| Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 117343 views | CountyJim |
I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity
He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:04 - Aug 12 with 2754 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:55 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Apart of course from its stated aim of "independence within the EU" right there in the first paragraph of the party's own constitution? Dropped the ball a bit there, Tramp. And let's face it, if Plaid wasn't a Welsh nationalist party you wouldn't be shilling for them constantly like you do. |
Only hardline communists and certain religious sects believe in a World government that I have heard of and I voted for Foot in 83 so you need to rethink your last sentence.
A case of the Labour party abandoned me and not the other way around perhaps, some of us are true to our principles, but others need to be questioned on that score, like Corbyn. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:08 - Aug 12 with 2750 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:04 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Only hardline communists and certain religious sects believe in a World government that I have heard of and I voted for Foot in 83 so you need to rethink your last sentence.
A case of the Labour party abandoned me and not the other way around perhaps, some of us are true to our principles, but others need to be questioned on that score, like Corbyn. |
Ok I've got an hour or so. What's a world government got to do with anything? Unless you're continuing the bizarre theme of anyone who recognises national borders being a "nationalist". Which of course is not only nonsense but also wrong as a matter of fact and definition. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:29 - Aug 12 with 2712 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:08 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Ok I've got an hour or so. What's a world government got to do with anything? Unless you're continuing the bizarre theme of anyone who recognises national borders being a "nationalist". Which of course is not only nonsense but also wrong as a matter of fact and definition. |
That is the type of thing a jack boot wearing imperialist Brit Nat would say.
Its what they do to try and stigmatise certain groups when they really need to take a look at themselves.
You did not initially believe that certain Welsh flags were banned from the national stadium until I gave you the evidence, totally blinked by Brit Nats propaganda and spin. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:31 - Aug 12 with 2712 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:29 - Aug 12 by trampie |
That is the type of thing a jack boot wearing imperialist Brit Nat would say.
Its what they do to try and stigmatise certain groups when they really need to take a look at themselves.
You did not initially believe that certain Welsh flags were banned from the national stadium until I gave you the evidence, totally blinked by Brit Nats propaganda and spin. |
Nice deflection but it doesn't alter the fact that you don't understand what nationalism means. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:57 - Aug 12 with 2682 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:31 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Nice deflection but it doesn't alter the fact that you don't understand what nationalism means. |
On the contrary, everything in life is all relative, its all about context, one group calling another group nationalists where the ones doing the labelling are 100 times more nationalistic is laughable.
Brit Nats empire. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:59 - Aug 12 with 2625 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:57 - Aug 12 by trampie |
On the contrary, everything in life is all relative, its all about context, one group calling another group nationalists where the ones doing the labelling are 100 times more nationalistic is laughable.
Brit Nats empire. |
You are Boris Johnson and I claim my ten pounds |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 21:38 - Aug 12 with 2592 views | Jack_Meoff |
"Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons which could hit London in 45 minutes" - Tony Blair.
"Anybody but Corbyn" - Tony Blair. |  |
| If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:57 - Aug 12 with 2544 views | Lohengrin |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:31 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Nice deflection but it doesn't alter the fact that you don't understand what nationalism means. |
All Nationalists, of whatever nation, share the same philosophical characteristic - a mystical belief in the relationship between blood and soil - there are other shared traits and, by the same token, divergences but the former is the intellectual datum.
Take it from me, Clase as a forthright, lifetime apostle I know what the parameters of Nationalism are and whose arguments fall within or without the pale. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:26 - Aug 12 with 2516 views | perchrockjack |
Chris Mullen now.
Well ,I see this thread is a nice diversion from the real world. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 05:26 - Aug 13 with 2474 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:57 - Aug 12 by Lohengrin |
All Nationalists, of whatever nation, share the same philosophical characteristic - a mystical belief in the relationship between blood and soil - there are other shared traits and, by the same token, divergences but the former is the intellectual datum.
Take it from me, Clase as a forthright, lifetime apostle I know what the parameters of Nationalism are and whose arguments fall within or without the pale. |
Pretty. But you mistyped. What you should have said was that all nationalists share a mystical belief in artificially drawn and arbitrarily decided lines on a map and an irrational belief that some nations are "better" than others. [Post edited 13 Aug 2015 5:27]
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:23 - Aug 13 with 2418 views | GehbeHindert_Bosman |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 05:26 - Aug 13 by exiledclaseboy |
Pretty. But you mistyped. What you should have said was that all nationalists share a mystical belief in artificially drawn and arbitrarily decided lines on a map and an irrational belief that some nations are "better" than others. [Post edited 13 Aug 2015 5:27]
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​Playing Devil's advocate for a minute.
Wouldn't the scenes at Calais prove that some nations are in fact "better" than others and that some people, historically, have made bad choices about where to settle?
I would also rather clean toilets in Rickmansworth on a minimum wage than live in Somalia or Eritrea. those countries are inhospitable shltholes full of sand and rock.
I don't buy into all this looney left crap about flagellating ourselves over a colonial past and constantly apologising for percieved historical injuries. Most nations have a murky past but that doesn't mean they have to welcome millions with open arms until their town or city resembles a swarming colony of ants. If that's the rationale maybe they should relocate The State of Israel to Germany.I'm sure Merkel would love Bavaria being turned into a giant Kibbutz. They could grow Helmut Kohl-Rabi
One theory I have, and it's never going to be a crowd pleaser with socialist types, is that the real reason Arabs and Moslems in general are constantly angry and shouty, not so much out of a sense of ire and injustice at the West's interference in their regional conflicts, but moreover - being under the yoke of a backward, sexually repressive, medieval religion aside - that sand must get EVERYWHERE and be sheer torture in that sweltering heat. it's why you never see Moslems in the UK on the beach enjoying a Mr Whippy and building sandcastles - historically, they've simply had enough of the stuff. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 12:05 - Aug 13 with 2390 views | trampie |
If Corbyn wins the Labour leadership race he needs to make it clear that the Tories currently within the Labour party are no longer welcome, now that is an awful lot of Tories, but he needs to do it and take Labour back to its socialist roots, if he wins his first address should be that he is prepared to work with Plaid the SNP and the Greens and that he has more in common with them than lots of people currently in the Labour party who should be told that they are not welcome anymore.
Nail colours to the mast. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 12:06 - Aug 13 with 2397 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:23 - Aug 13 by GehbeHindert_Bosman |
​Playing Devil's advocate for a minute.
Wouldn't the scenes at Calais prove that some nations are in fact "better" than others and that some people, historically, have made bad choices about where to settle?
I would also rather clean toilets in Rickmansworth on a minimum wage than live in Somalia or Eritrea. those countries are inhospitable shltholes full of sand and rock.
I don't buy into all this looney left crap about flagellating ourselves over a colonial past and constantly apologising for percieved historical injuries. Most nations have a murky past but that doesn't mean they have to welcome millions with open arms until their town or city resembles a swarming colony of ants. If that's the rationale maybe they should relocate The State of Israel to Germany.I'm sure Merkel would love Bavaria being turned into a giant Kibbutz. They could grow Helmut Kohl-Rabi
One theory I have, and it's never going to be a crowd pleaser with socialist types, is that the real reason Arabs and Moslems in general are constantly angry and shouty, not so much out of a sense of ire and injustice at the West's interference in their regional conflicts, but moreover - being under the yoke of a backward, sexually repressive, medieval religion aside - that sand must get EVERYWHERE and be sheer torture in that sweltering heat. it's why you never see Moslems in the UK on the beach enjoying a Mr Whippy and building sandcastles - historically, they've simply had enough of the stuff. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:12 - Aug 13 with 2364 views | perchrockjack |
Quite who this Dutch like poster name chappie is ,i really don't know but I find him rather sexy. My kind of guy.
Cleaning toilets in Hertfordshire.?
That would be public ones then as the private ones are normally paid £2.15 ph. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 21:56 - Aug 14 with 2199 views | quiff |
Perchie and Trampie in an interesting race to see who can talk the most bollocks in one thread... | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:26 - Aug 16 with 2096 views | perchrockjack |
Bollocks how, quiff?
Take your time but stick to topic eh.
I have no idea what trample is posting these days as he is beyond help, if he is serious
Off ya go ,big boy | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:34 - Aug 16 with 2092 views | blueytheblue |
I'm loving the carnage at the moment.
Corbyn according to ally Owen "Ooops, how does Income tax work?" Jones is running a "positive campaign free of insults".
Of course his followers / acolytes / groupies on social media abide that mantra by routinely espousing antisemitism ( one of whom used to post on CCMB - through incendiary links which he usually failed to follow up on. On link was a page which itself linked to....Stormfront ) and misogynistic abuse at Cooper and Kendall.
I've no doubt if Corbyn wins enough Labour MPs will trigger a new leadership election. It's becoming an utter shambles showing elements of the left are every bit as bad as elements of the right. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:55 - Aug 16 with 2077 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:34 - Aug 16 by blueytheblue |
I'm loving the carnage at the moment.
Corbyn according to ally Owen "Ooops, how does Income tax work?" Jones is running a "positive campaign free of insults".
Of course his followers / acolytes / groupies on social media abide that mantra by routinely espousing antisemitism ( one of whom used to post on CCMB - through incendiary links which he usually failed to follow up on. On link was a page which itself linked to....Stormfront ) and misogynistic abuse at Cooper and Kendall.
I've no doubt if Corbyn wins enough Labour MPs will trigger a new leadership election. It's becoming an utter shambles showing elements of the left are every bit as bad as elements of the right. |
I posted a pro-Corbyn diatribe on social media last night. I was a bit p*ssed and designed mainly to get a reaction. I've no particular dog in this fight. But you'll be pleased to know that I refrained from including the ubiquitous anti-semitism that you find apparently everywhere. I had no idea it had become such an issue in the Labour leadership contest. Oh, hang on. It hasn't. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:40 - Aug 16 with 2047 views | blueytheblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:55 - Aug 16 by exiledclaseboy |
I posted a pro-Corbyn diatribe on social media last night. I was a bit p*ssed and designed mainly to get a reaction. I've no particular dog in this fight. But you'll be pleased to know that I refrained from including the ubiquitous anti-semitism that you find apparently everywhere. I had no idea it had become such an issue in the Labour leadership contest. Oh, hang on. It hasn't. |
"Apparently everywhere".
No, not everywhere. Nor did my post indicate I believe all Corbyn supporters are anti-semitic or indeed have a distain for women ( a part you missed out in your post ).
If you seriously don't believe it's an issue in the Labour leadership contest - the contest for a party freely claiming to want all forms of equality - then you're plain wrong. When Kendall and Cooper have repeated been abused using gender specific terms then it's an issue. When known anti-semites have been backing Corbyn - and indeed in the case of Eisen, claiming to have received funding from Corbyn, then there's an issue.
Giving Corbyn the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure it's just a co-incidence he's attracted some of the followers he has. His silence on addressing the issues has to be of some concern. For one thing, the worse this gets the more chance of Labour MPs going for a new contest. Sadly for Labour, that can only happen a year after the leadership election, potentially a year of the party being ripped apart. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:45 - Aug 16 with 2040 views | JackSomething |
I'm hearing from all these Labour people who used to be in power that Corbyn winning will be a disaster for their party. Fair enough. I've also heard the other leadership contenders say the same thing. So I'm expecting their next move to be for two of them to quit the race and throw their combined weight behind whichever one is left against Corbyn.
After all, if Corbyn winning will be so damaging to the party they claim to love, they'll do whatever is needed to stop him winning, no matter if it ends their chances of becoming PM. Right? |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:50 - Aug 16 with 2033 views | blueytheblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:45 - Aug 16 by JackSomething |
I'm hearing from all these Labour people who used to be in power that Corbyn winning will be a disaster for their party. Fair enough. I've also heard the other leadership contenders say the same thing. So I'm expecting their next move to be for two of them to quit the race and throw their combined weight behind whichever one is left against Corbyn.
After all, if Corbyn winning will be so damaging to the party they claim to love, they'll do whatever is needed to stop him winning, no matter if it ends their chances of becoming PM. Right? |
There's no need to at this stage though. It's not a one and done vote.
The bottom person is eliminated each round are they not unless one candidate reaches a clear winning majority?
That's why Ed won - as each candidate went out, the union votes went to their next favoured candidate so at the end, Ed won even though Dave won every other round.
If the first round showed it would be a clear Corbyn - Burnham fight with Kendall and Cooper trailing by a large margin, which I've an inkling might be the case, then I'd be surprised if whichever wasn't eliminated didn't pull out at that point. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:51 - Aug 16 with 2033 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:45 - Aug 16 by JackSomething |
I'm hearing from all these Labour people who used to be in power that Corbyn winning will be a disaster for their party. Fair enough. I've also heard the other leadership contenders say the same thing. So I'm expecting their next move to be for two of them to quit the race and throw their combined weight behind whichever one is left against Corbyn.
After all, if Corbyn winning will be so damaging to the party they claim to love, they'll do whatever is needed to stop him winning, no matter if it ends their chances of becoming PM. Right? |
Kendal should certainly have pulled out by now. She's a distant fourth and she could have thrown her weight behind Burnham or Cooper. It amuses me no end how Labour, or at least its grandees and some MPs, seem terrified of electing an actual socialist as leader. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:54 - Aug 16 with 2027 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:50 - Aug 16 by blueytheblue |
There's no need to at this stage though. It's not a one and done vote.
The bottom person is eliminated each round are they not unless one candidate reaches a clear winning majority?
That's why Ed won - as each candidate went out, the union votes went to their next favoured candidate so at the end, Ed won even though Dave won every other round.
If the first round showed it would be a clear Corbyn - Burnham fight with Kendall and Cooper trailing by a large margin, which I've an inkling might be the case, then I'd be surprised if whichever wasn't eliminated didn't pull out at that point. |
If Corbyn wins more tha m 50% of first preference votes, which is very possible maybe even likely, the elimination process doesn't happen. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:54 - Aug 16 with 2027 views | blueytheblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:51 - Aug 16 by exiledclaseboy |
Kendal should certainly have pulled out by now. She's a distant fourth and she could have thrown her weight behind Burnham or Cooper. It amuses me no end how Labour, or at least its grandees and some MPs, seem terrified of electing an actual socialist as leader. |
Fear of another Foot scenario. I've doubts a pure socialist leader would win an outright majority in a general election for the forseeable future as the nation has moved more to the centre ground.
I also suspect it's more the case Corbyn has baggage more than anything. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:57 - Aug 16 with 2024 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:54 - Aug 16 by blueytheblue |
Fear of another Foot scenario. I've doubts a pure socialist leader would win an outright majority in a general election for the forseeable future as the nation has moved more to the centre ground.
I also suspect it's more the case Corbyn has baggage more than anything. |
I agree on the first point but Labour's losing in 2020 anyway so they may as well present the leftist manifesto and then wriggle back to the hugely overrated centre ground by 2025 by when everyone's sick of the Tories and it'll be Labour's turn again. | |
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