| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:39 - Feb 4 with 1115 views | Murph75 |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:33 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
I don't think you'd be my wife's type. You might be mine though ;) [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 10:34]
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That's what I was hoping......... |  | |  |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:40 - Feb 4 with 1112 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:39 - Feb 4 by Murph75 |
That's what I was hoping......... |
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Then let us gingerly touch tips... [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 11:05]
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:40 - Feb 4 with 1112 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 09:46 - Feb 4 by Jack_Meoff |
3rd and 4th paragraphs, bang on skip.
Currently reading this:
http://www.flatearthnews.net/
Not long into it, but according to the author the only motive for the media barons is profit, not reporting factually. And the amount of copy that gets printed that goes unchecked is eye opening. Backed by stats by a study at Cardiff University. 'Churnalism' is the order of the day.
To me the death of printed media can't come soon enough. Looking at you Murdoch, Rotheremere, Barclays, Desmond... [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 9:47]
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I'd disagree.
Rupert Murdoch hasn't bought up half the worlds press simply to make money (exaggeration I know but you get the point). He's not exactly skint. He's bought it to promulgate his nasty little right wing world view.
I agree with the not reporting factual stuff of course. But it's more to do with an old billionaire wanting to shape the world rather than have a few quid.
And he's been very succesful at it. |  | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:58 - Feb 4 with 1090 views | blueytheblue |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 09:46 - Feb 4 by Jack_Meoff |
3rd and 4th paragraphs, bang on skip.
Currently reading this:
http://www.flatearthnews.net/
Not long into it, but according to the author the only motive for the media barons is profit, not reporting factually. And the amount of copy that gets printed that goes unchecked is eye opening. Backed by stats by a study at Cardiff University. 'Churnalism' is the order of the day.
To me the death of printed media can't come soon enough. Looking at you Murdoch, Rotheremere, Barclays, Desmond... [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 9:47]
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This webite ceased allowing registrations in 2014. I'd suggest given his extensive use of "off the record" sources, Nick Davies has made a lot of money selling a book which used unsubstantiated claims.
Not to say those claims aren't true, but his claims can't be critically evaluated.
EDIT: HE did good work on phone hacking, I'll grant you that. Did seem to focus more on NotW than Mirror, who were hacking earlier tho. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 11:01]
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:59 - Feb 4 with 1088 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 09:47 - Feb 4 by Dr_Winston |
Of the nationally published daily newspapers:
Right - Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times
Left - Mirror, Guardian, Independent, Financial Times, Morning Star
Neutral - Daily Star
If you include the Sunday People and the Observer then most are on the left. |
Ha. Haha. Include the left leaning Sundays but exclude the many more right leaning equivalents to make your (factually incorrect) point.
Some top quality "alternative facts" right there. |  |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:03 - Feb 4 with 1354 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:59 - Feb 4 by exiledclaseboy |
Ha. Haha. Include the left leaning Sundays but exclude the many more right leaning equivalents to make your (factually incorrect) point.
Some top quality "alternative facts" right there. |
It's all the rage these days.
F*ck facts. Here's what I think. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:06 - Feb 4 with 1346 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:03 - Feb 4 by Humpty |
It's all the rage these days.
F*ck facts. Here's what I think. |
I sadly agree, on both sides of the table. People believe anything their side of the press prints. | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:06 - Feb 4 with 1345 views | blueytheblue |
I don't know if I should object to Daily Star being called neutral or if I should object to it being called a newspaper, tbh. | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:15 - Feb 4 with 1337 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:06 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
I sadly agree, on both sides of the table. People believe anything their side of the press prints. |
No it's not the same thing.
Opinions differ of course.
But the whole thing about alternative facts, fake news etc. is coming from one way. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:15 - Feb 4 with 1334 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:15 - Feb 4 by Humpty |
No it's not the same thing.
Opinions differ of course.
But the whole thing about alternative facts, fake news etc. is coming from one way. |
The left? | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:18 - Feb 4 with 1330 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:15 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
The left? |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:20 - Feb 4 with 1324 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:18 - Feb 4 by Humpty |
Bye. |
Okay, so it is the left. | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:43 - Feb 4 with 1306 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:20 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
Okay, so it is the left. |
Yeah. It was the left that convinced someone on here that liberals were aborting their babies because they found out they were pregnant on the day Trump was inaugarated. And got them to spread it.
And after seeing you making your case with Trump's racism and Trump's sexism I realised that I cant be arsed in engaging with Dimmiesque levels of pedantry, obfuscation and tenacity. Life's too short.
You can take that as a victory if you like. Yaaay. I won. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:50 - Feb 4 with 1299 views | blueytheblue |
Surely the point is all sides use fake news.
Some for agendas, some to try to sell papers by breaking exclusives - see Mirror / Ryan mason "fighting for his life". | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:57 - Feb 4 with 1294 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:43 - Feb 4 by Humpty |
Yeah. It was the left that convinced someone on here that liberals were aborting their babies because they found out they were pregnant on the day Trump was inaugarated. And got them to spread it.
And after seeing you making your case with Trump's racism and Trump's sexism I realised that I cant be arsed in engaging with Dimmiesque levels of pedantry, obfuscation and tenacity. Life's too short.
You can take that as a victory if you like. Yaaay. I won. |
But, you never gave irrefutable proof of anything you posted, just an opinion. Sorry, I like to read more than one side and don't kowtow to popular thought, either side of a divide.
I also enjoy debate, as it helps me learn, and hopefully helps others to try and expand their views too in the process. I don't tend to post and run on topics either.
I don't take it as a victory at all, I prefer to engage in honest discussion, and can cede on points if proven to be wrong. I'm not arrogant enough to presume I am correct all the time. | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:13 - Feb 4 with 1281 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:20 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
Okay, so it is the left. |
Yeah.
It was the left that yesterday invented a massacre in Kentucky and complained the press didn't report on it to support their untenable position.
Oh wait, no, it wasn't, it was team Trumpy. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:22 - Feb 4 with 1271 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 11:50 - Feb 4 by blueytheblue |
Surely the point is all sides use fake news.
Some for agendas, some to try to sell papers by breaking exclusives - see Mirror / Ryan mason "fighting for his life". |
No it's not Bluey. It's a specific thing.
Here's how it started. "Completely made up and designed to deceive readers to maximise traffic and profit".
Some young kids in Macedionia and other places realised they could make money by imitating established websites and completely making up fake news. Things that are not true.
They didn't do it for political reasons, they did it for monetary reasons. They soon realized that making shit up that denigrated the Democrats made them far more money than making shit up about the Republicans. Bonkers anti Hilary articles got loads of hits, bonkers anti Trump ones didn't. So they stopped doing them.
You're work is with computers don't you? I'm suprised you haven't heard about it.
It doesn't mean things in the news that you don't like. It doesn't mean opinion pieces you don't like. It means deliberately made up lies targeted at thick people,and they are targeting right wing people because they've learned that's what gets them the hits. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:24 - Feb 4 with 1267 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 09:47 - Feb 4 by Dr_Winston |
Of the nationally published daily newspapers:
Right - Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times
Left - Mirror, Guardian, Independent, Financial Times, Morning Star
Neutral - Daily Star
If you include the Sunday People and the Observer then most are on the left. |
The FT isn't left wing mun. Neither was the Indie. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:25 - Feb 4 with 1266 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:13 - Feb 4 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah.
It was the left that yesterday invented a massacre in Kentucky and complained the press didn't report on it to support their untenable position.
Oh wait, no, it wasn't, it was team Trumpy. |
I agree. Making nonsense up and reporting on it is wrong. Hence why my stance is (if you bothered to read my previous posts on the topic) both sides create skewed and false reports. Which means you should take both extremes with a pinch of salt. You only have to look at the reporting on "hate crimes" post election by Anti-Trump supporters to be proven later to be false etc. False news is perpetrated both sides. Not waiting for facts before reporting is a huge problem, editing reports/interviews to cut out full context/content is dishonest and fake.
That post was made to draw out a response with substance, over a single point. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 12:29]
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:29 - Feb 4 with 1260 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:25 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
I agree. Making nonsense up and reporting on it is wrong. Hence why my stance is (if you bothered to read my previous posts on the topic) both sides create skewed and false reports. Which means you should take both extremes with a pinch of salt. You only have to look at the reporting on "hate crimes" post election by Anti-Trump supporters to be proven later to be false etc. False news is perpetrated both sides. Not waiting for facts before reporting is a huge problem, editing reports/interviews to cut out full context/content is dishonest and fake.
That post was made to draw out a response with substance, over a single point. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 12:29]
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Supporters of both sides do it.
One actual Presidential administration is doing it.
There is not an equivalence. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:35 - Feb 4 with 1253 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 10:40 - Feb 4 by Humpty |
I'd disagree.
Rupert Murdoch hasn't bought up half the worlds press simply to make money (exaggeration I know but you get the point). He's not exactly skint. He's bought it to promulgate his nasty little right wing world view.
I agree with the not reporting factual stuff of course. But it's more to do with an old billionaire wanting to shape the world rather than have a few quid.
And he's been very succesful at it. |
Won't disagree. Cut my post short as pooch was ready to go to Aberavon Beach.
Said book also describes the level of Murdoch's influence - on both political parties. The very definition of the tail wagging the dog. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 18:04]
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:35 - Feb 4 with 1252 views | swanjackal |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:29 - Feb 4 by londonlisa2001 |
Supporters of both sides do it.
One actual Presidential administration is doing it.
There is not an equivalence. |
Ermmmm....we are talking about press/media here. Then again are you claiming the Obama administration never placed out bias unsubstantiated news, or the DNC, at all?
Strawmen aside, I stand that both sides of political divides in the media produce unsubstantiated news. | |
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:57 - Feb 4 with 1232 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:13 - Feb 4 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah.
It was the left that yesterday invented a massacre in Kentucky and complained the press didn't report on it to support their untenable position.
Oh wait, no, it wasn't, it was team Trumpy. |
And Lisa is now showing what fake news is now. People on the right think anything they disagree with is fake news. Sane people can point out this.
Trump, an incredibly thin skinned man, told everyone that he was going to have the biggest ever inaugration event ever. Because that's what he does.
When it wasn't, he sent out his minions to lie their f*cking arses off and attack the press for telling the truth. And they did.
To me, it's not f*cking important how many people went to an event. I'll Judge Trump on his actions, not on how many went to his party.
But still they came out, Sean Spicer, Lance Priebus and Kellyanne Conway to tell complete lies about the inaugaration all spiced with a threat to the press. If you go after us for lying, we're going to deal with you. Even though it's such an inconsequential thing.
And days later they make up a terrorist attack that happened in America. Except it wasn't true and it didn't even happen. That's fake news Bluey. Fake news is coming straight from the White House. Please don't conflate this with anything that the BBC or Guardian says.
Your God Emperor and his minions are telling you fake news every day. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 13:12]
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| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 13:02 - Feb 4 with 1224 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:35 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
Ermmmm....we are talking about press/media here. Then again are you claiming the Obama administration never placed out bias unsubstantiated news, or the DNC, at all?
Strawmen aside, I stand that both sides of political divides in the media produce unsubstantiated news. |
It isn't 'unsubstantiated news'. They stood up and invented a massacre to support their position, and then, not content with that, they accused the press of ignoring it.
The issue re the press, is that media in this country is dominated by the right wing. The Daily Mail ran a story for hours this week that the Canadian terrorist who massacred people in a mosque was Moroccan. They called him a terrorist. They then realised they were wrong (again), and that he was a French Canadian Trump lover. No longer a terrorist - now, a 'lone wolf' with mental issues.
It's quite pathetic.
As an aside - the Mail is not the right wing equivalent of the Guardian. One would have to be particularly biased to believe it is. | | | |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 13:10 - Feb 4 with 1214 views | Humpty |
| Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 12:25 - Feb 4 by swanjackal |
I agree. Making nonsense up and reporting on it is wrong. Hence why my stance is (if you bothered to read my previous posts on the topic) both sides create skewed and false reports. Which means you should take both extremes with a pinch of salt. You only have to look at the reporting on "hate crimes" post election by Anti-Trump supporters to be proven later to be false etc. False news is perpetrated both sides. Not waiting for facts before reporting is a huge problem, editing reports/interviews to cut out full context/content is dishonest and fake.
That post was made to draw out a response with substance, over a single point. [Post edited 4 Feb 2017 12:29]
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I know I said I wasn't going to respond anymore but I couldn't help it.
We're not talking about extremes here. We are talking about the POTUS. And his people are inventing terrorist attacks that happened on American soil that didn't actually f*cking happen. It was lies made up to influence a particularly stupid part of the populace that voted for him to justify an unjustifiable ban of muslims.
They made up a terrorist attack that didn't happen. Do you understand what I'm saying? This is not tw*ts like me and you arguing on the internet. This is real life. This is the POTUS. Are you that thick that you don't see the difference? | | | |
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