| Tax needn't be taxing... 22:57 - Mar 5 with 8692 views | blueytheblue |
... I believe the phrase was.
Corbyn wants to try to point score by releasing his tax returns.
Last year, filed late I do believe so he was fined.
This year he declares 117k of income. 35k or so of that was pension and benefits.
The story however is that his return seems to have omitted 40k as Labour leader from his return. So was it a mistake ( can't get tax returns sorted correctly on a regular basis ), was it that he declined the pay ( do Labour do performance related pay? ) or is he a stinking tax dodger.
Only Jezza can make an attempted point about others taxes and make such a pigs ear of it that the story is now about him. |  |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 10:01 - Mar 6 with 1842 views | blueytheblue |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 09:52 - Mar 6 by oh_tommy_tommy |
All self employed are at it blue . |
"All"? That's a pretty big claim there Tommy. Given numerous working class are self employed, that's a bold statement to make.
For the record, I'm not self-employed, by the way. | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 10:02 - Mar 6 with 1837 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Just been reading the daily tweets from proper sources, it's all a load of bolloc ks anyway
Carry on swallowing this Sh!t they feed us everyday, jackmeoff is spot on |  |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 10:44 - Mar 6 with 1813 views | blueytheblue |
Is it all bollocks Tommy?
It seems odd that salary was pushed into a different section. May have been a mistake. | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:05 - Mar 6 with 1771 views | Darran |
Avoidance isn't illegal. It's very clever and legal. |  |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:08 - Mar 6 with 1769 views | longlostjack |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:05 - Mar 6 by Darran |
Avoidance isn't illegal. It's very clever and legal. |
Yes - dodging tax legally. Still a dodgy dodger in my book 😜 |  |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:20 - Mar 6 with 1748 views | Darran |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:08 - Mar 6 by longlostjack |
Yes - dodging tax legally. Still a dodgy dodger in my book 😜 |
Well if they're not breaking the law the law needs amending imo. [Post edited 6 Mar 2017 12:21]
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:28 - Mar 6 with 1746 views | sherpajacob |
"No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores."
The difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion is the thickness of a prison wall.
I have very little time for Corbyn, but point is he has laid his tax return out in public, to allow scrutiny and criticism. Labour point out that almost all income is taxed at source, so there is no opportunity for evasion.
daily mail readers should really be asking if other political leaders should do the same, as we are all in this together and our PM has pledged to be driven not by the interests of the privileged few, but by those working hard and struggling to make ends meet.
"When it comes to taxes, we'll prioritise not the wealthy, but you" |  |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:38 - Mar 6 with 1738 views | blueytheblue |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:08 - Mar 6 by longlostjack |
Yes - dodging tax legally. Still a dodgy dodger in my book 😜 |
Ok.
Company makes massive profits. Spend a lot of those profits on charitable donations, community events and staff training / benefits.
That then lowers their Corporation Tax bill.
Still "dodgers" in your book? | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:59 - Mar 6 with 1722 views | waynekerr55 |
Corbyn as PM.
Just think about that for a second.
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 13:02 - Mar 6 with 1713 views | waynekerr55 |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:05 - Mar 6 by Darran |
Avoidance isn't illegal. It's very clever and legal. |
My favourite one so far. Guardian runs a story on tax avoidance, I make a comment about their own beneficial arrangements.
"This comment has been removed as it is found to break our community rules"
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 13:05 - Mar 6 with 1711 views | blueytheblue |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 13:02 - Mar 6 by waynekerr55 |
My favourite one so far. Guardian runs a story on tax avoidance, I make a comment about their own beneficial arrangements.
"This comment has been removed as it is found to break our community rules"
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Yup, they don't like that at all.
Does show the excesses of liberal like the Guardian mind. Scott Trust was set up to secure the paper in perpetuity I do believe - they've burnt through the money at a rapid rate. Hence the continual begging on their articles. | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 13:07 - Mar 6 with 1707 views | perchrockjack |
and ABBOTT as Home Secretary and shami as head Solicitor | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 14:57 - Mar 6 with 1671 views | longlostjack |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 12:38 - Mar 6 by blueytheblue |
Ok.
Company makes massive profits. Spend a lot of those profits on charitable donations, community events and staff training / benefits.
That then lowers their Corporation Tax bill.
Still "dodgers" in your book? |
I was referring specifically to the owner of the Daily Mail and his " aggressive tax avoidance". In what way does that benefit the local community? | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 15:04 - Mar 6 with 1666 views | blueytheblue |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 14:57 - Mar 6 by longlostjack |
I was referring specifically to the owner of the Daily Mail and his " aggressive tax avoidance". In what way does that benefit the local community? |
Don't disagree.
My point being that some see headline figures like "profits" and ignore everything else.
Always dislike the term "aggressive tax avoidance". It's just "tax avoidance". | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 16:48 - Mar 6 with 1734 views | LeonWasGod |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 08:21 - Mar 6 by blueytheblue |
That's the whole damn point... did he claim it or not.
Ignoring the petty rant about the media, the fact is yet again Corbyn has done something that has shot himself in the foot when he's been trying to make a point.
"Look at me, I'm honest and have integrity. Here's my tax return".
That tax return has the Labour leader money missing. Corbyn now has to address that salient point.
If he claimed it and left it out, that's more than just an "oops" moment. Not declaring income is somewhat of a serious thing. Can't blame accountants on that one.
If he didn't claim the money then he needs to clarify that as soon as possible.
Two years in a row Corbyn has put his tax returns out there. Two years in a row there have been issues with them. That completely smashes any credibility he may have left. |
How do you know it's not declared? In the BBC article it says the Labour Party confirmed his Party payments were included under State Benefits. So are you saying that's not true?
I'm not Corbyn apologist and not a labour person at all, but if what is written in the beeb article is true you and these articles seem to be clutching at straws. |  | | |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:16 - Mar 6 with 1726 views | waynekerr55 |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 16:48 - Mar 6 by LeonWasGod |
How do you know it's not declared? In the BBC article it says the Labour Party confirmed his Party payments were included under State Benefits. So are you saying that's not true?
I'm not Corbyn apologist and not a labour person at all, but if what is written in the beeb article is true you and these articles seem to be clutching at straws. |
I think it's quite pertinent that if you are preaching to people you have to conduct yourself immaculately. Whilst I agree Corbyn may have made a mistake this was totally avoidable, once again he's had another Frank Spencer moment. If he was a horse he'd have been put out of his misery by now. | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:23 - Mar 6 with 1719 views | perchrockjack |
Look.
This country is capable of Lunacy as proven by Brexit so this cretin could be PM.
Now, I know this is hard for some on here but this chap would be flying around the world representing this beautiful isle.
A tramp and a thick one | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:41 - Mar 6 with 1714 views | blueytheblue |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 16:48 - Mar 6 by LeonWasGod |
How do you know it's not declared? In the BBC article it says the Labour Party confirmed his Party payments were included under State Benefits. So are you saying that's not true?
I'm not Corbyn apologist and not a labour person at all, but if what is written in the beeb article is true you and these articles seem to be clutching at straws. |
Well, it's taken 18 hours and counting to get explanations for perfectly reasonable questions.
If the accountants have chosen to put that under State Benefits rather than Income, then that's fine albeit a very odd thing to have done.
It's hardly straw clutching. That misses the point. It's not that Corbyn is a tax fiddler, it's that in pursuit of making a headline stunt he's yet again handled his tax return in a manner that raises questions, that is utterly shambolic.
"Here's my tax return, see how honest I am".
"Errm, why isn't LOTO salary in there?"
"It is"
"Where?"
"Oh, it's actually under benefits"
"Why do government figures show 30k yet you've got it down as 27k? And why have you put it under state benefits when government docs show it as salary?"
"Oh, that's minus pension contributions with the deduction of the waiver I made of the increase to that sal... benefit"
"That's as clear as mud, Jezza"
"Media's fault for not knowing all of the above, not mine for failing to mention that at the same time as releasing the tax return. Cabinet Office too, those b*stards".
See how farcical it is? All caused by Corbyn releasing a pretty confusing tax return without explaining the confusing bits, magically expecting people to work everything out without any context.
EDIT: He could have apologised for the confusion, issued full explanation. Instead it became "Media! Media!".
Corbyn could be caught with a chainsaw hacking up cats and it would still be the fault of the media.
EDIT2 : Just re-read Corbyn's last statement. All the media's fault for not "checking facts". Media asked his press team for clarification on issues arising from the tax return. Media's fault it took around a day for Corbyn to clarify? [Post edited 6 Mar 2017 17:51]
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:16 - Mar 6 with 1690 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:23 - Mar 6 by perchrockjack |
Look.
This country is capable of Lunacy as proven by Brexit so this cretin could be PM.
Now, I know this is hard for some on here but this chap would be flying around the world representing this beautiful isle.
A tramp and a thick one |
Boris Johnston is doing a fine job at that fair play | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:20 - Mar 6 with 1688 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:41 - Mar 6 by blueytheblue |
Well, it's taken 18 hours and counting to get explanations for perfectly reasonable questions.
If the accountants have chosen to put that under State Benefits rather than Income, then that's fine albeit a very odd thing to have done.
It's hardly straw clutching. That misses the point. It's not that Corbyn is a tax fiddler, it's that in pursuit of making a headline stunt he's yet again handled his tax return in a manner that raises questions, that is utterly shambolic.
"Here's my tax return, see how honest I am".
"Errm, why isn't LOTO salary in there?"
"It is"
"Where?"
"Oh, it's actually under benefits"
"Why do government figures show 30k yet you've got it down as 27k? And why have you put it under state benefits when government docs show it as salary?"
"Oh, that's minus pension contributions with the deduction of the waiver I made of the increase to that sal... benefit"
"That's as clear as mud, Jezza"
"Media's fault for not knowing all of the above, not mine for failing to mention that at the same time as releasing the tax return. Cabinet Office too, those b*stards".
See how farcical it is? All caused by Corbyn releasing a pretty confusing tax return without explaining the confusing bits, magically expecting people to work everything out without any context.
EDIT: He could have apologised for the confusion, issued full explanation. Instead it became "Media! Media!".
Corbyn could be caught with a chainsaw hacking up cats and it would still be the fault of the media.
EDIT2 : Just re-read Corbyn's last statement. All the media's fault for not "checking facts". Media asked his press team for clarification on issues arising from the tax return. Media's fault it took around a day for Corbyn to clarify? [Post edited 6 Mar 2017 17:51]
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See load of boll ocks.
It's Tuesday tomorrow.
They'll blame him for something | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:34 - Mar 6 with 1680 views | waynekerr55 |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:20 - Mar 6 by oh_tommy_tommy |
See load of boll ocks.
It's Tuesday tomorrow.
They'll blame him for something |
The thing is though Tom it's not bollocks. The guy is a walking disaster. | |
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| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:53 - Mar 6 with 1676 views | NeathJack |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:41 - Mar 6 by blueytheblue |
Well, it's taken 18 hours and counting to get explanations for perfectly reasonable questions.
If the accountants have chosen to put that under State Benefits rather than Income, then that's fine albeit a very odd thing to have done.
It's hardly straw clutching. That misses the point. It's not that Corbyn is a tax fiddler, it's that in pursuit of making a headline stunt he's yet again handled his tax return in a manner that raises questions, that is utterly shambolic.
"Here's my tax return, see how honest I am".
"Errm, why isn't LOTO salary in there?"
"It is"
"Where?"
"Oh, it's actually under benefits"
"Why do government figures show 30k yet you've got it down as 27k? And why have you put it under state benefits when government docs show it as salary?"
"Oh, that's minus pension contributions with the deduction of the waiver I made of the increase to that sal... benefit"
"That's as clear as mud, Jezza"
"Media's fault for not knowing all of the above, not mine for failing to mention that at the same time as releasing the tax return. Cabinet Office too, those b*stards".
See how farcical it is? All caused by Corbyn releasing a pretty confusing tax return without explaining the confusing bits, magically expecting people to work everything out without any context.
EDIT: He could have apologised for the confusion, issued full explanation. Instead it became "Media! Media!".
Corbyn could be caught with a chainsaw hacking up cats and it would still be the fault of the media.
EDIT2 : Just re-read Corbyn's last statement. All the media's fault for not "checking facts". Media asked his press team for clarification on issues arising from the tax return. Media's fault it took around a day for Corbyn to clarify? [Post edited 6 Mar 2017 17:51]
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So to clarify then, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his tax return. |  | | |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 19:57 - Mar 6 with 1669 views | jack2jack |
40 grand yep its easy to forget that sort of money FFS,that's me done!  |  | | |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 20:02 - Mar 6 with 1663 views | sherpajacob |
| Tax needn't be taxing... on 17:41 - Mar 6 by blueytheblue |
Well, it's taken 18 hours and counting to get explanations for perfectly reasonable questions.
If the accountants have chosen to put that under State Benefits rather than Income, then that's fine albeit a very odd thing to have done.
It's hardly straw clutching. That misses the point. It's not that Corbyn is a tax fiddler, it's that in pursuit of making a headline stunt he's yet again handled his tax return in a manner that raises questions, that is utterly shambolic.
"Here's my tax return, see how honest I am".
"Errm, why isn't LOTO salary in there?"
"It is"
"Where?"
"Oh, it's actually under benefits"
"Why do government figures show 30k yet you've got it down as 27k? And why have you put it under state benefits when government docs show it as salary?"
"Oh, that's minus pension contributions with the deduction of the waiver I made of the increase to that sal... benefit"
"That's as clear as mud, Jezza"
"Media's fault for not knowing all of the above, not mine for failing to mention that at the same time as releasing the tax return. Cabinet Office too, those b*stards".
See how farcical it is? All caused by Corbyn releasing a pretty confusing tax return without explaining the confusing bits, magically expecting people to work everything out without any context.
EDIT: He could have apologised for the confusion, issued full explanation. Instead it became "Media! Media!".
Corbyn could be caught with a chainsaw hacking up cats and it would still be the fault of the media.
EDIT2 : Just re-read Corbyn's last statement. All the media's fault for not "checking facts". Media asked his press team for clarification on issues arising from the tax return. Media's fault it took around a day for Corbyn to clarify? [Post edited 6 Mar 2017 17:51]
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"All caused by Corbyn releasing a pretty confusing tax return "
I'll wager the tax returns of Cameron, Osborne, May, Johnson, Davis, IDS, Rees Mogg etc etc, would be a lot more confusing., but we'll never know will we? | |
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