| Why?? 11:38 - Dec 30 with 2696 views | garabaldi |
Around 6 seconds before the scousers 2nd goal last night, Williams had the ball, turned to again pass it backwards to Fabianski. Why??
He had at least another 2 options. One of them being....putting his foot on the ball and turning towards the oppositions goal! There was no one behind him!!
Too much "play the way your facing" backwards and sideways passing. Predictable. |  | | |  |
| Why?? on 11:41 - Dec 30 with 2677 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I agree totally, with Sterling and Lallana's speed it was obvious that they were putting Fab under added pressure by passing back all the time.
It was so predictable and dangerous.
Lallana was just lucky the ball ended up in the net, it could have gone anywhere. | | | |
| Why?? on 11:54 - Dec 30 with 2606 views | Pegojack |
I can't blame Ash too much for that one. As I said in another post, the replay from behind the goal showed this was an error of judgement by Fab.
He had enough time to launch it straight back down the field, but he tried to be cute and chip it square to a Swans defender to keep possession. Unfortunately, he was a split second late, and we know the result.
Play the percentage game, mun. Safety first. [Post edited 30 Dec 2014 12:08]
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| Why?? on 11:57 - Dec 30 with 2582 views | Rancid |
Routledges defensive clearance was comical.Did he forget which way we were playing? |  | | |
| Why?? on 12:00 - Dec 30 with 2557 views | Dr_Winston |
Going backwards as a first resort is something we saw a lot of under Rodgers, died out (for a while at least) under Laudrup and has made a comeback with a vengeance this season.
There will always be a time and a place for sensible ball retention, but we do do it too often when there are better options available. It is frustrating to watch players get the ball in open space and turn backwards almost as a reflex action. Taylor is particularly good at it. |  |
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| Why?? on 12:13 - Dec 30 with 2477 views | QuakerJack |
I think Ash needs a rest... wouldn't mind seeing Amat and Fernandez together. |  |
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| Why?? on 12:17 - Dec 30 with 2452 views | garabaldi |
If we as supporters can see where the next pass is going then the opposition will have a field day!
Robotic is the term that I use for most players these days, and Williams backpass last night when there were easier more intelligent options available backs that up.
As for Jazz, Taylor and Dyer their first instinct when getting the ball is to go back.
Come on Gary, mix it up a bit please? | | | |
| Why?? on 12:24 - Dec 30 with 2403 views | JackFish |
| Why?? on 12:00 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Going backwards as a first resort is something we saw a lot of under Rodgers, died out (for a while at least) under Laudrup and has made a comeback with a vengeance this season.
There will always be a time and a place for sensible ball retention, but we do do it too often when there are better options available. It is frustrating to watch players get the ball in open space and turn backwards almost as a reflex action. Taylor is particularly good at it. |
It was even more frustrating that we kept doing it even after Fab's error and another few kicks that went wayward into touch. He was obviously struggling with the pressure they were putting on him so why did we keep doing it?? |  | | |
| Why?? on 12:49 - Dec 30 with 2348 views | WarwickHunt |
| Why?? on 12:00 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Going backwards as a first resort is something we saw a lot of under Rodgers, died out (for a while at least) under Laudrup and has made a comeback with a vengeance this season.
There will always be a time and a place for sensible ball retention, but we do do it too often when there are better options available. It is frustrating to watch players get the ball in open space and turn backwards almost as a reflex action. Taylor is particularly good at it. |
I lost count of the number of times Taylor took the easy option when in space last night. |  | | |
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| Why?? on 13:15 - Dec 30 with 2265 views | Rancid |
| Why?? on 12:00 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Going backwards as a first resort is something we saw a lot of under Rodgers, died out (for a while at least) under Laudrup and has made a comeback with a vengeance this season.
There will always be a time and a place for sensible ball retention, but we do do it too often when there are better options available. It is frustrating to watch players get the ball in open space and turn backwards almost as a reflex action. Taylor is particularly good at it. |
Very true.At one point last night Routledge I think it was or Fernandez, maybe, made a 60 yard back pass to Fabianski when there were options ahead.The whole ground laughed and jeered and so did the commentators.
This is Monk reverting or trying to revert to the style we were well known for and you can't blame him for that because it's what we all (fans) wanted again as it's brought us success and a unique identity right throughout football.Going backwards was fine before and still can be because it retains possession, which is what we're all about, or used to be under Martinez, Rodgers and Laudrup for a while before he decided to change things round.Back then we could knock it back to Vorm or Dorus and then comfortable and confident enough in possession to just play around at the back with it and just keep hold of the ball and in the meantime pulling the opposition all out of shape.Then 20 passes later we'd spot a gap and go for it.That's what we were and hoped for again under Monk.
So why does it seem we're miles away from achieving this with arguably better players at our disposal? We've got the man who knows us and our ethos better than anyone pulling the strings for us yet we're light years away from looking like the side that won in Valencia and at the Emirates.Could it be that we're now seen as a really good and respected side and other teams know they will have to be at their very best to compete with us and to compete with us all you seem to have to do is harass us when we're in possession and do what we do, or used to and just keep the ball for as long as possible or until an opportunity arose?Liverpool last night were like we used to be or as close to as I've seen.I suppose you'd expect it considering who their manager is. I'm rambling now and no doubt over-reacting so I'll shurrup, but it's disappointing to see us play so poorly under Monk who i thought would be the man to bring the sparkle and zip (T2C)(c) back to the Jacks.
Anyway, enough moaning from me, I'm off to buy myself a shirt for tomorrows faux fun NYE party
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| Why?? on 13:18 - Dec 30 with 2251 views | ApeShit |
| Why?? on 13:15 - Dec 30 by Rancid |
Very true.At one point last night Routledge I think it was or Fernandez, maybe, made a 60 yard back pass to Fabianski when there were options ahead.The whole ground laughed and jeered and so did the commentators.
This is Monk reverting or trying to revert to the style we were well known for and you can't blame him for that because it's what we all (fans) wanted again as it's brought us success and a unique identity right throughout football.Going backwards was fine before and still can be because it retains possession, which is what we're all about, or used to be under Martinez, Rodgers and Laudrup for a while before he decided to change things round.Back then we could knock it back to Vorm or Dorus and then comfortable and confident enough in possession to just play around at the back with it and just keep hold of the ball and in the meantime pulling the opposition all out of shape.Then 20 passes later we'd spot a gap and go for it.That's what we were and hoped for again under Monk.
So why does it seem we're miles away from achieving this with arguably better players at our disposal? We've got the man who knows us and our ethos better than anyone pulling the strings for us yet we're light years away from looking like the side that won in Valencia and at the Emirates.Could it be that we're now seen as a really good and respected side and other teams know they will have to be at their very best to compete with us and to compete with us all you seem to have to do is harass us when we're in possession and do what we do, or used to and just keep the ball for as long as possible or until an opportunity arose?Liverpool last night were like we used to be or as close to as I've seen.I suppose you'd expect it considering who their manager is. I'm rambling now and no doubt over-reacting so I'll shurrup, but it's disappointing to see us play so poorly under Monk who i thought would be the man to bring the sparkle and zip (T2C)(c) back to the Jacks.
Anyway, enough moaning from me, I'm off to buy myself a shirt for tomorrows faux fun NYE party
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Spot on mate. |  | | |
| Why?? on 13:23 - Dec 30 with 2213 views | Dr_Winston |
I've said it before, but he's trying to emulate the way we played in our first season up under Brendan, which is a perfectly natural thing for a rookie manager to do. Go with a system that you believe to be proven.
Problem is we've got better players now and it's frustrating to see them be so unnecessarily cautious. One of the reasons Montero has been such a breath of fresh air lately is that he seems to be the only one not interested in doing it. | |
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| Why?? on 15:50 - Dec 30 with 1854 views | garabaldi |
All valid points lads, and agree with all.
What is wrong with running at defenders? The art of tackling by defenders is long since died, and they have no clue how to handle it.
Montero being a prime example here, and we all rave about him, but what he does is nothing new.
Also, and I hate to say this, but Leon shouldn't be picked away from home. At home yes, every time, but away from home he is not the answer. | | | |
| Why?? on 15:58 - Dec 30 with 1810 views | Rancid |
| Why?? on 15:50 - Dec 30 by garabaldi |
All valid points lads, and agree with all.
What is wrong with running at defenders? The art of tackling by defenders is long since died, and they have no clue how to handle it.
Montero being a prime example here, and we all rave about him, but what he does is nothing new.
Also, and I hate to say this, but Leon shouldn't be picked away from home. At home yes, every time, but away from home he is not the answer. |
Most are too scared to say on here that we need an upgrade on Leon.It's ok to say we need a good new DM but you can't say Leon isn't good enough nowadays at this level if we want to further ourselves.
I hope you read this quickly before it gets deleted by the powers that be.It might not even post if the Leon filter is switched on. | | | |
| Why?? on 16:09 - Dec 30 with 1772 views | monmouth |
| Why?? on 12:49 - Dec 30 by WarwickHunt |
I lost count of the number of times Taylor took the easy option when in space last night. |
Well now you come to mention it, yeah it does my swede in too. Chico was good at striding forward with the ball which creates space and only jjs (can I mention him yet?) tries it now, maybe ki in a blue moon. |  |
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| Why?? on 16:21 - Dec 30 with 1751 views | 3swan |
| Why?? on 15:58 - Dec 30 by Rancid |
Most are too scared to say on here that we need an upgrade on Leon.It's ok to say we need a good new DM but you can't say Leon isn't good enough nowadays at this level if we want to further ourselves.
I hope you read this quickly before it gets deleted by the powers that be.It might not even post if the Leon filter is switched on. |
Leon was always the first name on the teamsheet for me.
Maybe this injury has affected him for the long term, as he's not as mobile as he was. Hasn't he also had an ongoing back injury from years ago? | | | |
| Why?? on 17:28 - Dec 30 with 1581 views | blackjackwood |
| Why?? on 12:00 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Going backwards as a first resort is something we saw a lot of under Rodgers, died out (for a while at least) under Laudrup and has made a comeback with a vengeance this season.
There will always be a time and a place for sensible ball retention, but we do do it too often when there are better options available. It is frustrating to watch players get the ball in open space and turn backwards almost as a reflex action. Taylor is particularly good at it. |
Taylor frustrates the hell out of me,. Time and again he doesn't see options that are there and ends up putting Ash under pressure by passing back - last nights second goal was a good example !!! Rodgers had him sussed - everytime he got the ball Liverpool players covered his back passes !
Jazz on the other hand does try to find other options but unfortunately isn't sharp enough and ends up losing the ball . . . . .
Why doesn't Dyer use his pace to go past defenders ? He's developed the annoying habit of getting the best of the defender only to stop and wait for support ! | | | |
| Why?? on 17:54 - Dec 30 with 1507 views | curleigh |
| Why?? on 15:50 - Dec 30 by garabaldi |
All valid points lads, and agree with all.
What is wrong with running at defenders? The art of tackling by defenders is long since died, and they have no clue how to handle it.
Montero being a prime example here, and we all rave about him, but what he does is nothing new.
Also, and I hate to say this, but Leon shouldn't be picked away from home. At home yes, every time, but away from home he is not the answer. |
I thought Leon was one of our better players last night, always making himself available for a pass, looking to give the man in possession an option,hardly ever gave the ball away, why Monk subbed him instead of the liability that is Shelvey god only knows ??? | | | |
| Why?? on 18:04 - Dec 30 with 1478 views | Dr_Winston |
| Why?? on 17:28 - Dec 30 by blackjackwood |
Taylor frustrates the hell out of me,. Time and again he doesn't see options that are there and ends up putting Ash under pressure by passing back - last nights second goal was a good example !!! Rodgers had him sussed - everytime he got the ball Liverpool players covered his back passes !
Jazz on the other hand does try to find other options but unfortunately isn't sharp enough and ends up losing the ball . . . . .
Why doesn't Dyer use his pace to go past defenders ? He's developed the annoying habit of getting the best of the defender only to stop and wait for support ! |
He just doesn't have the attacking capability. Never has. He's a decent defensive fullback, but fullbacks need to provide more than just defending these days.
For all the misplaced stick Ben Davies took from some quarters last season we've definitely lost something with him no longer available to us, and we need to get it back. | |
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