| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK 16:15 - Sep 30 with 7997 views | trampie |
A no deal Brexit could lead to the breakup of the UK, Ireland might unite and Scotland might well leave the union, support for Wales to leave will grow if either Scotland or N.Ireland go, if both go the possibility of Wales becoming independent will greatly increase.
Unionists wanting to leave the EU is potentially going to destroy the union state of the UK, one has to laugh at the unionists  .
Wales wont stand for perpetual right wing Governments that Westminster will provide, Wales wont stand for the increased poverty and austerity of the let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer policies from England. |  |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:22 - Sep 30 with 4161 views | omarjack |
OMG so it's like a bad episode of Love Island. |  |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:35 - Sep 30 with 4152 views | trampie |
Let Brexit be, the harder the Brexit the better in the long run as it will bust the UK apart and we can get rid of English right wing Governments forever.
"Revenge for Gwenllian!" | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:38 - Sep 30 with 4141 views | omarjack |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:35 - Sep 30 by trampie |
Let Brexit be, the harder the Brexit the better in the long run as it will bust the UK apart and we can get rid of English right wing Governments forever.
"Revenge for Gwenllian!" |
To replace it with a Welsh right wing government.
Success. [Post edited 30 Sep 2018 18:39]
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:42 - Sep 30 with 4128 views | trampie |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:38 - Sep 30 by omarjack |
To replace it with a Welsh right wing government.
Success. [Post edited 30 Sep 2018 18:39]
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Hardly, a Welsh Socialist Republican group will rule Wales with the blessing of the people, it will be a great day. | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 21:17 - Sep 30 with 4080 views | Catullus |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:42 - Sep 30 by trampie |
Hardly, a Welsh Socialist Republican group will rule Wales with the blessing of the people, it will be a great day. |
Apart from all the football fans when they realise their tem is kicked out of the English leagues and ends up with away trips to Caersws, Llansantffraid and Cardiff Corries.
Self rule by a socialist government.......what could go wrong. We already know which pigs are more equal. |  |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 22:00 - Sep 30 with 4043 views | trampie |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 21:17 - Sep 30 by Catullus |
Apart from all the football fans when they realise their tem is kicked out of the English leagues and ends up with away trips to Caersws, Llansantffraid and Cardiff Corries.
Self rule by a socialist government.......what could go wrong. We already know which pigs are more equal. |
You mean the occupied territories will have the audacity to try and stop us playing on our own land ? | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 22:43 - Sep 30 with 4016 views | trampie |
I notice Mumph the political cartoonist has put out lots of tweets all along the lines of lets have Brexit so it will hasten the end of the union and lead to independence for Wales.
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 07:38 - Oct 1 with 3937 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:42 - Sep 30 by trampie |
Hardly, a Welsh Socialist Republican group will rule Wales with the blessing of the people, it will be a great day. |
An independent Wales should follow Ireland and join the EU.
Like independent Scotland will.
That works for me.
I hope an independent England would also join the EU.
All that said, i do not want anyone - except Tory voters - to feel the pain of Brexit.
I would much rather stop thecar crash. |  |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 07:49 - Oct 1 with 3922 views | Kilkennyjack |
Yes and the figures are dreadful.
Mind you the rest includes and EU average of 15% ..
Hungary* 9.4%
Czech Republic 7.6%
Netherlands 6.9%
Estonia* 6.8%
Germany 6.1%
Malta 4.8% | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 08:06 - Oct 1 with 3896 views | Nookiejack |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 07:49 - Oct 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes and the figures are dreadful.
Mind you the rest includes and EU average of 15% ..
Hungary* 9.4%
Czech Republic 7.6%
Netherlands 6.9%
Estonia* 6.8%
Germany 6.1%
Malta 4.8% |
The other countries have low populations except for Germany (which controls the EU because it bankrolls it).. Compare them to the populations of Italy and Spain.
The issue is Greece, Italy and Spain are locked into one interest rate and one exchange rate.
EU didn't share the pain of financial crisis between Creditors (German banks and German taxpayers) of the above countries and those countries. The pain has all been taken by the citizens of the above countries.
Creditors have responsibilities when they lend too much money. Yet EU has let them get away with it.
ECB still using QE (printing money) to buy the Govt bonds of the above countries, to keep the interest rates of the Govt bonds of those countries, down to ultra low rates. That is the only chance they have.
The reference Interest rate of the Eurozone is still negative. | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 08:58 - Oct 1 with 3864 views | raynor94 |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 22:43 - Sep 30 by trampie |
I notice Mumph the political cartoonist has put out lots of tweets all along the lines of lets have Brexit so it will hasten the end of the union and lead to independence for Wales.
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Independence for Wales? Could the last person leaving please switch off the lights |  |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:19 - Oct 1 with 3848 views | LeonWasGod |
The only problem with that is that Wales HAS stood for perpetual right wing Governments that Westminster has provide, and Wales HAS stood for the increased poverty and austerity of the let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer policies from England. |  | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:28 - Oct 1 with 3843 views | johnlangy |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 08:58 - Oct 1 by raynor94 |
Independence for Wales? Could the last person leaving please switch off the lights |
No need Raynor. Wales generates so much power that we'd sell 50% of it to England.
If they don't buy it maybe they'll be the ones to have to switch off the lights  . | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:29 - Oct 1 with 3840 views | johnlangy |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:19 - Oct 1 by LeonWasGod |
The only problem with that is that Wales HAS stood for perpetual right wing Governments that Westminster has provide, and Wales HAS stood for the increased poverty and austerity of the let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer policies from England. |
Pardon! How has Wales stood for perpetual right wing governments and the Tories austerity programme ? | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 10:11 - Oct 1 with 3802 views | Catullus |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:29 - Oct 1 by johnlangy |
Pardon! How has Wales stood for perpetual right wing governments and the Tories austerity programme ? |
Because there is no massive support for independence. The latest poll showed 27% and 47% against, 26% undecided. Even if all the undecideds came down in favour of independence it wouldn't ne a massive majority, split them equally and it becomes 60:40 for remaining in the union, but we all know how badly wrong polls can be.
The only poll you can truly trust is a full national poll so maybe the WAG needs to ask the question and then we'll know. Taking a survey of 1000 people then "weighting" it is hardly proof of anything. | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 10:17 - Oct 1 with 3797 views | Catullus |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 08:58 - Oct 1 by raynor94 |
Independence for Wales? Could the last person leaving please switch off the lights |
The problem is only the rich could afford to leave, who do the rest of us sell our houses to?
Johnlangy....owning 5% of ever public building is all well and good but how much is that in cash terms? Is it enough to fund the rebuilding of Wales? We'd probably be better off putting the billions(?) into a high interest bank account and using 80% of the interest (we have to increase the pot) to invest.
If disentangling form the EU is so hard, how hard would disentangling from the union be? | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 10:53 - Oct 1 with 3776 views | LeonWasGod |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 09:29 - Oct 1 by johnlangy |
Pardon! How has Wales stood for perpetual right wing governments and the Tories austerity programme ? |
With reasonable support. There the second largest party in Wales (granted, labour have considerably more support).
Maybe I'm over-stating, but they're considerably more popular than Plaid (which is where Trampie was coming from). | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 11:47 - Oct 1 with 3737 views | trampie |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 10:11 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
Because there is no massive support for independence. The latest poll showed 27% and 47% against, 26% undecided. Even if all the undecideds came down in favour of independence it wouldn't ne a massive majority, split them equally and it becomes 60:40 for remaining in the union, but we all know how badly wrong polls can be.
The only poll you can truly trust is a full national poll so maybe the WAG needs to ask the question and then we'll know. Taking a survey of 1000 people then "weighting" it is hardly proof of anything. |
You are missing the big picture of what might happen in the near future and that is if there is a hard Brexit then N.I and Scotland might well go, obviously they may not but its not pie in the sky to speculate that there is a reasonable chance the union will break and a domino effect is likely to take place, if either N.Ireland or Scotland go there is a very good chance the other will follow and that leaves Wales and if the Welsh see themselves as not doing well and perceive a united Ireland and Scotland to be doing well as in doing better than England and Wales and that is possible as well as the Republic of Ireland is ahead of the UK in many measures as it is, with their direction of travel going in a positive direction and the UK and Wales going in a negative direction, Scotland might well become one of the richest countries in the World P4P and then the final domino which is Wales might well go. [Post edited 1 Oct 2018 11:49]
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 12:27 - Oct 1 with 3716 views | BytholWyn |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 08:06 - Oct 1 by Nookiejack |
The other countries have low populations except for Germany (which controls the EU because it bankrolls it).. Compare them to the populations of Italy and Spain.
The issue is Greece, Italy and Spain are locked into one interest rate and one exchange rate.
EU didn't share the pain of financial crisis between Creditors (German banks and German taxpayers) of the above countries and those countries. The pain has all been taken by the citizens of the above countries.
Creditors have responsibilities when they lend too much money. Yet EU has let them get away with it.
ECB still using QE (printing money) to buy the Govt bonds of the above countries, to keep the interest rates of the Govt bonds of those countries, down to ultra low rates. That is the only chance they have.
The reference Interest rate of the Eurozone is still negative. |
You make some valid points - but everything you say applies to the way the UK government (only more so) dealt with the financial crisis in 2008 - brought about by irresponsible lending and light-touch regulation. Do you seriously think that a post-Brexit hard right Tory government is going to be more responsible in its approach to fiscal regulation that it currently is? Especially, as is very likely, we enter into a free trade deal with a Trumpist USA - who will have us over a barrel and will demand removal of our remaining threadbare safeguards.
There should be bankers in the UK still languishing in jail for the events that led to the 2008 crash - and all those bankers who were paid multi-million pound bonuses on the back of feckless lending should have had their ill-gotten gains clawed back. What did we get instead? 10 years of austerity, and counting, with the poorest and most vulnerable in society picking up the tab. Not only that, but the regulations brought in post-2008 were piss-poor, with a bit of extra capitalization and little else. The emergence of companies like Wonga post-2008, with their obscene lending rates, says all you need to know about how serious the Tory hard right fanatics are about financial regulation.
Gordon Brown recently warned of the on-going vulnerability of the world banking system https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/12/we-are-in-danger-of-sleepwalkin Putting aside the special pleading about his government's role in creating this state of affairs, he makes some very valid points. We haven't (globally as well as in the UK) recognised the seriousness of the risk of things going tits up again. If we were serious about the underlying issues then the Glass-Steagall Act - the bedrock of prosperity in the States and further afield, from the Great Depression until its repeal in 1991 - would have been re-instated for a start. Brown talks about problems in emerging markets in the Far East as being the catalyst for another financial crisis. It could just as easily be a no-deal Brexit that provides the catalyst, especially given London's major role in global markets. |  | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 12:39 - Oct 1 with 3704 views | Nookiejack |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 11:47 - Oct 1 by trampie |
You are missing the big picture of what might happen in the near future and that is if there is a hard Brexit then N.I and Scotland might well go, obviously they may not but its not pie in the sky to speculate that there is a reasonable chance the union will break and a domino effect is likely to take place, if either N.Ireland or Scotland go there is a very good chance the other will follow and that leaves Wales and if the Welsh see themselves as not doing well and perceive a united Ireland and Scotland to be doing well as in doing better than England and Wales and that is possible as well as the Republic of Ireland is ahead of the UK in many measures as it is, with their direction of travel going in a positive direction and the UK and Wales going in a negative direction, Scotland might well become one of the richest countries in the World P4P and then the final domino which is Wales might well go. [Post edited 1 Oct 2018 11:49]
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EU is currently challenging Ireland's low tax corporate environment.
https://www.ft.com/content/fac76fd1-7cf6-3abb-8fad-5cebfd6d96bd | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 12:46 - Oct 1 with 3691 views | trampie |
Ireland is getting too successful for the Germans and French to stomach. | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:03 - Oct 1 with 3621 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 12:46 - Oct 1 by trampie |
Ireland is getting too successful for the Germans and French to stomach. |
For (future) Wales see Ireland. | |
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| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:09 - Oct 1 with 3614 views | trinityann |
Could? maybe? | | | |
| Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK on 18:11 - Oct 1 with 3613 views | Dr_Winston |
Plaid Cymru lost their deposits in almost half of the seats in Wales at the last election. They were right down there with the Monster Raving Loonies, which is apt really.
The idea that there's a longing to throw off the chains and declare Welsh independence anywhere apart from within a small, but noisy, minority of whackos is an amusing one. |  |
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