| Is this racist? 10:41 - Nov 24 with 2519 views | Darran |
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| Is this racist? on 10:43 - Nov 24 with 1991 views | exiledclaseboy |
It’ll be five pages by teatime. |  |
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| Is this racist? on 10:50 - Nov 24 with 1976 views | Fireboy2 |
No as iirc the bbc are using postive action to target under represented groups in its organisation.
Most organisations use this system. |  | | |
| Is this racist? on 13:49 - Nov 24 with 1906 views | dickythorpe |
| Is this racist? on 10:43 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
It’ll be five pages by teatime. |
Especially if the job advert asked for all candidates to bring a flag of their choice [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 14:53]
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| Is this racist? on 13:58 - Nov 24 with 1877 views | sainthelens |
They should go full on and ask for pre-op as well. |  | | |
| Is this racist? on 14:38 - Nov 24 with 1866 views | Neath_Jack |
Do you want it to be? |  |
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| Is this racist? on 14:40 - Nov 24 with 1854 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Is this racist? on 10:50 - Nov 24 by Fireboy2 |
No as iirc the bbc are using postive action to target under represented groups in its organisation.
Most organisations use this system. |
It's positive discrimination there not positive action. |  | | |
| Is this racist? on 14:41 - Nov 24 with 1851 views | bluey_the_blue |
What if you self-identify as say Asian? | | | |
| Is this racist? on 14:52 - Nov 24 with 1841 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is this racist? on 14:40 - Nov 24 by bluey_the_blue |
It's positive discrimination there not positive action. |
No it isn’t. Positive discrimination would be (for example) allowing candidates from all ethnicities to apply and then discounting those from one ethnicity in the basis of that characteristic. It’s illegal.
Positive action is taking steps to address underrepresentation by offering schemes such as the one highlighted, which is the very definition of positive action. | |
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| Is this racist? on 14:58 - Nov 24 with 1819 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Is this racist? on 14:52 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
No it isn’t. Positive discrimination would be (for example) allowing candidates from all ethnicities to apply and then discounting those from one ethnicity in the basis of that characteristic. It’s illegal.
Positive action is taking steps to address underrepresentation by offering schemes such as the one highlighted, which is the very definition of positive action. |
It's still preventing anybody not fitting those ethnic criteria from applying though, because their applications will be rejected.
Underrepresentation needs to be addressed sure but the only way you can do that is encouraging people of all ethnicities to apply, having the best candidate get the role irrespective of ethnicity. We need to get to the position of the best candidate getting the job.
Should somebody with say less skill get a job over someone with more skill due to their ethnicity? | | | |
| Is this racist? on 15:00 - Nov 24 with 1827 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is this racist? on 14:58 - Nov 24 by bluey_the_blue |
It's still preventing anybody not fitting those ethnic criteria from applying though, because their applications will be rejected.
Underrepresentation needs to be addressed sure but the only way you can do that is encouraging people of all ethnicities to apply, having the best candidate get the role irrespective of ethnicity. We need to get to the position of the best candidate getting the job.
Should somebody with say less skill get a job over someone with more skill due to their ethnicity? |
So we’re agreed it’s not positive discrimination then. Good.
I agree that we need to get to the position of the best candidate getting the job. Until we’re at that position, I’m in favour of schemes such as this which look to address underrepresentation. | |
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| Is this racist? on 15:07 - Nov 24 with 1805 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Is this racist? on 15:00 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
So we’re agreed it’s not positive discrimination then. Good.
I agree that we need to get to the position of the best candidate getting the job. Until we’re at that position, I’m in favour of schemes such as this which look to address underrepresentation. |
It's still discrimination.
Your CV goes straight in the bin if White, British. You may have years more experience than other candidates, but that's irrelevant.
Aim may be noble enough but you don't solve history discrimination by then introducing more discrimination imo. It can introduce resentment in teams, especially if the person chosen isn't as good in the role as would reasonably be expected. It tells successful candidates "well, we've taken you on for noble reasons but there may well have been better candidates".
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If the role was to work on say Asian specific themes then I'd agree with it tbh. The insight and knowledge through life experience would be invaluable. For a general role though, no. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 15:09]
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| Is this racist? on 16:19 - Nov 24 with 1772 views | Jango |
| Is this racist? on 15:00 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
So we’re agreed it’s not positive discrimination then. Good.
I agree that we need to get to the position of the best candidate getting the job. Until we’re at that position, I’m in favour of schemes such as this which look to address underrepresentation. |
Why does there need to be equal representation before we give jobs to the best candidate? If having the best person for the job means there’s 100% black people or 100% Asian or 100% white people in that organisation, then so be it. Absolutely pathetic. | | | |
| Is this racist? on 16:36 - Nov 24 with 1736 views | controversial_jack |
When they stated from a non whit background it became discriminatory and therefore racist | | | |
| Is this racist? on 16:43 - Nov 24 with 1721 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Is this racist? on 16:36 - Nov 24 by controversial_jack |
When they stated from a non whit background it became discriminatory and therefore racist |
Indeed.
Jews are an ethnic minority; skin colour is irrelevant. | | | |
| Is this racist? on 17:30 - Nov 24 with 1693 views | Fireboy2 |
| Is this racist? on 14:40 - Nov 24 by bluey_the_blue |
It's positive discrimination there not positive action. |
Positive discrimination is illegal. | | | |
| Is this racist? on 17:31 - Nov 24 with 1689 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is this racist? on 17:30 - Nov 24 by Fireboy2 |
Positive discrimination is illegal. |
Yeah I’ve told him that but he doesn’t get it. | |
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| Is this racist? on 17:38 - Nov 24 with 1677 views | Fireboy2 |
| Is this racist? on 17:31 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Yeah I’ve told him that but he doesn’t get it. |
Positive discrimination has been generally prohibited since 2010 under the equality act, thats why the bbc can get away with targeting a person from that certain group, under positive action.
I came across it whilst trying to get into the fire brigade who at the time used positive discrimination to try and get people from under represented groups to join. | | | |
| Is this racist? on 18:01 - Nov 24 with 1638 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Is this racist? on 17:31 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Yeah I’ve told him that but he doesn’t get it. |
I do get it.
There's still discrimination there, like it or not.
If the ad was reversed ( White, British only ) then how can it be argued that's not discriminatory? | | | |
| Is this racist? on 18:34 - Nov 24 with 1601 views | WandererJack |
It should be the best person for the job regardless of anything else. |  | | |
| Is this racist? on 19:36 - Nov 24 with 1545 views | LeonWasGod |
| Is this racist? on 15:07 - Nov 24 by bluey_the_blue |
It's still discrimination.
Your CV goes straight in the bin if White, British. You may have years more experience than other candidates, but that's irrelevant.
Aim may be noble enough but you don't solve history discrimination by then introducing more discrimination imo. It can introduce resentment in teams, especially if the person chosen isn't as good in the role as would reasonably be expected. It tells successful candidates "well, we've taken you on for noble reasons but there may well have been better candidates".
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If the role was to work on say Asian specific themes then I'd agree with it tbh. The insight and knowledge through life experience would be invaluable. For a general role though, no. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 15:09]
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You need to get a hobby. You’re getting as bad as that E20 fella was. |  | | |
| Is this racist? on 21:16 - Nov 24 with 1507 views | PozuelosSideys |
You cant advertise a job and exclude candidates based on skin colour or ethnicity no matter which one it is, even if the job is obviously meant for a minority person. Its descrimination. Just as only advertsiing for one gender or age based.
Im amazed the BBC havent clocked that. |  |
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| Is this racist? on 22:53 - Nov 24 with 1464 views | pembsjack |
Of course, its racist, if I advertise for staff next week and ask for white applicants and no one from minority background I would be dragged through the sh"t backwards. | | | |
| Is this racist? on 01:36 - Nov 26 with 1332 views | JackSomething |
| Is this racist? on 15:07 - Nov 24 by bluey_the_blue |
It's still discrimination.
Your CV goes straight in the bin if White, British. You may have years more experience than other candidates, but that's irrelevant.
Aim may be noble enough but you don't solve history discrimination by then introducing more discrimination imo. It can introduce resentment in teams, especially if the person chosen isn't as good in the role as would reasonably be expected. It tells successful candidates "well, we've taken you on for noble reasons but there may well have been better candidates".
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If the role was to work on say Asian specific themes then I'd agree with it tbh. The insight and knowledge through life experience would be invaluable. For a general role though, no. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 15:09]
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Your CV would go straight in the bin because you can't read or understand the criteria for the post. Just like it would if you applied for a job that required a degree and you didn't have one. Would that be discrimination? |  |
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| Is this racist? on 01:36 - Nov 26 with 1331 views | JackSomething |
According to some people on Twitter. | |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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