| Notice of Intended prosecution 09:40 - Oct 15 with 10098 views | jack_lord |
What a start to the day.
Wife has had a notice of intended prosecution for not wearing a seatbelt.
Almost certainly that was me because she never drives when I have a week off and she wouldn't drive without one.
What we call the speed camera van probably caught whoever was responsible.
What I am actually saying is don't drive without a seat belt because those vans aren't just there to catch you speeding. |  |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 11:26 - Oct 16 with 1953 views | onehunglow |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 11:18 - Oct 16 by monmouth |
That was my thought too. Why would someone not wear a seatbelt? They like eating glass or getting a steering column up their sternum? Oh, yeah, it’ll never happen to them, only someone else. |
I remember them first becoming compulsory.Hell,I Remember fitting a few myself.
Ma hated them and like now many clowns arguing against facts .
They save lives
I couldn’t drive 3 yds without one. My car won’t let me anyway .
I also didn’t like compulsory crash helmets until seeing my friend s brains splattered over St Helens Rd . Not a pretty sight . |  |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 14:06 - Oct 16 with 1909 views | jack_lord |
Just to go back to the start (and thanks Keith)
My end point is clear. Wear a seat belt not just because of the safety issues but because the speed/safety vans can catch you with a video/photograph.
I drive millions of miles because of my job and my company vehicle will scream and scream at me so no chance of getting anywhere without wearing it. I was almost certainly driving wife's car but have been guilty a few times of jumping in and out of that vehicle and doing the "round the corner journeys and the audible alarm is silent compared to mine.
I'm not condoning not wearing a seatbelt. I'm saying it happens and I'm saying that the camera guy will get you. | |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 17:22 - Oct 16 with 1864 views | controversial_jack |
A safety camera partnership (also casualty reduction partnership, safer roads partnership) is a local multi-agency partnership between local government, police authorities, Her Majesty's Courts Service, Highways England/Welsh Government, and the National Health Service within the United Kingdom. Their aim is to enforce speed limits and red traffic lights by the use of cameras.
Surely, the judicial system shouldn't be working in partnership with anyone? They should be totally independant | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:02 - Oct 16 with 1844 views | majorraglan |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 17:22 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack |
A safety camera partnership (also casualty reduction partnership, safer roads partnership) is a local multi-agency partnership between local government, police authorities, Her Majesty's Courts Service, Highways England/Welsh Government, and the National Health Service within the United Kingdom. Their aim is to enforce speed limits and red traffic lights by the use of cameras.
Surely, the judicial system shouldn't be working in partnership with anyone? They should be totally independant |
In Wales the Safety Camera Partnership is called Go Safe and the Courts and NHS aren’t involved, it’s the 22 councils,4 Police Forces and Welsh Government. They also have a section which deals with dash cam submissions called Op Snap. Devon and Cornwall police are really keen on this and they put some of their cases on You Tube, it’s worth a look to see what they deal with and the fines issued. The really heavy fines are given to the drivers who fail to reply to the request for drive details. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 08:24 - Oct 17 with 1772 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:02 - Oct 16 by majorraglan |
In Wales the Safety Camera Partnership is called Go Safe and the Courts and NHS aren’t involved, it’s the 22 councils,4 Police Forces and Welsh Government. They also have a section which deals with dash cam submissions called Op Snap. Devon and Cornwall police are really keen on this and they put some of their cases on You Tube, it’s worth a look to see what they deal with and the fines issued. The really heavy fines are given to the drivers who fail to reply to the request for drive details. |
Thanks for that. It's good to know the courts are independent of any money making schemes in Wales | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 15:38 - Oct 17 with 1712 views | Sirjohnalot |
I’ve typed a reply a few times but have restrained myself from replying to some of the more interesting posts. (Had we lost 3-0 this would be about 3 pages long : ))
First thing you must do is reply identifying the driver, if you don’t you face six points. There’s nothing wrong with asking for picture evidence, I’ve never heard of a NIP for not wearing a seatbelt. May be worth giving SWP a ring to check it’s genuine first.
Don’t ignore it, don’t cite common law. Don’t become a story in the Evening Post
Message me if you need anything further [Post edited 17 Oct 2021 17:22]
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 16:37 - Oct 17 with 1686 views | KeithHaynes |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 15:38 - Oct 17 by Sirjohnalot |
I’ve typed a reply a few times but have restrained myself from replying to some of the more interesting posts. (Had we lost 3-0 this would be about 3 pages long : ))
First thing you must do is reply identifying the driver, if you don’t you face six points. There’s nothing wrong with asking for picture evidence, I’ve never heard of a NIP for not wearing a seatbelt. May be worth giving SWP a ring to check it’s genuine first.
Don’t ignore it, don’t cite common law. Don’t become a story in the Evening Post
Message me if you need anything further [Post edited 17 Oct 2021 17:22]
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Is the right answer. |  |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:46 - Oct 18 with 1611 views | pikeypaul |
The scum on here seem happy to break the law, but then when caught try anything to get the charge dropped although they admit the offence.
If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime. |  |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:55 - Oct 18 with 1607 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:46 - Oct 18 by pikeypaul |
The scum on here seem happy to break the law, but then when caught try anything to get the charge dropped although they admit the offence.
If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime. |
It's not a crime, it's a motoring offence | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 16:05 - Oct 18 with 1567 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:55 - Oct 18 by controversial_jack |
It's not a crime, it's a motoring offence |
For which you can end up in the Magistrates Court and receive 6 points on your licence and ultimately go to prison for not paying any fine attributable to it.
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And lying about it, could end up with you before the court for Perverting the Course of Justice and going to prison as did an MP a few years ago, so it's not something that can be taken lightly. [Post edited 18 Oct 2021 16:07]
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 17:08 - Oct 18 with 1543 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 16:05 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
For which you can end up in the Magistrates Court and receive 6 points on your licence and ultimately go to prison for not paying any fine attributable to it.
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And lying about it, could end up with you before the court for Perverting the Course of Justice and going to prison as did an MP a few years ago, so it's not something that can be taken lightly. [Post edited 18 Oct 2021 16:07]
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In itself, it is not a criminal offence though. You don't need to lie about it, just find a way around them, which I have done successfully. [Post edited 18 Oct 2021 17:09]
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:10 - Oct 18 with 1508 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 17:08 - Oct 18 by controversial_jack |
In itself, it is not a criminal offence though. You don't need to lie about it, just find a way around them, which I have done successfully. [Post edited 18 Oct 2021 17:09]
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Are you going to expand ? | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 21:13 - Oct 18 with 1471 views | raynor94 |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:10 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
Are you going to expand ? |
I'm waiting with bated breath |  |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 21:23 - Oct 18 with 1459 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:10 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
Are you going to expand ? |
I like to find a way around the wording | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 21:26 - Oct 18 with 1453 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 21:23 - Oct 18 by controversial_jack |
I like to find a way around the wording |
Right. Ok.
Not sure the law works like that but, ok. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 13:07 - Oct 19 with 1383 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 21:26 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
Right. Ok.
Not sure the law works like that but, ok. |
The best way to deal with any conflict, disciplinary proceedings,etc is to sort things out before it get's to the formal stage.
In the case of disciplinary proceedings, try to muddy the waters and suggest that you will bring others into it if you have to - subtly of course. Management, do not like a fuss, they want to apportion blame and get it over and done with asap.
That was a technique used by Abe Lincoln when he was practising law, and it has worked for me in my working life. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:47 - Oct 19 with 1333 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 13:07 - Oct 19 by controversial_jack |
The best way to deal with any conflict, disciplinary proceedings,etc is to sort things out before it get's to the formal stage.
In the case of disciplinary proceedings, try to muddy the waters and suggest that you will bring others into it if you have to - subtly of course. Management, do not like a fuss, they want to apportion blame and get it over and done with asap.
That was a technique used by Abe Lincoln when he was practising law, and it has worked for me in my working life. |
Ok.not sure what that has to do with Notice of Intended Prosecutions. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 23:36 - Oct 19 with 1282 views | JackUlation |
Dont ask for proof, ask for a photograph of the alleged offence, asking for proof is like an admission of guilt. but good advice from poster. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 00:47 - Oct 20 with 1257 views | RonaldStump |
The ease with which people simply comply beggars belief.
It's no wonder the world is in such a mess taking anything up the arris no questions asked.
We've been conditioned from a very early age to do as we are told like good little children, they have resorted to de maculating men these days to weaken us. We;ve been divided, age race gender medical status and still people can't see through it.
As has been said if you are not up for the fight then keep complying like a subservient melt and things will never change for you, they have you by the nuts.
Thankfully more and more people are waking up to this tyranny and eventually we will get there to overturn the rats running the world. | |
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| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:51 - Oct 20 with 1219 views | controversial_jack |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 00:47 - Oct 20 by RonaldStump |
The ease with which people simply comply beggars belief.
It's no wonder the world is in such a mess taking anything up the arris no questions asked.
We've been conditioned from a very early age to do as we are told like good little children, they have resorted to de maculating men these days to weaken us. We;ve been divided, age race gender medical status and still people can't see through it.
As has been said if you are not up for the fight then keep complying like a subservient melt and things will never change for you, they have you by the nuts.
Thankfully more and more people are waking up to this tyranny and eventually we will get there to overturn the rats running the world. |
Exactly! Many see an official looking letter or someone in a uniform and simply comply | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 18:38 - Oct 20 with 1170 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 10:51 - Oct 20 by controversial_jack |
Exactly! Many see an official looking letter or someone in a uniform and simply comply |
I’m just advising on what must be done to comply with your statutory duty, but this thread is getting a bit weird now, so I’m going to watch the match and hope we get three points. | | | |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 12:17 - Oct 21 with 1113 views | Catullus |
| Notice of Intended prosecution on 23:36 - Oct 19 by JackUlation |
Dont ask for proof, ask for a photograph of the alleged offence, asking for proof is like an admission of guilt. but good advice from poster. |
Asking for proof isn't any kind of admission, it's saying can you prove it? The prosecution have to prove your guilt, they have to supply evidence, they have to disclose evidence when asked too. Or so I believe
Is that right Sirjiohnalot? I'm happy to be corrected. | |
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