| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 155212 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:21 - Jul 3 with 1695 views | lifelong |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:18 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
You said sh1t would hit the fan when Boris announced the restrictions first being lifted.
Where is the dire consequences you and others predicted? [Post edited 3 Jul 2020 18:18]
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Leicester springs to mind. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:25 - Jul 3 with 1690 views | rockinjac |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:21 - Jul 3 by lifelong |
Leicester springs to mind. |
So you can directly attribute it to Boris lifting restrictions?
Really?
Surely, if this would be a National effect? We've had issues in e.g. Ynys Mon
The reality is the graph has plummeted since Boris lifted restrictions. The facts are the facts.
If this was such a blunder why are the other Home Nations following suit a few weeks behind? Surely they'd stay in lockdown? |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:31 - Jul 3 with 1683 views | perplex |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:12 - Jul 3 by Ebo |
Well at least they are alive and able to go places.
If you think this is bad, wait until no deal hits. This will be f uck all compared to the chaos that will bring. No doubt Westminster will blame it on Covid-19.
Sorry but people’s well being and health over economy. You can recover economies but not dead people. |
The vast amount of people who will now die in the not to distant future due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment for the many serious illnesses out there will not be alive and able to go places, you just do not see the bigger picture do you. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:32 - Jul 3 with 1679 views | Ebo |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:18 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
You said sh1t would hit the fan when Boris announced the restrictions first being lifted.
Where is the dire consequences you and others predicted? [Post edited 3 Jul 2020 18:18]
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Leicester for starters, also Rotherham.
Tomorrow we’ll see people out at 6am at the temple of gammon (spoons) out on the lash all day. Can you trust these people to social distance when all swig faced? They are bad enough sober.
Let’s be honest here, everything Boris has touched so far has turned to complete shit.
A million for a paint job on an aeroplane, shame there’s not that level of enthusiasm from him towards the people who actually make the bloody things. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:33 - Jul 3 with 1679 views | rockinjac |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:31 - Jul 3 by perplex |
The vast amount of people who will now die in the not to distant future due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment for the many serious illnesses out there will not be alive and able to go places, you just do not see the bigger picture do you. |
They really don't.
It's like this is the only show in Town.
Mental Health is just one example - I remember day after day on the news about how we should put this on the same level as physical health.
Not anymore Covid is here chaps, therefore tough sh1t man up | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:37 - Jul 3 with 1672 views | Ebo |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:31 - Jul 3 by perplex |
The vast amount of people who will now die in the not to distant future due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment for the many serious illnesses out there will not be alive and able to go places, you just do not see the bigger picture do you. |
Wales was the first to order testing kits. Scuppered by that clown in number 10. The Roche fiasco. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 3 with 1669 views | Ebo |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:33 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
They really don't.
It's like this is the only show in Town.
Mental Health is just one example - I remember day after day on the news about how we should put this on the same level as physical health.
Not anymore Covid is here chaps, therefore tough sh1t man up |
Add in a few pissed up covidiots and we’ll see a rise in domestic abuse too. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 3 with 1669 views | perplex |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:33 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
They really don't.
It's like this is the only show in Town.
Mental Health is just one example - I remember day after day on the news about how we should put this on the same level as physical health.
Not anymore Covid is here chaps, therefore tough sh1t man up |
Yep and stop neglecting the millions that are being stopped from there routine check ups, start seeing these people asap or the deaths caused by this neglect will far outweigh those caused by covid, as I said earlier this is an impending ticking time bomb. | | | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:42 - Jul 3 with 1667 views | lifelong |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:31 - Jul 3 by perplex |
The vast amount of people who will now die in the not to distant future due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment for the many serious illnesses out there will not be alive and able to go places, you just do not see the bigger picture do you. |
On the other hand, if there were no lockdowns in place the hospitals would have been crammed full with Coronavirus victims again denying patients, with other conditions, treatment. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:46 - Jul 3 with 1663 views | rockinjac |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 3 by Ebo |
Add in a few pissed up covidiots and we’ll see a rise in domestic abuse too. |
That literally makes no sense.
You can go to off license you know and you can get plastered inside a house.
It's literally one of the concerns of being locked down.
Try harder next time. Very poor comeback | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:47 - Jul 3 with 1658 views | raynor94 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:10 - Jul 3 by Ebo |
If Drakeford said “sod it let’s open it all up” and we end up in a scenario where cases accelerate and we end up back to square one then you’ll all be saying he ended it too early.
He’s dammed if he doesn’t and dammed if he does.
When the shit hits the fan over the border during the coming months, you’ll say he was right. |
We might need localized lockdown like Leicester in the future of course.
But you can't keep people locked down for ever, sadly it's the elderly and people with underlying health issues who are most at risk, you can't keep the majority locked down for the few.
Welsh hospitality on it's knees for another week at least. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:52 - Jul 3 with 1638 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 3 by perplex |
Yep and stop neglecting the millions that are being stopped from there routine check ups, start seeing these people asap or the deaths caused by this neglect will far outweigh those caused by covid, as I said earlier this is an impending ticking time bomb. |
They have already started seeing patients. I had a letter for a CT scan on the 14th. Drakeford has confirmed in his question and answer session this afternoon that things have progressed. I was told by a specialist nurse that she had been really busy and she only deals with outpatients. Things are going back to normal. I was led to believe that there are no coronavirus patients currently in Morriston and the Royal Gwent tweeted there was no coronavirus patients there for the first time since it began. These are the second and third biggest hospitals in Wales.
Drakeford announced this morning that there were 19 critical care patients in Wales There were 27 last week 33 the week before and I think it was 43 the week before. There are 560 patients with covid related illnesses currently down from 760 a week ago. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:55 - Jul 3 with 1630 views | lifelong |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:47 - Jul 3 by raynor94 |
We might need localized lockdown like Leicester in the future of course.
But you can't keep people locked down for ever, sadly it's the elderly and people with underlying health issues who are most at risk, you can't keep the majority locked down for the few.
Welsh hospitality on it's knees for another week at least. |
The majority of the population of West Wales holiday destinations are elderly, locations such as St David’s who’s population trebles during the holiday season.
If such destinations had been open during this pandemic it would have decimated the local population. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:58 - Jul 3 with 1626 views | LeonWasGod |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:31 - Jul 3 by perplex |
The vast amount of people who will now die in the not to distant future due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment for the many serious illnesses out there will not be alive and able to go places, you just do not see the bigger picture do you. |
Hang on, you were commenting about Wales not being open enough for people to holiday here, which is why Ebo mentioned the priority on health. How do you get from that to the impact on other serious illnesses? They're not related.
There is an effect of the hospitals having to commit resources away from other activities, nobody's denying that. The bigger issue is that the NHS is being run so lean that there's no capacity to deal with Covid unless resources are moved from other areas. But the lockdown length and whether people can come on holiday here doesn't affect this. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:09 - Jul 3 with 1611 views | rockinjac |
To those commenting who seem to favour the lockdown continuing.
What is your strategy?
Genuine question. What is your end goal? Do you think we can just sit this out until the virus is gone?
That's the only conclusion I get from what you're saying because as I see it you seem even more conservative than Drakeford.
I'm fascinated by how you think that is anyway sustainable. But I'll ask again what is your overall strategy? Sit in your houses with an occasional walk to the shop in the hope of a potential vaccine? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:12 - Jul 3 with 1609 views | longlostjack |
IMO outdoor events with social distancing really aren’t a problem. Keeping that social distancing after a few beers will be for some morons of course. The virus can be easily suppressed in the Summer providing people behave. The real problems will start in the Autumn/Winter. Social distancing might not be enough indoors without adequate ventilation. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:18 - Jul 3 with 1605 views | Ebo |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:47 - Jul 3 by raynor94 |
We might need localized lockdown like Leicester in the future of course.
But you can't keep people locked down for ever, sadly it's the elderly and people with underlying health issues who are most at risk, you can't keep the majority locked down for the few.
Welsh hospitality on it's knees for another week at least. |
Even bigger risk is the music industry and small venues (even big ones under threat too) As most people who know me this is close to my heart as I’m involved in it. Musicians are relying on downloads and bandcamp releases just to get by but the venues are relying on grants just to survive. Scarier still, these venues may not see any live events this side of Christmas so they will go under as the funding will run out, hence the campaign this week for the govt to give a further cash injection to this industry that generates billions per year. You’ll have probably seen the hashtag #letthemusicplay. It’s a tough situation as to how can you have a socially distanced live gig?
Localised lockdown I agree as long as people are sensible about it and the law has to come into enforce it. Businesses have 3 weeks to get ready now, things are slowly opening up, but like I mentioned above, grass roots music venues are going to suffer more than any industry. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:24 - Jul 3 with 1598 views | bennytheblue |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:46 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
That literally makes no sense.
You can go to off license you know and you can get plastered inside a house.
It's literally one of the concerns of being locked down.
Try harder next time. Very poor comeback |
Domestic abuse has gone through the roof apparently during lockdown, maybe with pubs open the c unts that do such things will be happily out of the house and back down the local boring the f uc k out of all and sundry |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:25 - Jul 3 with 1597 views | rockinjac |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:42 - Jul 3 by lifelong |
On the other hand, if there were no lockdowns in place the hospitals would have been crammed full with Coronavirus victims again denying patients, with other conditions, treatment. |
That's not strictly true actually.
There have been covid hospital space that was never used. The most notorious is the Nightingale hospital in England.
Capacity is not an issue at all, it was in the early days and that's why I and others supported locking down at that time.
But the whole point of lockdown was not to wait it out and until the virus disappears it was to give the NHS time to breathe.
That happened a long time ago. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:48 - Jul 3 with 1574 views | lifelong |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:25 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
That's not strictly true actually.
There have been covid hospital space that was never used. The most notorious is the Nightingale hospital in England.
Capacity is not an issue at all, it was in the early days and that's why I and others supported locking down at that time.
But the whole point of lockdown was not to wait it out and until the virus disappears it was to give the NHS time to breathe.
That happened a long time ago. |
The way that the Uk has dealt with this pandemic is nothing short of a disaster, I was reading this morning about Vietnam, they have a population of 100 million and have had 328 cases of Covid19 and not a single death.
It’s interesting to read how they achieved it. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:48 - Jul 3 with 1574 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:09 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
To those commenting who seem to favour the lockdown continuing.
What is your strategy?
Genuine question. What is your end goal? Do you think we can just sit this out until the virus is gone?
That's the only conclusion I get from what you're saying because as I see it you seem even more conservative than Drakeford.
I'm fascinated by how you think that is anyway sustainable. But I'll ask again what is your overall strategy? Sit in your houses with an occasional walk to the shop in the hope of a potential vaccine? |
The figures dont lie and Dakeford and Co are doing an excellent job. At the peak of the epidemic there was 391 cases in Wales in a day. Last Friday there was 46 new cases and today 26. In terms of deaths at the peak there was 43 deaths in a day. Today there was 2.
Last week there was 761 covid related patients in Welsh hospitals. Today there were 561 and over the last few weeks the patients in critical care has dropped from 33 to 27 and today it was 19.
Those are the facts and go to show that the lockdown has been working. A couple of weeks longer and it is likely the figures will be in single figures as todays cases include 7 from Wrexham and 5 unknown addresses which also probably relate to there. Without those cases we are talking 14 cases throughout Wales plus possibly a few more Pillar 2 cases.
It wont take a massive drop for that to be the case. The Wrexham cases will dry up once all the employees in Rowan have been tested and the results provided.
When the figures drop to that level it will make it far safer to open things up. So far schools have been opened up to every pupil which is something hasnt happened elsewhere in the uk. Shops have reopened and the stay local rule is being removed.
I had a letter earlier this week for a CT scan showing that hospitals are coming back to normal. The Royal Gwent Hospital has announced yesterday that it didnt have any patient covid patients for the first time. I have been told Morriston Hospital doesnt have any either. The second and third largest hospitals in Wales dont have any covid patients. Dental and Opthalmology has opened up.
We have gained this and yet some like you want to risk going backwards. In England they have reopened things only to find they have had to lockdown a city the size of Cardiff. There have been reports there might be another 35 local lockdowns. Do you want to go back to that or carry on with our present regime.
There are plans afoot to open up holiday accommodation, hairdressers and hospitality out doors in 10 days time with further changes probably 2 weeks later. In the near future outdoor gyms and playgrounds and football and cricket will be given the green light. If things remain low after opening pubs, cafe and restaurants outdoors they will open indoors in a couple of weeks. Similarly nail bars and beauty salons will open.
We have seen elsewhere what happens if you open too quickly and going down that route is inadviseable. Most things will be open by the beginning of August if the coronavirus rate continues to fall in the way it has recently.
Being impatient and putting at risk the progress we have made is madness. We have nearly defeated covid's first wave as the figures shown and need to learn from others the error of opening up too soon. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:54 - Jul 3 with 1567 views | exiledclaseboy |
“Act sensibly but the pubs are open at 6am tomorrow”.
The UK government is a joke and anyone still pretending their handling of this has been anything other than a catastrophe is deluding themselves. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:12 - Jul 3 with 1547 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:25 - Jul 3 by rockinjac |
That's not strictly true actually.
There have been covid hospital space that was never used. The most notorious is the Nightingale hospital in England.
Capacity is not an issue at all, it was in the early days and that's why I and others supported locking down at that time.
But the whole point of lockdown was not to wait it out and until the virus disappears it was to give the NHS time to breathe.
That happened a long time ago. |
That isn't the case.
The lock down was in place to reduce virus levels in the community to a manageable level and subsequent pressure on the NHS. We've got to that point and now need a gradual and safe return to normality. Somewhere between Drakeford's plan and Boris's IMHO.
Capacity wasn't an issue because the lock down was complied with far more than expected. It still could be an issue over the coming weeks.
If the virus is in wide spread circulation and increasing there are two options, the NHS functions as usual and treats a handful of covid patients and let the rest die or it treats covid patients at the expense of everything else it can't do both, even with the nightingale hospitals.
There are only a couple of ways out of this one is a vaccine the other is local lock downs like Leicester.
I'll be honest I'm worried about England this weekend but see no reason why Wales couldn't relax a bit further. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:21 - Jul 3 with 1533 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:48 - Jul 3 by exhmrc1 |
The figures dont lie and Dakeford and Co are doing an excellent job. At the peak of the epidemic there was 391 cases in Wales in a day. Last Friday there was 46 new cases and today 26. In terms of deaths at the peak there was 43 deaths in a day. Today there was 2.
Last week there was 761 covid related patients in Welsh hospitals. Today there were 561 and over the last few weeks the patients in critical care has dropped from 33 to 27 and today it was 19.
Those are the facts and go to show that the lockdown has been working. A couple of weeks longer and it is likely the figures will be in single figures as todays cases include 7 from Wrexham and 5 unknown addresses which also probably relate to there. Without those cases we are talking 14 cases throughout Wales plus possibly a few more Pillar 2 cases.
It wont take a massive drop for that to be the case. The Wrexham cases will dry up once all the employees in Rowan have been tested and the results provided.
When the figures drop to that level it will make it far safer to open things up. So far schools have been opened up to every pupil which is something hasnt happened elsewhere in the uk. Shops have reopened and the stay local rule is being removed.
I had a letter earlier this week for a CT scan showing that hospitals are coming back to normal. The Royal Gwent Hospital has announced yesterday that it didnt have any patient covid patients for the first time. I have been told Morriston Hospital doesnt have any either. The second and third largest hospitals in Wales dont have any covid patients. Dental and Opthalmology has opened up.
We have gained this and yet some like you want to risk going backwards. In England they have reopened things only to find they have had to lockdown a city the size of Cardiff. There have been reports there might be another 35 local lockdowns. Do you want to go back to that or carry on with our present regime.
There are plans afoot to open up holiday accommodation, hairdressers and hospitality out doors in 10 days time with further changes probably 2 weeks later. In the near future outdoor gyms and playgrounds and football and cricket will be given the green light. If things remain low after opening pubs, cafe and restaurants outdoors they will open indoors in a couple of weeks. Similarly nail bars and beauty salons will open.
We have seen elsewhere what happens if you open too quickly and going down that route is inadviseable. Most things will be open by the beginning of August if the coronavirus rate continues to fall in the way it has recently.
Being impatient and putting at risk the progress we have made is madness. We have nearly defeated covid's first wave as the figures shown and need to learn from others the error of opening up too soon. |
The figures don't lie. UK figures of new infections were at the lowest level since March, despite outside spaces in England being open and utilised for weeks. Wales had around 10% of new UK cases despite having 5% of the population. Well done Drakeford!
This weekend could be a catastrophe in England but so could Wales economy if Drakeford dithers for much longer. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:26 - Jul 3 with 1524 views | WarwickHunt |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:54 - Jul 3 by exiledclaseboy |
“Act sensibly but the pubs are open at 6am tomorrow”.
The UK government is a joke and anyone still pretending their handling of this has been anything other than a catastrophe is deluding themselves. |
Government in name only.
Like Trump, Boris and his Brexiter pals are campaigning first and governing a very distant second. |  | | |
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