| Energy Companies 23:11 - Jul 7 with 10669 views | max936 |
We are owed a 4 figure sum off an energy company exposed by Watchdog on the One Show earlier in the week, we've emailed Watchdog but surprisingly they don't want to know.
Anybody had a similar experience by them of another company, if yes did they resolve the issue if yes how?
Ombudsman is next to useless, and the energy company in question keeps fobbing us off and are clearly intent on not paying up. |  |
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| Energy Companies on 08:47 - Jul 16 with 966 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Companies on 08:13 - Jul 16 by max936 |
I don't need to look anything up and I don't need any advice on roof pitches or the Sun either.
Solar panels can virtually go anywhere, even flat roofs, with the aid of these things called angled brackets, its all amazing stuff. |
Correct and they certainly do not need to be pointing due South. |  |
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| Energy Companies on 08:53 - Jul 16 with 962 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 08:00 - Jul 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Probably more a reflection on the running of Western Power than anything else. Plus of course the Nimbies who don't want more investment in infrastructure for the national grid. |
Western Power are now part of National Grid and have been for 8 or more months, National Grid acquired Western Power in mid 2021. | |
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| Energy Companies on 08:55 - Jul 16 with 956 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 08:47 - Jul 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct and they certainly do not need to be pointing due South. |
I didn't say they needed to be, I said to get the best benefit from them its best if they are situated pointing South. | |
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| Energy Companies on 08:57 - Jul 16 with 953 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Companies on 08:53 - Jul 16 by max936 |
Western Power are now part of National Grid and have been for 8 or more months, National Grid acquired Western Power in mid 2021. |
Hopefully now that Western Power is part of the National Grid it will be run more efficiently in the interest of the country and consumers. | |
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| Energy Companies on 09:26 - Jul 16 with 935 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 08:57 - Jul 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Hopefully now that Western Power is part of the National Grid it will be run more efficiently in the interest of the country and consumers. |
wtf you on about, always been one of the best companies to work for, do you actually know what they do.
And why aren't they run efficiently now then? | |
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| Energy Companies on 10:39 - Jul 16 with 898 views | Pacemaker |
| Energy Companies on 12:50 - Jul 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is sad that anyone still thinks that "Renewables are they way forward".
They destabalise the Grid, costing millions every year in balancing costs.
They need almost 100% backup by nuclear or FF generation.
They have half the generating life of nuclear and FF generators.
They require subsidies and carbon taxes on FF to make them economic.
They are more fragile and prone to damage in bad weather.
They are going to be an eco nightmare when they need replacing.
They are an environmental disaster for birds, bees and bats. Now it also looks like they are also a disaster for Whales as well.
It appears thta they may also increase the likelyhood of droughts due to evaporation.
It is not a coincedence that the countries with the highest penetration of renewables also have the highest Electricity costs.
They have already cost the world $3.5Trillion in investment to just manage 10% of world electricity generation. That is before any kind of electrification of transport or home heating.
Global Warming and Net zero are the biggest joke (and profit generator for the rich) ever played on mankind. |
A straight lift from the fossil fuel supporting lobby, a lot of hot air literally. How anyone from the FF lobby can quote wind tidal and solar as damaging for the environment with a straight face is beyond me!
Norway is probably the best example of a country that has ample energy supplies in its oil, gas and thermal energy sources and has gone almost entirely green through thermal, solar and wind policies it has the highest uptake and use of EV and other alternative fuel vehicles.
Household battery systems are coming down in price and the ability to store solar or wind means that many households will be balancing the grid in the future by being part of a massive storage system that can be accessed by the grid during peak periods and refilled by the grid during night periods and or excess generation.
We share our national grid with Norway (both ways) fossil fuels are going to be very much a minor part of the energy system in the future….it is also running out so what is your plan once we have used all the fossil fuel, nuclear? |  |
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| Energy Companies on 10:41 - Jul 16 with 898 views | majorraglan |
| Energy Companies on 08:00 - Jul 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Probably more a reflection on the running of Western Power than anything else. Plus of course the Nimbies who don't want more investment in infrastructure for the national grid. |
It’s a U.K. wide problem and not confined to one power distribution company or region. Ofgem and the government have had a mare with this, despite the drive towards renewables companies and projects are facing up to 15 year waits for connections meanwhile National Grid’s profit was £4.6bn last year. They’ve got a monopoly and they’re raking in billions at our expense. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 12:08 - Jul 16 with 881 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 10:41 - Jul 16 by majorraglan |
It’s a U.K. wide problem and not confined to one power distribution company or region. Ofgem and the government have had a mare with this, despite the drive towards renewables companies and projects are facing up to 15 year waits for connections meanwhile National Grid’s profit was £4.6bn last year. They’ve got a monopoly and they’re raking in billions at our expense. |
Most of these big companies are raking in billions, National Grid aren't unique in that respect. | |
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| Energy Companies on 13:41 - Jul 16 with 853 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Energy Companies on 11:43 - Jul 14 by Boundy |
There are many forms of electricity generation and new technology advancing all the time, aa a country after privatisation we had no clear policy on generation and as we see now we're playing catch up due to the amount of coal fired stations being made redundant . I couldn't predict when we a would become self sufficient but the country is making great strides towards being fossil fuel free . Battery energy storage sites are popping up every where and yes we can debate the cost v reward but coal / fire stations always came with a price to the environment .
To me it makes sense to utilise the free stuff which is a constant , tides , wind and to a lesser extent solar .
Why planning consent on new builds is is given without the proviso that any south facing roof has to have solar panels fitted is a mystery to me. |
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| Energy Companies on 14:46 - Jul 16 with 840 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Companies on 13:41 - Jul 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Great post. |
No not a great post, it is totally unrealistic and full of green bull.
Battery storage has no other use than for balancing the grid, the imbalance caused by Wind outages.
Unless Nuclear is used this country can never be fossil fuel free, it is and always will be required for backup.
Wind Solar and tides are anything but "constant" and require backup for when the wind isn't blowing, the sun isn't shining and tides are out.
I suppose we could use fairy dust and Unicorn farts instead. [Post edited 16 Jul 2023 14:52]
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| Energy Companies on 15:26 - Jul 16 with 819 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Companies on 10:39 - Jul 16 by Pacemaker |
A straight lift from the fossil fuel supporting lobby, a lot of hot air literally. How anyone from the FF lobby can quote wind tidal and solar as damaging for the environment with a straight face is beyond me!
Norway is probably the best example of a country that has ample energy supplies in its oil, gas and thermal energy sources and has gone almost entirely green through thermal, solar and wind policies it has the highest uptake and use of EV and other alternative fuel vehicles.
Household battery systems are coming down in price and the ability to store solar or wind means that many households will be balancing the grid in the future by being part of a massive storage system that can be accessed by the grid during peak periods and refilled by the grid during night periods and or excess generation.
We share our national grid with Norway (both ways) fossil fuels are going to be very much a minor part of the energy system in the future….it is also running out so what is your plan once we have used all the fossil fuel, nuclear? |
Your response is lifted straight from the eco/green lobby.
If you think Wind & Solar do not damage the environment then you have done no research at all.
Are thousands of Concrete bases not environmental damage?
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/the-cost-of-decommissi
Is not millions of tons of Turbine blades going in to landfill not environmental damage?
Quote "A study by the University of Cambridge estimated that 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste will be generated by 2050, most of which will be disposed of in landfills. Europe is expected to decommission 25,000 tonnes of blades a year by 2025, and 52,000 tonnes a year by 2030. WindEurope has called on landfills to ban decommissioned wind turbine blades by 2025."
Is not destroying 14million trees in Scotland to clear the way for Turbine farms not environmental damage?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18270734.14m-trees-cut-scotland-make-way-win
Isn't millions of tons of Solar panels going to land fill environmental damage?
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/solar-panel-waste-the-dark-side-of-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-17/are-some-solar-panels-toxic-/100757
You obviously do not consider Birds & Bees to be part of the environment.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348790564_Insect_fatalities_at_wind_tur
Whats a few million killed each year?
Then you have the naivity to quote Norway as a good example of a Green Country and cluelessly say "and has gone almost entirely green through thermal, solar and wind policies".
Which is of course complete bull and shows you no nothing about Norway's energy generation & consumption.
They have always relied on Hydro for the vast majority of their generation, currently around 70%.
Their other contributors are
Oil - 18.5%
Gas - 7.5%
Wind - 5.4%
Other renewables - 0.14%
Solar - 0.09%
It would be nice if we had 70% Hydro as well, perhaps you wouldn't mind if we just drown every valley in Wales and Scotland to achieve just some of it.
You then talk about "that many households will be balancing the grid in the future by being part of a massive storage system that can be accessed by the grid during peak periods and refilled by the grid during night periods and or excess generation."
Which shows that you have no idea of the amounts of energy required or about Frequency Response, Reactive Power and System Inertia.
Or how long we sometimes have to go without Wind or Solar providing more than a couple of percent of our requirements.
To answer your question, yes Nuclear, SMRs and MSRs and to use up every scrap of our own Fossil Fuels, the coal alone will keep us going for a couple of hundred years.
ps, it goes without saying that you did not even arrempt to answer the other problems listed, like Subsidies, Backup, short life times, Fragility to bad weather, causing high prices wherever there is high penetration and the massive costs even before we go "electric everything".
You would make a great politician. [Post edited 16 Jul 2023 15:40]
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| Energy Companies on 18:01 - Jul 16 with 782 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Energy Companies on 15:26 - Jul 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Your response is lifted straight from the eco/green lobby.
If you think Wind & Solar do not damage the environment then you have done no research at all.
Are thousands of Concrete bases not environmental damage?
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/the-cost-of-decommissi
Is not millions of tons of Turbine blades going in to landfill not environmental damage?
Quote "A study by the University of Cambridge estimated that 43 million tonnes of wind turbine blade waste will be generated by 2050, most of which will be disposed of in landfills. Europe is expected to decommission 25,000 tonnes of blades a year by 2025, and 52,000 tonnes a year by 2030. WindEurope has called on landfills to ban decommissioned wind turbine blades by 2025."
Is not destroying 14million trees in Scotland to clear the way for Turbine farms not environmental damage?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18270734.14m-trees-cut-scotland-make-way-win
Isn't millions of tons of Solar panels going to land fill environmental damage?
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/solar-panel-waste-the-dark-side-of-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-01-17/are-some-solar-panels-toxic-/100757
You obviously do not consider Birds & Bees to be part of the environment.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348790564_Insect_fatalities_at_wind_tur
Whats a few million killed each year?
Then you have the naivity to quote Norway as a good example of a Green Country and cluelessly say "and has gone almost entirely green through thermal, solar and wind policies".
Which is of course complete bull and shows you no nothing about Norway's energy generation & consumption.
They have always relied on Hydro for the vast majority of their generation, currently around 70%.
Their other contributors are
Oil - 18.5%
Gas - 7.5%
Wind - 5.4%
Other renewables - 0.14%
Solar - 0.09%
It would be nice if we had 70% Hydro as well, perhaps you wouldn't mind if we just drown every valley in Wales and Scotland to achieve just some of it.
You then talk about "that many households will be balancing the grid in the future by being part of a massive storage system that can be accessed by the grid during peak periods and refilled by the grid during night periods and or excess generation."
Which shows that you have no idea of the amounts of energy required or about Frequency Response, Reactive Power and System Inertia.
Or how long we sometimes have to go without Wind or Solar providing more than a couple of percent of our requirements.
To answer your question, yes Nuclear, SMRs and MSRs and to use up every scrap of our own Fossil Fuels, the coal alone will keep us going for a couple of hundred years.
ps, it goes without saying that you did not even arrempt to answer the other problems listed, like Subsidies, Backup, short life times, Fragility to bad weather, causing high prices wherever there is high penetration and the massive costs even before we go "electric everything".
You would make a great politician. [Post edited 16 Jul 2023 15:40]
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I think you both make some fair points which is why the way forward lies in the middle somewhere. A mix of resurces that provides the best outome.
PS, Gwyn, it's hardly child like to piint out that whatever saves the UK can make have already been wiped out by Chinese and Indian increases in pollution. We need thse 2 countries (and Russia and the USA) to get on the bandwagon and make the savings needed otherwise pollution will keep on rising whatever WE do. We're not talking supposition or whataboutery here, it's a genuine fact, Chinese out put in harmful emissions has grown more in the last 10 years than the total we can save. What we can achieve is akin to taking a water pistol to a forest fire.
That doesn't mean the world shouldn't be trying but simply that 4 countries are doing a lot of damage and need to improve.
We also shouldn't ignore all that "a fands dad" says because some of it is very pertinent, some of the so called eco solutions are actally doing damage. We are digging up and destroying habitats. We are killing birds and insects (and insects are already 40% fewer than 20 years ago) and putting tonne after tonne of concrete and metal onto green land. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 18:18 - Jul 16 with 771 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 17:51 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
What, so you don't like that I agreed with you? Dear me Mun max  |
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| Energy Companies on 18:23 - Jul 16 with 763 views | Gwyn737 |
| Energy Companies on 18:01 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
I think you both make some fair points which is why the way forward lies in the middle somewhere. A mix of resurces that provides the best outome.
PS, Gwyn, it's hardly child like to piint out that whatever saves the UK can make have already been wiped out by Chinese and Indian increases in pollution. We need thse 2 countries (and Russia and the USA) to get on the bandwagon and make the savings needed otherwise pollution will keep on rising whatever WE do. We're not talking supposition or whataboutery here, it's a genuine fact, Chinese out put in harmful emissions has grown more in the last 10 years than the total we can save. What we can achieve is akin to taking a water pistol to a forest fire.
That doesn't mean the world shouldn't be trying but simply that 4 countries are doing a lot of damage and need to improve.
We also shouldn't ignore all that "a fands dad" says because some of it is very pertinent, some of the so called eco solutions are actally doing damage. We are digging up and destroying habitats. We are killing birds and insects (and insects are already 40% fewer than 20 years ago) and putting tonne after tonne of concrete and metal onto green land. |
My point was Cat, is that’s it’s hypocritical for us to criticise the likes of China when we’ve pushed our manufacturing out there and continue to buy their goods back.
Trouble is with climate change discussion is in many cases lines have been drawn via political allegiances and not the the science. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 18:28 - Jul 16 with 760 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 18:01 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
I think you both make some fair points which is why the way forward lies in the middle somewhere. A mix of resurces that provides the best outome.
PS, Gwyn, it's hardly child like to piint out that whatever saves the UK can make have already been wiped out by Chinese and Indian increases in pollution. We need thse 2 countries (and Russia and the USA) to get on the bandwagon and make the savings needed otherwise pollution will keep on rising whatever WE do. We're not talking supposition or whataboutery here, it's a genuine fact, Chinese out put in harmful emissions has grown more in the last 10 years than the total we can save. What we can achieve is akin to taking a water pistol to a forest fire.
That doesn't mean the world shouldn't be trying but simply that 4 countries are doing a lot of damage and need to improve.
We also shouldn't ignore all that "a fands dad" says because some of it is very pertinent, some of the so called eco solutions are actally doing damage. We are digging up and destroying habitats. We are killing birds and insects (and insects are already 40% fewer than 20 years ago) and putting tonne after tonne of concrete and metal onto green land. |
What we do will make little difference in the grand scheme of things to global warming, when these massive countries doing very little if anything to help,, we've been brain washed by governments, its their excuse to rob us of yet more of our hard earned. | |
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| Energy Companies on 18:33 - Jul 16 with 758 views | max936 |
| Energy Companies on 18:23 - Jul 16 by Gwyn737 |
My point was Cat, is that’s it’s hypocritical for us to criticise the likes of China when we’ve pushed our manufacturing out there and continue to buy their goods back.
Trouble is with climate change discussion is in many cases lines have been drawn via political allegiances and not the the science. |
Great post and bang on! | |
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| Energy Companies on 18:37 - Jul 16 with 756 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Energy Companies on 18:23 - Jul 16 by Gwyn737 |
My point was Cat, is that’s it’s hypocritical for us to criticise the likes of China when we’ve pushed our manufacturing out there and continue to buy their goods back.
Trouble is with climate change discussion is in many cases lines have been drawn via political allegiances and not the the science. |
Who pushed the manufacturing out there? It wasn't us pushing it was business owners taking their factories to the countries with dirt cheap labour so they could coin it in.
Even call centres were relocated to those countries to "save money" but I dont htink the government advocated for moving factories abroad as good for this country, which it definitely hasn't been.
So the question stands, who pushed our manufacturing out there? | | | |
| Energy Companies on 18:39 - Jul 16 with 754 views | majorraglan |
| Energy Companies on 14:46 - Jul 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
No not a great post, it is totally unrealistic and full of green bull.
Battery storage has no other use than for balancing the grid, the imbalance caused by Wind outages.
Unless Nuclear is used this country can never be fossil fuel free, it is and always will be required for backup.
Wind Solar and tides are anything but "constant" and require backup for when the wind isn't blowing, the sun isn't shining and tides are out.
I suppose we could use fairy dust and Unicorn farts instead. [Post edited 16 Jul 2023 14:52]
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Renewables defo have a part to play and can meet a lot of our needs, but they have to be harnessed with things like nuclear power which can make up the shortfall when needed. There is no Reston why every new build house cannot be fitted with solar from the outset which could provide the hot water and electricity. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 18:45 - Jul 16 with 753 views | Gwyn737 |
| Energy Companies on 18:37 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Who pushed the manufacturing out there? It wasn't us pushing it was business owners taking their factories to the countries with dirt cheap labour so they could coin it in.
Even call centres were relocated to those countries to "save money" but I dont htink the government advocated for moving factories abroad as good for this country, which it definitely hasn't been.
So the question stands, who pushed our manufacturing out there? |
Greedy people. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 19:42 - Jul 16 with 733 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Companies on 18:01 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
I think you both make some fair points which is why the way forward lies in the middle somewhere. A mix of resurces that provides the best outome.
PS, Gwyn, it's hardly child like to piint out that whatever saves the UK can make have already been wiped out by Chinese and Indian increases in pollution. We need thse 2 countries (and Russia and the USA) to get on the bandwagon and make the savings needed otherwise pollution will keep on rising whatever WE do. We're not talking supposition or whataboutery here, it's a genuine fact, Chinese out put in harmful emissions has grown more in the last 10 years than the total we can save. What we can achieve is akin to taking a water pistol to a forest fire.
That doesn't mean the world shouldn't be trying but simply that 4 countries are doing a lot of damage and need to improve.
We also shouldn't ignore all that "a fands dad" says because some of it is very pertinent, some of the so called eco solutions are actally doing damage. We are digging up and destroying habitats. We are killing birds and insects (and insects are already 40% fewer than 20 years ago) and putting tonne after tonne of concrete and metal onto green land. |
Cat, the industrially rising countries have no intention of making their products dearer and their people poorer by using Renewable energy to any great extent. They all know Oil, Coal and Gas are still kings where cheap power is required.
The people running this country are trying to sell the dream of NetZero which is in fact a nightmarethat they have no clue about.
Can you name any "green" initiatives that have not led to unintended consequences that made things worse? | | | |
| Energy Companies on 19:45 - Jul 16 with 732 views | Boundy |
| Energy Companies on 18:45 - Jul 16 by Gwyn737 |
Greedy people. |
Greedy Companies ? I purchased an items for my car which is of german origin, a high end brand name , the part was manufactured in China
The UK has not been manufacturing country since the early 90s and we know whose policies firstly led us to the state we find ourselves today. | |
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| Energy Companies on 19:51 - Jul 16 with 731 views | Gwyn737 |
| Energy Companies on 19:45 - Jul 16 by Boundy |
Greedy Companies ? I purchased an items for my car which is of german origin, a high end brand name , the part was manufactured in China
The UK has not been manufacturing country since the early 90s and we know whose policies firstly led us to the state we find ourselves today. |
Greedy people? 🤣 | | | |
| Energy Companies on 06:41 - Jul 17 with 678 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Energy Companies on 18:45 - Jul 16 by Gwyn737 |
Greedy people. |
Exactly.
Those greedy people are doing further damage all in the name of bigger profits and they don't care about the damage they do.
I wonder how many companies say the right things in the UK (maybe across Europe) but have factories/premises across the far east and Asia that are producing major pollution.
Greed is what is killing us. The cost of living crisis is partly down to greed. Look at the record profits some companies make. Look at the RAC saying petrol is over priced because while wholesale prices have come down prices at the pump haven't matched that. | | | |
| Energy Companies on 06:49 - Jul 17 with 676 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Energy Companies on 19:42 - Jul 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Cat, the industrially rising countries have no intention of making their products dearer and their people poorer by using Renewable energy to any great extent. They all know Oil, Coal and Gas are still kings where cheap power is required.
The people running this country are trying to sell the dream of NetZero which is in fact a nightmarethat they have no clue about.
Can you name any "green" initiatives that have not led to unintended consequences that made things worse? |
Yes I know, green initiatives have drawbacka too.
The people running this country (as I have kept saying) are a bunch of self serving, greedy, lying, hypocrites. We need political change on a scale that will never happen because our politicians are the ones we need to make that change.
The drive for net zero is an overblown promise that is also drivingthe cost of living crisis and causing other problems.
The Senedd won't improve infrastructure because of the "climate crisis" so Wales stagnates, businesses leave OR they don't come here in the first place when maybe they would have.
All these green taxes and then we give green energy comanies massive subsidies AND our unit prices are much higher too, they coin it at both ends, we are being ripped off on a massive scale.
It doesn't mean that we shouldn't try and help our planet rather than keep destroying it, people like you and me, AFD, we are not the problem. Big business, bad politicians and greedy people, they are the problem. | | | |
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