| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 114935 views | hubble |
..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).
Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...
"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)
Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’
In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.
The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.
To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.
I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:48 - May 31 with 2337 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:29 - May 31 by BillericayR |
You can see average mortgage rates using the link below:-
Rates did rise later in the 80's as the world economy recovered from the world stock market crash of 1987.
Labour got in in 1997 when the economy was rising - admittedly after the emu fiasco in 1992.
Should be interesting to see how those areas vote on June 8th - but we might all be going to the food banks soon after June 8th if the lonnies get in as I doubt there will much on the shelves in the super-markets.
Check out what is happening in Venezuela an oil rich country.
Check out how the socialists performed after 5 years in government in France.
FYI I do not have an Iphone, sky package etc as I choose to buy my own food.
Would love to be able to get a QPR season ticket but it is another choice I have made. Also happy to support St Luke's Hospice in Basildon whenever possible. These are real heroes. |
Let me get this straight. So the global financial crisis of 2008 (the worst since the 20s) had no role in the damage to the British economy, which was entirely the fault of the Labour party?
But Britain going into recession in the autumn of 1990 was entirely caused by the market crash of three years earlier, and wasn't the fault of the Tories at all?
And the mass unemployment of the 1980s was also entirely the fault of the Labour party? When we still had more than 3 million unemployed in 1986, seven years after the Tories took power?
It doesn't make sense, does it? Supporting a political party shouldn't be like supporting a football team, you know. You don't have to make excuses for them and follow them blindly whatever they do.
I can guarantee you they don't care about you.
It would be easier to have an honest conversation about what kinds of people used food banks it you chose to actually go and meet some. But you don't want to do that, which I understand. After all, what if you found out you were wrong? |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:51 - May 31 with 2330 views | TheChef |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:36 - May 31 by ElHoop |
He's got the momentum though, with a small 'm'. Difficult to see who will give him such a hard time apart from Rudd and she came across as overly aggressive when she took on Boris in one of those Brexit debates - I don't think that she will be able to avoid going OTT. They'd have been better advised to have sent Davis in the first place, and certainly now he'd be a bit more laid back so that his 'shots' were more conspicuous. Rudd will just sound like an out of control machine gun. |
Totally cowardly from May that she doesn't have the balls to front up, and hide behind Rudd instead.
And this is the person currently most people want to lead our Brexit negotiations? Or will she delegate that as well? |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:55 - May 31 with 2317 views | hoof_hearted |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:51 - May 31 by TheChef |
Totally cowardly from May that she doesn't have the balls to front up, and hide behind Rudd instead.
And this is the person currently most people want to lead our Brexit negotiations? Or will she delegate that as well? |
Hope so! |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:58 - May 31 with 2305 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:51 - May 31 by TheChef |
Totally cowardly from May that she doesn't have the balls to front up, and hide behind Rudd instead.
And this is the person currently most people want to lead our Brexit negotiations? Or will she delegate that as well? |
Well as she is already being found out it's no surprise she won't do it and chuck her whole campaign into the gutter but the Strong and Stable is in the trash can now
Just hope JC does not fall in it too. [Post edited 31 May 2017 13:00]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:00 - May 31 with 2298 views | robith |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:36 - May 31 by ElHoop |
He's got the momentum though, with a small 'm'. Difficult to see who will give him such a hard time apart from Rudd and she came across as overly aggressive when she took on Boris in one of those Brexit debates - I don't think that she will be able to avoid going OTT. They'd have been better advised to have sent Davis in the first place, and certainly now he'd be a bit more laid back so that his 'shots' were more conspicuous. Rudd will just sound like an out of control machine gun. |
Rudd's solution to every problem is removing encryption from whatsapp |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:16 - May 31 with 2261 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:51 - May 31 by TheChef |
Totally cowardly from May that she doesn't have the balls to front up, and hide behind Rudd instead.
And this is the person currently most people want to lead our Brexit negotiations? Or will she delegate that as well? |
Of course she will ... to the negotiators . The same as EU leaders have . |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:18 - May 31 with 2246 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:58 - May 31 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well as she is already being found out it's no surprise she won't do it and chuck her whole campaign into the gutter but the Strong and Stable is in the trash can now
Just hope JC does not fall in it too. [Post edited 31 May 2017 13:00]
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You have learnt it off by heart , even graced it with capital letters . So have the whole population ... and that IMO was the plan | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:27 - May 31 with 2223 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:18 - May 31 by essextaxiboy |
You have learnt it off by heart , even graced it with capital letters . So have the whole population ... and that IMO was the plan |
Because it's become her sword that she is falling on and now the butt of jokes
She called this election but hides in the shadows [Post edited 31 May 2017 13:29]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:02 - May 31 with 2171 views | BillericayR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:48 - May 31 by DannytheR |
Let me get this straight. So the global financial crisis of 2008 (the worst since the 20s) had no role in the damage to the British economy, which was entirely the fault of the Labour party?
But Britain going into recession in the autumn of 1990 was entirely caused by the market crash of three years earlier, and wasn't the fault of the Tories at all?
And the mass unemployment of the 1980s was also entirely the fault of the Labour party? When we still had more than 3 million unemployed in 1986, seven years after the Tories took power?
It doesn't make sense, does it? Supporting a political party shouldn't be like supporting a football team, you know. You don't have to make excuses for them and follow them blindly whatever they do.
I can guarantee you they don't care about you.
It would be easier to have an honest conversation about what kinds of people used food banks it you chose to actually go and meet some. But you don't want to do that, which I understand. After all, what if you found out you were wrong? |
So with unemployment at record lows now - and we even have to import workers - you will be voting Tory I assume ?
Labour shot itself in the foot in 2008 by once again spending to much in the years before (admit supported by the Tories). But after taking a prudent approach when first coming to power we then had the Brown/Blair show with Brown trying to overshadow Blair.
It was obvious there were worries within the party about to ability of Brown as PM - that was why Blair stood in the first place.
Power crazy as most are.
In 1986 the battle with the unions had only just been won.
Unemployment rates below as a percentage up to 2015:
What worries me if the lonnies get in is where the extra taxes (which we will all pay) will go.
I have no issue with paying more for those that need it - but I see many areas where estates are in total decay where people perfectly able to help them selves think the world owes them a living. Windows smashed, sky dishes hanging out of them, grass up to your knees, rubbish strewn across payments, gardens and roads, dogs running wild.
As for the NHS the same old arguments crop up time and time again.
I have no answers but throwing more money is not going to work.
Somehow needs to be taken out of politics and it should be run by those working in the institution. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:13 - May 31 with 2154 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:02 - May 31 by BillericayR |
So with unemployment at record lows now - and we even have to import workers - you will be voting Tory I assume ?
Labour shot itself in the foot in 2008 by once again spending to much in the years before (admit supported by the Tories). But after taking a prudent approach when first coming to power we then had the Brown/Blair show with Brown trying to overshadow Blair.
It was obvious there were worries within the party about to ability of Brown as PM - that was why Blair stood in the first place.
Power crazy as most are.
In 1986 the battle with the unions had only just been won.
Unemployment rates below as a percentage up to 2015:
What worries me if the lonnies get in is where the extra taxes (which we will all pay) will go.
I have no issue with paying more for those that need it - but I see many areas where estates are in total decay where people perfectly able to help them selves think the world owes them a living. Windows smashed, sky dishes hanging out of them, grass up to your knees, rubbish strewn across payments, gardens and roads, dogs running wild.
As for the NHS the same old arguments crop up time and time again.
I have no answers but throwing more money is not going to work.
Somehow needs to be taken out of politics and it should be run by those working in the institution. |
Mate, you're arguing with me using a graph produced by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, that shows American unemployment figures.
It even says it at the bottom.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:27 - May 31 with 2109 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Oh dear.... | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:35 - May 31 with 2087 views | BillericayR |
Global economy !!!! Uuuuuuurgh
Bloody Google !!!!!
Here goes:-
Base rate:-
Unemployment:-
Not sure there is too much difference - does that tell us anything ?
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:53 - May 31 with 2059 views | stowmarketrange |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:02 - May 31 by BillericayR |
So with unemployment at record lows now - and we even have to import workers - you will be voting Tory I assume ?
Labour shot itself in the foot in 2008 by once again spending to much in the years before (admit supported by the Tories). But after taking a prudent approach when first coming to power we then had the Brown/Blair show with Brown trying to overshadow Blair.
It was obvious there were worries within the party about to ability of Brown as PM - that was why Blair stood in the first place.
Power crazy as most are.
In 1986 the battle with the unions had only just been won.
Unemployment rates below as a percentage up to 2015:
What worries me if the lonnies get in is where the extra taxes (which we will all pay) will go.
I have no issue with paying more for those that need it - but I see many areas where estates are in total decay where people perfectly able to help them selves think the world owes them a living. Windows smashed, sky dishes hanging out of them, grass up to your knees, rubbish strewn across payments, gardens and roads, dogs running wild.
As for the NHS the same old arguments crop up time and time again.
I have no answers but throwing more money is not going to work.
Somehow needs to be taken out of politics and it should be run by those working in the institution. |
That will soon apply to the schools too.Broken windows,grass overgrown and kids hanging around with nothing to do as there won't be a teacher for all the 47 kids in the same class.
And cruella de may will point at her new shiny grammar school and say how well they're taking care of educating kids. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:58 - May 31 with 2039 views | TacticalR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:13 - May 31 by DannytheR |
Mate, you're arguing with me using a graph produced by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, that shows American unemployment figures.
It even says it at the bottom.
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You know there's going to be trouble when people start reaching for their graphs. |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:43 - May 31 with 1989 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:27 - May 31 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Oh dear.... |
Careful...remember Debt and Deficit ? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:20 - May 31 with 1943 views | nadera78 |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:16 - May 31 by essextaxiboy |
Of course she will ... to the negotiators . The same as EU leaders have . |
Truth is, you'll have either Keir Starmer or David Davies heading up the operation - and I'm damn certain I know which one I'd prefer - with a huge and expensively assembled team beneath.
So the question is this; why does Theresa May continually lie about this election being a choice between her or Jeremy Corbyn doing the negotiations? Every time she opens her mouth it's to utter a lie or attempt to mislead, from the reason she called this election right on through. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:24 - May 31 with 1938 views | BillericayR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:53 - May 31 by stowmarketrange |
That will soon apply to the schools too.Broken windows,grass overgrown and kids hanging around with nothing to do as there won't be a teacher for all the 47 kids in the same class.
And cruella de may will point at her new shiny grammar school and say how well they're taking care of educating kids. |
They will be playing call of duty on their playstations..... | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:49 - May 31 with 1912 views | JamesB1979 |
Been surprisingly quiet from the Tories on the increased corporation tax and the minimum wage proposed by Labour. To me that will impact small businesses most and lead to increased unemployment. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:50 - May 31 with 1912 views | easthertsr |
May's non-appearance tonight will look horrible to don't know voters. It looks like she has taken the result for granted and doesn't even need to turn up. The real reason is, as we saw the other night, she is completely hopeless in these sort of situations. With just over a week to go there is still all to play for. A hung parliament is still a real possibility! | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:56 - May 31 with 1899 views | stowmarketrange |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:24 - May 31 by BillericayR |
They will be playing call of duty on their playstations..... |
That'll be fun for them won't it?So much better than learning things that might mean they can avoid a zero hours job once they leave. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:08 - May 31 with 1887 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:50 - May 31 by easthertsr |
May's non-appearance tonight will look horrible to don't know voters. It looks like she has taken the result for granted and doesn't even need to turn up. The real reason is, as we saw the other night, she is completely hopeless in these sort of situations. With just over a week to go there is still all to play for. A hung parliament is still a real possibility! |
Interesting point re "don't knows": they aren't factored into the polls as they're usually reported, despite making up about 20% of the electorate.
If you include these in the aggregated polls, there is about a four point gap between Cons and Lab.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2017-united-kingdom-general-electio
Historically I would imagine these are more likely to go with the status quo on the day, if they do decide to vote. But on the other hand this isn't a normal election. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:12 - May 31 with 1882 views | JamesB1979 |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:08 - May 31 by FDC |
Interesting point re "don't knows": they aren't factored into the polls as they're usually reported, despite making up about 20% of the electorate.
If you include these in the aggregated polls, there is about a four point gap between Cons and Lab.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2017-united-kingdom-general-electio
Historically I would imagine these are more likely to go with the status quo on the day, if they do decide to vote. But on the other hand this isn't a normal election. |
Sorry can you explain that as being a bit dumb? Do the polls exclude these "don't knows" or make an assumption for them? And does your 4 point gap assume they all vote Labour? | | | |
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