his whole base would be undermined.
He may have considered taking the approach Warnock conscientiously decided on and decided we’d be worse off because of the impact on everyone else’s work rates. Fair call. Warnock had loads of excellent, experienced, hard working pros. When Ainsworth came in, he had young, fairly weak blokes. And the team hadn’t been working hard for some time,
So, decision made on approach, he can’t now pander to him or the players have all the power. Adel did what Warnock wanted after he’d decided on approach. It is different. |
So, I don't disagree that you can't pander to Chris Willock and set the team up to suit him, he's not that good. Although I'm not convinced it's just the player at fault. I do think it's clear the way GA wanted to play, was not suited to the type of player (both ability and fragility) of Chris Willock.
But where we disagree is how we see Warnock's management of Adel and 'pandering' and that treating an 'indiivdual' differently to everyone else was actually key to our success. Warnock made allowances for Adel's behaviour on and off the pitch, that he wouldn't have done for anyone else. When you pander to someone your 'providing what someone wants, especially when it is not acceptable, reasonable, or approved of, usually in order to get some personal advantage'. Now, you may take the argument it was accepted by the players and approved of by them so not pandering. But to me, knowing the behaviour of someone is totally at odds with yours and the teams values, the player gets away with things nobody else in the team ever would, is 'pandering' to them and in the Adel example Warnock "got the personal advantage' by his performances on the pitch. Adel wanted to pee off to Morocco for a few days, Warnock would give him want he wanted because it would benefit the team so he was afforded special treatment.
You see Warnock's approach as part of a wider, approved strategy that all the players bought into and so therefore isn't pandering. I see it as making allowances for someone, no matter how many times they breached discipline and codes of conduct because of what he gives to you which shows in a team sport, you can be successful by pandering to an individual. | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:38 - Aug 14 with 4027 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:15 - Aug 14 by daveB |
He's not gonna find a way to contribute if he's never picked, started just 2 games since Ainsworth came in, only 4 under Critchley. I find it all a bit odd how we've gone from him coming on at Norwich to a heroes welcome last November to hardly ever playing again |
Are you not forgetting the injuries? He wasn't fit for most of last season. | | | |
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:40 - Aug 14 with 3992 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:17 - Aug 14 by daveB |
It is partly the clubs fault though, if you sell the club to players with a model of we'll develop you and sell you on and then you don't sell them they are likely to get pissed off |
Agree that this is a possibility, Dave, and I agree with you that we're maybe too quick to hang all this on Willock being a bad egg. I think we all know nothing here, but we know enough about life to know that situations are rarely, if ever, that simple. |  |
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:43 - Aug 14 with 3948 views | kensalriser |
The stupid thing about this situation is that both the club and Willock lose. If he's sold it will be for a fraction of what he might have been worth and from Willock's point of view, there's no good exit available because he won't get the move he could have and is quite likely to end up at another club he thinks he's too good for and having to fight his way into the team. At this point I doubt he'll even get a bigger salary offer - if he wants a good move he needs to be playing regularly and performing well. |  |
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:57 - Aug 14 with 3780 views | WatfordR |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 14:44 - Aug 14 by Blue_Castello |
But we're back to the narrative of being the clubs fault, as I said in more detail in my last post the only way it's the clubs fault if you blame Les for agreeing to Beales demands of not selling any of our players, the club did the exhaustive recruitment process and chose what they thought was the best candidate
What we can put it down to is a very unfortunate set of circumstances, one which the club is desperately trying to rebuild from. As far as Willocks form is concerned he was poor against Preston and needed to be subbed, the bloke didn't even want to run and gave the impression he didn't want to be a part of the team, I agree most players need a run of games to get up to speed but they need to show that they want to be part of the team.
That's enough for me for now were just going over the same ground, have a good day.... [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 15:04]
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Like most, I'm in the camp of selling Willock, especially if it enable us to keep Chair. I see no chance that GA will play both at the same time, so having one sat on the bench is a luxury we can't afford. He's got a year left, and I think 2 mil would be good.
I think we should probably also remember that the club's hands were somewhat tied in terms of selling last year as CW was only just coming back from a long lay off, so they may have felt it was worth holding on until the January window, where he might have attracted a decent offer, particularly if he'd continued playing as he did before his injury up at Sheff U. So perhaps a bit of bad luck, or a gamble gone wrong, depending on your view.
HOWEVER, I have to take up the point about club allowing Beale to dictate that no players were sold. If we have a business model in place, and that involves selling a player each season for the best money we can get, then allowing Beale to make demands that don't fit in with that model means he wasn't the best candidate for us. And employing him under those circumstances can't be anyone else's fault but our club's, can it?
We'd taken our gamble on promotion the previous season, it hadn't worked, and as a club we really should have started swallowing the consequences of that failed gamble last Summer. |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:00 - Aug 14 with 3732 views | daveB |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:38 - Aug 14 by ChrisNW6 |
Are you not forgetting the injuries? He wasn't fit for most of last season. |
not forgetting them at all, it's been part of why he hasn't played much but this is again where the club don't help themselves. They could have said last week, Willock has a knock and won't travel but they say nothing and allow people to assume whatever they want when he doesn't play. Then they say he is injured and plenty of people call bullshit
We had the same situation last year where we could never be told if he was fit or not so we are all just assuming Ainsworth didn't want to pick him due to how he trains, attitude etc | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:01 - Aug 14 with 3704 views | denhamhoop2 |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 22:54 - Aug 13 by numptydumpty |
Ainsworth has been brutal to Willock.
First game 97th minute injury time appearance. Second game not even on bench and club ie Ainsworth said minor knock
The wording, the treatment is dire.
If that happened to me and I had his potential that would make me wish to leave.
None of it looks good in anyways.
Stupid IMO, as rebuilding Willocks form and confidence could really boost him as a saleable asset !!! |
Might have something to do with "No Dickheads" because for about 9 months he has wandered around and flitted in and out of games he started in or came on as sub. Reminds me very much of Trevor Sinclair at the end of his QPR career when he quite clearly wanted out such a shame because there is a very talented player in there | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:11 - Aug 14 with 3596 views | E17hoop |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:16 - Aug 14 by 100percent |
Wow, five pages and counting..... this one is going to outfly the Wing rumour.... |
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:12 - Aug 14 with 3576 views | Blue_Castello |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:57 - Aug 14 by WatfordR |
Like most, I'm in the camp of selling Willock, especially if it enable us to keep Chair. I see no chance that GA will play both at the same time, so having one sat on the bench is a luxury we can't afford. He's got a year left, and I think 2 mil would be good.
I think we should probably also remember that the club's hands were somewhat tied in terms of selling last year as CW was only just coming back from a long lay off, so they may have felt it was worth holding on until the January window, where he might have attracted a decent offer, particularly if he'd continued playing as he did before his injury up at Sheff U. So perhaps a bit of bad luck, or a gamble gone wrong, depending on your view.
HOWEVER, I have to take up the point about club allowing Beale to dictate that no players were sold. If we have a business model in place, and that involves selling a player each season for the best money we can get, then allowing Beale to make demands that don't fit in with that model means he wasn't the best candidate for us. And employing him under those circumstances can't be anyone else's fault but our club's, can it?
We'd taken our gamble on promotion the previous season, it hadn't worked, and as a club we really should have started swallowing the consequences of that failed gamble last Summer. |
Yup it's somebody's fault for agreeing to Beales demands and I guess that sadly falls in the lap of the Director of Football, he could have been outvoted by the board but then everybody is fed up if they interfere and the truth is we will never know who made the final decision but that's what you employ a Director of Football to do surely.
We can go backwards and forwards we should never have given Warbs so much spending power the season where we lost £21.5 million, it happened and we just have to move on support Ainsworth as he's finally getting the players in to give us a fighting chance in the division. [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 16:17]
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:40 - Aug 14 with 3283 views | simmo |
The thing amongst all this, is how disappointing it is that his stock has fallen so far - for both us and him. A Stoke fan online the other day said he'd take Chair but Willock wouldn't get in their squad. Not in the team at Stoke, FFS! Imagine the drop off where that's the case.
A sad indictment of just how bad this last 12 months have been at QPR. |  |
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| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:45 - Aug 14 with 3205 views | Northernr |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:40 - Aug 14 by simmo |
The thing amongst all this, is how disappointing it is that his stock has fallen so far - for both us and him. A Stoke fan online the other day said he'd take Chair but Willock wouldn't get in their squad. Not in the team at Stoke, FFS! Imagine the drop off where that's the case.
A sad indictment of just how bad this last 12 months have been at QPR. |
Yeh, seventh in 442's top 50 players thing a year ago if I remember rightly.
As I said about Ethan Laird a week ago, some of these players have carried on at QPR over the last 18 months as if people in football don't talk to each other and build pictures and reputations of people. Laird went from being THE best player in that position in this league, and a fantastic summer signing for us I couldn't believe we'd got over the line, to yeh you can go to Birmingham for £500k mate. |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:46 - Aug 14 with 3199 views | mart_Goblin |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 09:24 - Aug 14 by BuckR |
Im surprised we haven't looked at Dabo who was released from Coventry tbh |
Thought the same thing . Was very impressed with him at LR a season or 2 ago |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 17:02 - Aug 14 with 3073 views | HanwellHoopster |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:46 - Aug 14 by mart_Goblin |
Thought the same thing . Was very impressed with him at LR a season or 2 ago |
Asked a big Cov mate this question. Apparently had a nasty injury and was a much poorer player last season as a result. However, apparently a good character in the dressing room and staff/players/fans loved him there. Sounds like one of those signings that would be a gamble with a decent upside if it came off, but with low-ish risk given wages won't be too high. Just not sure we can gamble with that RB slot... | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 17:05 - Aug 14 with 3034 views | eastside_r |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 16:45 - Aug 14 by Northernr |
Yeh, seventh in 442's top 50 players thing a year ago if I remember rightly.
As I said about Ethan Laird a week ago, some of these players have carried on at QPR over the last 18 months as if people in football don't talk to each other and build pictures and reputations of people. Laird went from being THE best player in that position in this league, and a fantastic summer signing for us I couldn't believe we'd got over the line, to yeh you can go to Birmingham for £500k mate. |
And did you see the penalty he got at the weekend. Hilarious because it was against Leeds but really FFS? |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 18:03 - Aug 14 with 2660 views | Paddyhoops |
I wonder what the definition of a maverick footballer is ?
Capable of brilliance and not doing the dirty side of the game like not tracking back and having a bit of a sulk when things are not going their way.
Generally Mavericks contribute to the cause and let’s be honest what has Willock done since he came back into the side. Not a whole lot and he’s attitude has been found wanting.
I was critical of Dickies form last season but Christ he tried and gave his all.
I wish Willock well wherever he goes but he needs to go and soon . | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 18:15 - Aug 14 with 2607 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 17:02 - Aug 14 by HanwellHoopster |
Asked a big Cov mate this question. Apparently had a nasty injury and was a much poorer player last season as a result. However, apparently a good character in the dressing room and staff/players/fans loved him there. Sounds like one of those signings that would be a gamble with a decent upside if it came off, but with low-ish risk given wages won't be too high. Just not sure we can gamble with that RB slot... |
We've been down that road before and been burnt (JCS being the latest example). With the squad thin and funds limited, availability is going to be key this season. The last thing we need right now is to take a punt on another crock. |  | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 18:21 - Aug 14 with 2561 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 15:40 - Aug 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree that this is a possibility, Dave, and I agree with you that we're maybe too quick to hang all this on Willock being a bad egg. I think we all know nothing here, but we know enough about life to know that situations are rarely, if ever, that simple. |
That's why, rather than speculate on why Willock's form has fallen off a cliff, I'm simplifying matters by focusing on what we do know. He hasn't played well for a while, is in the final year of his contract, refuses to sign an extension, and QPR need to balance the books. Sell. | | | |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 18:28 - Aug 14 with 2526 views | Dorse |
| Willock to Boro latest Twitter rumour on 12:13 - Aug 14 by francisbowles |
Just take a look at his face during the haka video. |
I like to think that, somewhere, there is a group of Maori rugby players being made to Morris Dance by their new manager, all making that face. |  |
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