| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 115199 views | hubble |
..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).
Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...
"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)
Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’
In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.
The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.
To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.
I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:08 - Jun 3 with 1716 views | Harbour |
I do no agree with all of JC ideas but after the last 7 years the country needs a bit of evening up the gap between the top and bottom. As for strong and stable forget it. Public sector and private sector pay held down for so long bit rich TM telling the nurses to survive on 1% when MPs got 11%. If as I suspect the torys scrape a majority the next 5 years going to be very hard expect riots and public disorder not that I advocate that approach |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:27 - Jun 3 with 1692 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:08 - Jun 3 by Harbour |
I do no agree with all of JC ideas but after the last 7 years the country needs a bit of evening up the gap between the top and bottom. As for strong and stable forget it. Public sector and private sector pay held down for so long bit rich TM telling the nurses to survive on 1% when MPs got 11%. If as I suspect the torys scrape a majority the next 5 years going to be very hard expect riots and public disorder not that I advocate that approach |
expect riots and public disorder
and strikes with the teachers and healthcare workers and many more |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:38 - Jun 3 with 1673 views | Boston |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:27 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
expect riots and public disorder
and strikes with the teachers and healthcare workers and many more |
Same old Britain,eh? | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:42 - Jun 3 with 1668 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:38 - Jun 3 by Boston |
Same old Britain,eh? |
Poll Tax will look like a tea party | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:47 - Jun 3 with 1659 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
May saying they won't raise tax, ok so the only way to pay anything or not is national insurance and in various stealth taxes and a continuation of austerity CUTS CUTS CUTS
Tories put in the N in Cuts [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 11:50]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:54 - Jun 3 with 1637 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:50 - Jun 3 by essextaxiboy |
For the record they both have ST with me in F block SAR . |
Have you offered Clive a a prawn sandwich | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:13 - Jun 3 with 1615 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:54 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Have you offered Clive a a prawn sandwich |
They only sell humus at the restaraunts in SAR .All the celebs insist on it ... |  | | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:22 - Jun 3 with 1537 views | johncharles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:08 - Jun 3 by Harbour |
I do no agree with all of JC ideas but after the last 7 years the country needs a bit of evening up the gap between the top and bottom. As for strong and stable forget it. Public sector and private sector pay held down for so long bit rich TM telling the nurses to survive on 1% when MPs got 11%. If as I suspect the torys scrape a majority the next 5 years going to be very hard expect riots and public disorder not that I advocate that approach |
Whatever the final result, Theresa May is dead in the water. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 13:36]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:30 - Jun 3 with 1524 views | Boston |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:47 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
May saying they won't raise tax, ok so the only way to pay anything or not is national insurance and in various stealth taxes and a continuation of austerity CUTS CUTS CUTS
Tories put in the N in Cuts [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 11:50]
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We could always try a three day week? | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:31 - Jun 3 with 1523 views | connell10 |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:22 - Jun 3 by johncharles |
Whatever the final result, Theresa May is dead in the water. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 13:36]
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May just looks dead , a sort of bumbling zombie type scarecrow on legs! As ive said before she just comes across as a old biddy at a cream tea shop! |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:41 - Jun 3 with 1509 views | johncharles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:31 - Jun 3 by connell10 |
May just looks dead , a sort of bumbling zombie type scarecrow on legs! As ive said before she just comes across as a old biddy at a cream tea shop! |
Her own people are turning against her. Lots of mutterings about how she got it wrong calling. an early election | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:46 - Jun 3 with 1498 views | derbyhoop |
I'm struggling to think of any time in my adult life where there are so many nonentities.
May sticks to sound bites, in the absence of any detailed policy.
Corbin is not the ogre the media painted but cannot command the support of the PLP. Can anybody really see him as PM?
The LibDem message is not getting across.
UKIP are finished under the scouse Alf Garnett
And we're just about to start the most important negotiations for 40 years.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:24 - Jun 3 with 1478 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I know you can't trust polls but YouGove .. it's going to be hung. if so they will be hanging May out to dry [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 14:25]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:37 - Jun 3 with 1381 views | sevenhoop |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:47 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
May saying they won't raise tax, ok so the only way to pay anything or not is national insurance and in various stealth taxes and a continuation of austerity CUTS CUTS CUTS
Tories put in the N in Cuts [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 11:50]
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Good. Let's have loads more 'cuts' so that the huge amount of taxes I pay every year (because I worked my arse off to get a profession, have worked 80 hour plus weeks for over 30 years, have taken considerable financial risks which has directly led to good, well paid employment for dozens of people and still does, have lost countless nights' sleep worrying about the business) does not get spunked away on a bunch of failed and lazy socialist 'I-want-as-much-as-you', green-eyed people who would have no clue about how to generate wealth to keep the economy afloat. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:41 - Jun 3 with 1374 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:37 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
Good. Let's have loads more 'cuts' so that the huge amount of taxes I pay every year (because I worked my arse off to get a profession, have worked 80 hour plus weeks for over 30 years, have taken considerable financial risks which has directly led to good, well paid employment for dozens of people and still does, have lost countless nights' sleep worrying about the business) does not get spunked away on a bunch of failed and lazy socialist 'I-want-as-much-as-you', green-eyed people who would have no clue about how to generate wealth to keep the economy afloat. |
I bet your employees love you. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:44 - Jun 3 with 1373 views | sevenhoop |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:41 - Jun 3 by DannytheR |
I bet your employees love you. |
They do, actually, because i pay them well and treat them well. And they share in any success. At least half have been with me for over 15 years | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:58 - Jun 3 with 1366 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:37 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
Good. Let's have loads more 'cuts' so that the huge amount of taxes I pay every year (because I worked my arse off to get a profession, have worked 80 hour plus weeks for over 30 years, have taken considerable financial risks which has directly led to good, well paid employment for dozens of people and still does, have lost countless nights' sleep worrying about the business) does not get spunked away on a bunch of failed and lazy socialist 'I-want-as-much-as-you', green-eyed people who would have no clue about how to generate wealth to keep the economy afloat. |
Let's have loads more 'cuts
I guess you also mean the disabled, those with dementia, those with mental illness issues, those hard working nurses (it's a profession right ?) that earn the same now as in 2009, those pensioners that worked just as hard as you that will have to hand over their life savings and homes, those under 35 who will have a lifetime of debt and never own their own home no matter how hard they work.......... just to name a few.
You're the nice guy right. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 19:06]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:15 - Jun 3 with 1342 views | sevenhoop |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:58 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Let's have loads more 'cuts
I guess you also mean the disabled, those with dementia, those with mental illness issues, those hard working nurses (it's a profession right ?) that earn the same now as in 2009, those pensioners that worked just as hard as you that will have to hand over their life savings and homes, those under 35 who will have a lifetime of debt and never own their own home no matter how hard they work.......... just to name a few.
You're the nice guy right. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 19:06]
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All laudable and deserving people (though i do chuckle at the faux outrage that people wont be able to pass on their hard-earned to their children if they have to pay for care). HOweverm, yousocialists are all the same: you want eutopia, but have no idea how to pay for it, except to raise taxes on companies and wealth-generators, which, in a short space of time, leads to less money in the coffers, so all of those eutopian ideals can never be fulfilled in anything but the short run, and those deserving people of whom you speak, will be worse off, like the rest of us. Witness the 1970s disasterous Labour mess, the mess created by Gordon Brown once he let go of the purse strings, and just look across to the basket case that is Venezuala, where your no-doubts hero Chavez completely bankrupted the country.
And, btw, i am a really nice bloke, i promise you. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:24 - Jun 3 with 1333 views | easthertsr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:15 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
All laudable and deserving people (though i do chuckle at the faux outrage that people wont be able to pass on their hard-earned to their children if they have to pay for care). HOweverm, yousocialists are all the same: you want eutopia, but have no idea how to pay for it, except to raise taxes on companies and wealth-generators, which, in a short space of time, leads to less money in the coffers, so all of those eutopian ideals can never be fulfilled in anything but the short run, and those deserving people of whom you speak, will be worse off, like the rest of us. Witness the 1970s disasterous Labour mess, the mess created by Gordon Brown once he let go of the purse strings, and just look across to the basket case that is Venezuala, where your no-doubts hero Chavez completely bankrupted the country.
And, btw, i am a really nice bloke, i promise you. |
Why is it that all the people who make the 'magic money tree' argument are those who seem to have considerable wealth/income and say to those of us that don't , that we have to make the sacrifices? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:34 - Jun 3 with 1318 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:15 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
All laudable and deserving people (though i do chuckle at the faux outrage that people wont be able to pass on their hard-earned to their children if they have to pay for care). HOweverm, yousocialists are all the same: you want eutopia, but have no idea how to pay for it, except to raise taxes on companies and wealth-generators, which, in a short space of time, leads to less money in the coffers, so all of those eutopian ideals can never be fulfilled in anything but the short run, and those deserving people of whom you speak, will be worse off, like the rest of us. Witness the 1970s disasterous Labour mess, the mess created by Gordon Brown once he let go of the purse strings, and just look across to the basket case that is Venezuala, where your no-doubts hero Chavez completely bankrupted the country.
And, btw, i am a really nice bloke, i promise you. |
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You want to take us back to the 1870's
You were the one saying you want more cuts and have not said you don't want them for those I mention I'm sure you are just "chucking" at the thought
Apart from that you have no idea about my life or my work life to judge me, you speak like you are the only one to have worked hard and paid their taxes, you are basically calling anyone that supports Labour a a scounger a layabout without knowing what they do, how hard they may work " just to get by" those same nurses you want to cut their wages from that supports labour, the dirt beneath your feet.
I got called out for tarring all tories with the same brush, so now I'll call you out
Nice guy befecked with that post on cuts. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 20:25]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 20:19 - Jun 3 with 1280 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:15 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
All laudable and deserving people (though i do chuckle at the faux outrage that people wont be able to pass on their hard-earned to their children if they have to pay for care). HOweverm, yousocialists are all the same: you want eutopia, but have no idea how to pay for it, except to raise taxes on companies and wealth-generators, which, in a short space of time, leads to less money in the coffers, so all of those eutopian ideals can never be fulfilled in anything but the short run, and those deserving people of whom you speak, will be worse off, like the rest of us. Witness the 1970s disasterous Labour mess, the mess created by Gordon Brown once he let go of the purse strings, and just look across to the basket case that is Venezuala, where your no-doubts hero Chavez completely bankrupted the country.
And, btw, i am a really nice bloke, i promise you. |
Venezuela? Have you actually read the Labour manifesto? (I think we can probably all guess the answer, but hey ho). What's in there is just very average European social democratic stuff - nationalised railways, funding for hospitals and schools - with corporation tax at about the same level it is in Scandinavia.
If you want to live in a country where the state has no role and the rich get to keep all their money, rather than trying to politically hijack Britain, why don't you move to Haiti, or any other of the many countries in the world where the state don't spend tax on schools and hospitals and life for ordinary people is left in the hands of self-proclaimed "nice blokes" like you?
Incidentally, I'm self employed, never worked in the public sector and I'd imagine I could match you for hours over the 25 years I've been working. I'd feel like a bit of a plum referring to myself as a "wealth generator" but I've worked on a lot of projects that have made money for people, I've paid a fair whack of tax down the years, and taken very little out.
I'd also be more than happy to pay more tax to live in a decent-minded country again, where everyone's family was provided a basic safety net and a fair start in life, and the poor weren't bullied by internet loudmouths.
And it's Utopia btw. At least us socialists appear able to spell. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 20:32 - Jun 3 with 1263 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 20:19 - Jun 3 by DannytheR |
Venezuela? Have you actually read the Labour manifesto? (I think we can probably all guess the answer, but hey ho). What's in there is just very average European social democratic stuff - nationalised railways, funding for hospitals and schools - with corporation tax at about the same level it is in Scandinavia.
If you want to live in a country where the state has no role and the rich get to keep all their money, rather than trying to politically hijack Britain, why don't you move to Haiti, or any other of the many countries in the world where the state don't spend tax on schools and hospitals and life for ordinary people is left in the hands of self-proclaimed "nice blokes" like you?
Incidentally, I'm self employed, never worked in the public sector and I'd imagine I could match you for hours over the 25 years I've been working. I'd feel like a bit of a plum referring to myself as a "wealth generator" but I've worked on a lot of projects that have made money for people, I've paid a fair whack of tax down the years, and taken very little out.
I'd also be more than happy to pay more tax to live in a decent-minded country again, where everyone's family was provided a basic safety net and a fair start in life, and the poor weren't bullied by internet loudmouths.
And it's Utopia btw. At least us socialists appear able to spell. |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 20:39 - Jun 3 with 1252 views | Harbour |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:15 - Jun 3 by sevenhoop |
All laudable and deserving people (though i do chuckle at the faux outrage that people wont be able to pass on their hard-earned to their children if they have to pay for care). HOweverm, yousocialists are all the same: you want eutopia, but have no idea how to pay for it, except to raise taxes on companies and wealth-generators, which, in a short space of time, leads to less money in the coffers, so all of those eutopian ideals can never be fulfilled in anything but the short run, and those deserving people of whom you speak, will be worse off, like the rest of us. Witness the 1970s disasterous Labour mess, the mess created by Gordon Brown once he let go of the purse strings, and just look across to the basket case that is Venezuala, where your no-doubts hero Chavez completely bankrupted the country.
And, btw, i am a really nice bloke, i promise you. |
Yes it been great the last 7 years food banks pay freezes lack of investment in housing and public services..well done the torys cannot wait for the next 7 years.... still There is always brexit ha ha | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 21:52 - Jun 3 with 1171 views | Brightonhoop |
There's no money tree Tories tell nursies getting 1% whilst MPs get 11% .
They say there's two types of Tories, millionaires and the misguied. To check which type you are, look in your wallet. |  | | |
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