| Migrant/Refugee crisis 11:04 - Sep 4 with 60441 views | Deano19766 |
Just a thought on this subject which is all over the news saying we are a disgrace and should do more to help -
Oxford English Dictionary definition of Refugee - "A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster". So when a person flees their country for those reasons they are a refugee (and that is of course a terrible thing to happen to anyone and is yet another sad fact about humanity as a species). However, it could (and should) then be implied that once a 'refugee' passes through a 'safe' country then (s)he is no longer a refugee but a migrant, and most likely a migrant for economic reasons. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but all this rhetoric about taking in 'refugees' is completely misguided or a (deliberate?) misinterpretation of the facts IMO. If people wish to show their support for accommodating these people then that is of course their prerogative, but they should at least be clear that that they support accommodating 'economic migrants' as opposed to 'refugees' (although that would be far less sensationalist and may not suit their agenda). |  | | |  |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 03:18 - Sep 7 with 3085 views | FDC |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 17:46 - Sep 4 by Hayesender |
And meanwhile the rich Arab nations let in the grand total of zero refugees |
I find it amazing that stuff like this gets posted, and not even challenged.
Lebanon has taken in over a million Syrian refugees. That means approximately 20% of the population there now is a refugee.
The UK has taken approximately 180 in the past 12 months. |  | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 07:24 - Sep 7 with 3016 views | johnhoop |
Well if nothing else this thread should lay to rest once and for all the myth trotted out by Hadders and endorsed by others on page 6 of this thread that it is populated by an overwhelming number of right-wing posters.
Up to this point in the thread there are 25 posters who have adopted an anti-immigration stance as opposed to 27 who are definitely in favour of it. Another 11 have sat on the fence or just been flippant. Thus far, therefore the numbers are practically even.
Personally I just find it unfortunate that anyone who has the temerity to express concern about the effects that mass immigration is likely to have on this country should be immediately categorized as Fascist, racist etc. But then these are the tactics that the Left has been using to put a stop to any debate for the last 20 years, so I can hardly say I'm surprised. | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis (n/t) on 07:37 - Sep 7 with 2984 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis (n/t) on 00:53 - Sep 7 by kensalriser |
Bang out of order putting that on here. [Post edited 7 Sep 2015 1:00]
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Can't agree with you there, which does not mean I agree with that view or would sign it but everyone has their right to an opinion.
Edit, even if they are an idiot........below [Post edited 7 Sep 2015 7:48]
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis (n/t) on 07:47 - Sep 7 with 2945 views | easthertsr |
Surely all our foreign players are economic migrants? Yeah lets send Chery back and give another chance to home-grown talent like SWP. You know it makes sense! | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis (n/t) on 08:08 - Sep 7 with 2896 views | connell10 |
Ive read some shite on here but that takes the biscuit. |  |
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:31 - Sep 7 with 2863 views | stowmarketrange |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 07:24 - Sep 7 by johnhoop |
Well if nothing else this thread should lay to rest once and for all the myth trotted out by Hadders and endorsed by others on page 6 of this thread that it is populated by an overwhelming number of right-wing posters.
Up to this point in the thread there are 25 posters who have adopted an anti-immigration stance as opposed to 27 who are definitely in favour of it. Another 11 have sat on the fence or just been flippant. Thus far, therefore the numbers are practically even.
Personally I just find it unfortunate that anyone who has the temerity to express concern about the effects that mass immigration is likely to have on this country should be immediately categorized as Fascist, racist etc. But then these are the tactics that the Left has been using to put a stop to any debate for the last 20 years, so I can hardly say I'm surprised. |
The right wing Tories really seem to got mass immigration under control haven't they?
And the net migration rate is down to the tens of thousands isn't it?
Oh no it isn't.We seem to have the biggest net migration rate in our history.
Another failed Tory policy to go with all the other lies they've told. |  | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:44 - Sep 7 with 2833 views | johnhoop |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:31 - Sep 7 by stowmarketrange |
The right wing Tories really seem to got mass immigration under control haven't they?
And the net migration rate is down to the tens of thousands isn't it?
Oh no it isn't.We seem to have the biggest net migration rate in our history.
Another failed Tory policy to go with all the other lies they've told. |
The Tories will come out with a lot of hot air about controlling immigration but they will never seriously attempt to do anything about it because their mates in big business don't want the flow of cheap labour to come to an end. | | | |
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:44 - Sep 7 with 2830 views | Discodroids |
This petition Going around Asking for Signatures for The UK to accept more migrants that has reached in excess of 400,000 signatures. I can understand the good Intentions of people who sign it, but i havent met a single person who has signed it in my neck of the woods.Of course its quite different in other parts of london/ the country which i understand.
to sign this petition, You only have to tick a box to STATE youre a british citizen and an e mail address , the veracity of it concerns me. What to stop this petition doing the rounds across europe to peoples mobile phones?.
Its as confusing to me as the government stating that 53,00 from Romania and Bulgaria came to the UK last year when 220,000 National insurance numbers were handed out to the same demographic in the same Calendar period.
in any case it would be interesting to see how many of these 400,ooo people who have signed this petition are prepared to accept them in their own homes , perhaps using their omnipotent power of righteousness as Virtual Matrix style jcb diggers for new homes.
as a side note this Country has contributed one thousand million pounds to the refugee centers , more than the rest of the EU put together.
for shame. [Post edited 7 Sep 2015 9:32]
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:45 - Sep 7 with 2824 views | batmanhoop |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:31 - Sep 7 by stowmarketrange |
The right wing Tories really seem to got mass immigration under control haven't they?
And the net migration rate is down to the tens of thousands isn't it?
Oh no it isn't.We seem to have the biggest net migration rate in our history.
Another failed Tory policy to go with all the other lies they've told. |
it's called the EU. While we are in it, there is nothing we can do about it. That is the fault of all parties as all 3 are pro-EU | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 09:01 - Sep 7 with 2852 views | stowmarketrange |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:45 - Sep 7 by batmanhoop |
it's called the EU. While we are in it, there is nothing we can do about it. That is the fault of all parties as all 3 are pro-EU |
Is it also the EU that has caused our national debt to increase,despite the crooks squeezing every last pound they can out of everybody?
Is the EU that has caused such a crisis in the NHS?
Is it the EU that has allowed the richest people in the country to increase their fortunes,while the rest of us are all in it together?
Is it the EU that is making the sick and disabled kill themselves rather than be forced to take a zero hours job that they won't be able to do in the first place? | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 09:11 - Sep 7 with 2807 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I wonder what the demographic is on voting in the two petition which I think stands at around 80K against and 500k for.
In terms of age, race, class, area. | |
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 09:37 - Sep 7 with 2739 views | batmanhoop |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 09:01 - Sep 7 by stowmarketrange |
Is it also the EU that has caused our national debt to increase,despite the crooks squeezing every last pound they can out of everybody?
Is the EU that has caused such a crisis in the NHS?
Is it the EU that has allowed the richest people in the country to increase their fortunes,while the rest of us are all in it together?
Is it the EU that is making the sick and disabled kill themselves rather than be forced to take a zero hours job that they won't be able to do in the first place? |
you may have a point fella, but I was addressing the fact while we are in the EU there is diddly we can do with immigration | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 10:07 - Sep 7 with 2644 views | stowmarketrange |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 09:37 - Sep 7 by batmanhoop |
you may have a point fella, but I was addressing the fact while we are in the EU there is diddly we can do with immigration |
Sorry mate.I wasn't having a go at you personally.I've been dipping into this thread occasionally and I lose track who says what about what. | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 10:59 - Sep 7 with 2549 views | batmanhoop |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 10:07 - Sep 7 by stowmarketrange |
Sorry mate.I wasn't having a go at you personally.I've been dipping into this thread occasionally and I lose track who says what about what. |
no need to apologize mate, we all have different opinions | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 10:59 - Sep 7 with 2546 views | NW5Hoop |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 23:11 - Sep 6 by HollowayRanger |
my mums a immigrant
whoops
as for not agreeing with just taking off those that have money how would you do that ? royal familys got a load of money so do we kick tham out? could put a couple of hundred migrants in the palace and another 500 in winsor castle that's not a bad start just another 14,300 beds to find
I got a £500,000 flat should I lose that? I worked and helped paid for it
lets just agree to disagree you want to open the doors to those that want to come here and wish to take from the rich to pay for it
I don't I want us to put our own people first second and third
somehow I think we will both end up losing |
Royal family? German economic migrants. | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:48 - Sep 7 with 2665 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:50 - Sep 4 by Konk |
Hungary currently rejects 90%+ of Asylum applications, so after spending several weeks/months in a camp, after risking life and limb and spending all your savings to get to Europe, you have a high chance of being sent back to Syria. If Germany, Austria and Sweden are willing to accommodate refugees, then surely it's common sense and human nature to try and get there rather than risk rejection or be settled in a country where the government has made it clear you're not welcome? And aside from where the refugees wish to go, isn't it unfair that Greece, Italy and countries in Eastern Europe shoulder the burden alone? This is a massively complicated tragedy, but with our role in destabilising the region, we surely have some responsibility. These are human beings - if the boot was on the other foot, I hope that people elsewhere would be willing to come to the aid of me and my family. |
They wouldn't help, look at the rich Gulf States not even helping Arabs. The majority are young men and most of them are not from Syria. |  | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:51 - Sep 7 with 2657 views | stevec |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 07:24 - Sep 7 by johnhoop |
Well if nothing else this thread should lay to rest once and for all the myth trotted out by Hadders and endorsed by others on page 6 of this thread that it is populated by an overwhelming number of right-wing posters.
Up to this point in the thread there are 25 posters who have adopted an anti-immigration stance as opposed to 27 who are definitely in favour of it. Another 11 have sat on the fence or just been flippant. Thus far, therefore the numbers are practically even.
Personally I just find it unfortunate that anyone who has the temerity to express concern about the effects that mass immigration is likely to have on this country should be immediately categorized as Fascist, racist etc. But then these are the tactics that the Left has been using to put a stop to any debate for the last 20 years, so I can hardly say I'm surprised. |
No point arguing about immigration now, Governments, the media, the left have all decided their message will be shouted loud and clear and to hell with the man in the street.
But we have one, and only one, opportunity to attempt to put this right. Keep your heads down, ignore the left, ignore the politicians, ignore the media frenzy, ignore big business and the level of scaremongering that will be bestowed upon us, don't rise to the bait, don't say a thing.
Just vote to leave the EU. |  | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:54 - Sep 7 with 2636 views | SpiritofGregory |
Taking lots of people in is not the solution this will only cause future problems, addressing the reasons for the exodus is. The German people who the media choose to ignore are furious with Merkel. | | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 12:05 - Sep 7 with 2601 views | paulparker |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:51 - Sep 7 by stevec |
No point arguing about immigration now, Governments, the media, the left have all decided their message will be shouted loud and clear and to hell with the man in the street.
But we have one, and only one, opportunity to attempt to put this right. Keep your heads down, ignore the left, ignore the politicians, ignore the media frenzy, ignore big business and the level of scaremongering that will be bestowed upon us, don't rise to the bait, don't say a thing.
Just vote to leave the EU. |
Good Post Steve
no point worrying about it anymore , this country is fcuked successive government's have seen to that , we cant even sort out our own people on housing , hospital waiting lists , and schools but yet we are still letting people through,
problem is us plebs don't get the chance to vote on a referendum until 2017
by that stage it will be all to late and even then it will be fixed
id say the best thing is to retire abroad like spain or Cyprus, like me & the missus have planned on , problem is we still have another 20 years to go |  |
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 12:10 - Sep 7 with 2587 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 11:51 - Sep 7 by stevec |
No point arguing about immigration now, Governments, the media, the left have all decided their message will be shouted loud and clear and to hell with the man in the street.
But we have one, and only one, opportunity to attempt to put this right. Keep your heads down, ignore the left, ignore the politicians, ignore the media frenzy, ignore big business and the level of scaremongering that will be bestowed upon us, don't rise to the bait, don't say a thing.
Just vote to leave the EU. |
I'm the man in the street. I disagree with you. You're not being ignored. At least four national newspapers have been loudly agreeing with your viewpoint for ages, so don't try to claim the media are ignoring you either. Stop playing the 'no one listens to us' card. The last election was largely about attracting 'your' vote - the winning party even moved right to accommodate you because it was so scared of how many people would vote UKIP.
You're dead right though - just use your vote at the referendum. That's what it's for. That's how you get heard. |  |
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 12:25 - Sep 7 with 2558 views | Discodroids |
If there is one Sage Lesson ive learnt Clive , in this crazy bItch of a scene , its That people are people and why should it be ,that the left and the right should get along so awfully.we're different colours,And we're different creeds, And different people have different needs.
I think Theres a lesson for us all in there somewhere,
#SongForEmmaThompson
#PeopleArePeople
it can only be a matter of hours before an Accepting a refugee into your home seems to be the next ice bucket challenge sweeping social media
Oh no ! Bono has stepped into the breech once more!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11848179/Bono-We-should-not-use
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| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 12:35 - Sep 7 with 2525 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
If this thread was a film, it would be Groundhog Day. |  | | |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 13:28 - Sep 7 with 2432 views | Stanisgod |
| Migrant/Refugee crisis on 08:44 - Sep 7 by Discodroids |
This petition Going around Asking for Signatures for The UK to accept more migrants that has reached in excess of 400,000 signatures. I can understand the good Intentions of people who sign it, but i havent met a single person who has signed it in my neck of the woods.Of course its quite different in other parts of london/ the country which i understand.
to sign this petition, You only have to tick a box to STATE youre a british citizen and an e mail address , the veracity of it concerns me. What to stop this petition doing the rounds across europe to peoples mobile phones?.
Its as confusing to me as the government stating that 53,00 from Romania and Bulgaria came to the UK last year when 220,000 National insurance numbers were handed out to the same demographic in the same Calendar period.
in any case it would be interesting to see how many of these 400,ooo people who have signed this petition are prepared to accept them in their own homes , perhaps using their omnipotent power of righteousness as Virtual Matrix style jcb diggers for new homes.
as a side note this Country has contributed one thousand million pounds to the refugee centers , more than the rest of the EU put together.
for shame. [Post edited 7 Sep 2015 9:32]
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I wonder how many of these 400,000 signatories are on the Tower Hamlets waiting list, currently at 22,000 !! It's all very well Cammie saying he's going to give money to councils to house them, but first you need an empty houses/flats to put them in.
Hotels, B & b's and private landlords must be rubbing there hands. |  |
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