| this new stadium that we want to build? 20:51 - Dec 6 with 6884 views | HollowayRanger |
if we do managed to ever get it built and leave the safety of the bush
where we gonna get our points from! |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 17:25 - Dec 8 with 1255 views | TacticalR |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 17:18 - Dec 8 by bosh67 |
Perhaps the club needs to encourage more munchkins? |
I finally understand the logic behind the family stand. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 17:29 - Dec 8 with 1245 views | qprewan |
I was initially quite keen on the new stadium plan but going more and more off the idea... really don't want to be the Wigan, Mk dons of London; when what we have now is a ground with character and lots of loyal supporters. Sure we could go down the Fulham route of attracting neutrals but look how they fall away when they drop a division- and they spent a lot of years up there. We are not even selling out at the moment |  | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 19:32 - Dec 8 with 1193 views | nadera78 |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 14:51 - Dec 8 by Juzzie |
Yes, it 'can' happen if the club are willing to spend over a hundred million pounds just buying up the properties around the ground (and the years of delays this will take) then the demolition and rebuilding costs plus the rent we'll have to pay to groundshare for at least 2 years, maybe more, and so on.
All this to end up with a stadium that will probably hold 7k-12k more that it currently does and will only really be able to be a single-use venue so straight away cutting off other potential income streams.
The fact of the matter is no one would do it. Don't need a report to tell us that. |
We could probably add 5/6,000 onto South Africa Road, which would obviously mean no land purchase. The paddocks hold 2,000 or so, remove the tier of boxes and install seats in there - as it was when first built. That's another 2-3,000 seats. Remove the roof and stanchions and add a third tier which would be another 2-3,000. While you're doing that, you could change some of the seats in the middle of SAR to expand the corporate seats to make up for the loss of the boxes.
I'd also be moving the offices, box office and shop out of the stand and converting those empty spaces into lounges, bars and restaurants. These would be available for hire 365 days a year. Just need to find a small parcel of land nearby for the offices, etc. there's absolutely no need for them to be in the actual stadium.
If you decided you really wanted the boxes you might be able to move them over to the Ellerslie without increasing the height of that stand. You might need to purchase 1 property behind it just increase the access/exit.
But, as to you point about buying land:
24 houses back onto Ellerslie Road stand and another 17 on Loftus Road. Google tells me the houses sell for a little under £1.5million each. Even the ones split into flats are going to add up to around that price in total. 41 properties at 1.5 (plus 10% on top as a sweetener) comes out at £48million.
The problem isn't so much the cost, it's persuading people to sell.
But my main point is you could take the capacity up to around about 25,000 for a cost of about £20million. | | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 19:42 - Dec 8 with 1176 views | QPRDave |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 20:24 - Dec 8 with 1154 views | CamberleyR |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 17:29 - Dec 8 by qprewan |
I was initially quite keen on the new stadium plan but going more and more off the idea... really don't want to be the Wigan, Mk dons of London; when what we have now is a ground with character and lots of loyal supporters. Sure we could go down the Fulham route of attracting neutrals but look how they fall away when they drop a division- and they spent a lot of years up there. We are not even selling out at the moment |
"We are not even selling out at the moment"
We are as near as dammit selling out. Our eight home fixtures this season have totalled 141,631
This is 96% of total capacity. This is not taking into account the away allocation of about 1500 fully selling out which probably apart from Liverpool and City hasn't so you could probably add another 1.5-2% making our home allocation of 17000 every game about 97-98% taken. The few hundred that aren't taken are probably the horrendously restricted view seats. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 20:56 - Dec 8 with 1140 views | qprewan |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 20:24 - Dec 8 by CamberleyR |
"We are not even selling out at the moment"
We are as near as dammit selling out. Our eight home fixtures this season have totalled 141,631
This is 96% of total capacity. This is not taking into account the away allocation of about 1500 fully selling out which probably apart from Liverpool and City hasn't so you could probably add another 1.5-2% making our home allocation of 17000 every game about 97-98% taken. The few hundred that aren't taken are probably the horrendously restricted view seats. |
No you are basically right most of the seats left are single ones in the lower loft that they are ridiculously not allowed to sell. my point was a bit more general and that to be more specific I should have said we are just about selling out, usually in the last day or so. of course we need more capacity; just reckon it could be done at LR. | | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 21:12 - Dec 8 with 1121 views | HollowayRanger |
but are we selling out with QPR fans or other teams fans/neturals
if we have a 30-40,ooo seater in the prem we might well fill it if priced fairly but outside the prem ????? how many QPR fans will turn up week after week
we couldn't sell out last season could we?
we certainly need to have the design of the stadium done in a way where we can moth ball part of it cheaply as and when its not needed | |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 21:45 - Dec 8 with 1092 views | derbyhoop |
Most accept that we cannot add to the LR capacity without increasing the size of the site. The difficulties in buying up the necessary properties means that either the cost is prohibitive compared with the difference it can make or the delay is unacceptable.
If / when we move the design will be vitally important. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 21:47 - Dec 8 with 1089 views | TGRRRSSS |
Many cluibs have comfortably grown their attendences after moving to a new ground, other than us being QPR I fail to see why it's an issue for us but wasn't for so many of them.
London alone has 8m people who could potentially watch QPR games. |  | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 22:40 - Dec 8 with 1046 views | ElHoop |
But safe terracing, getting rid of the boxes, these would have a negative impact on turnover - there's no way that anyone would spend money on 'improvements' which more than likely wouldn't ever pay for themselves. It's going to have been looked at so often that it just can't make any sense commercially. |  | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 22:47 - Dec 8 with 1043 views | kensalriser |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 22:40 - Dec 8 by ElHoop |
But safe terracing, getting rid of the boxes, these would have a negative impact on turnover - there's no way that anyone would spend money on 'improvements' which more than likely wouldn't ever pay for themselves. It's going to have been looked at so often that it just can't make any sense commercially. |
It doesn't matter what logic you throw at it, some people just won't have it that extending LR isn't viable. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 23:19 - Dec 8 with 1026 views | nadera78 |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 22:47 - Dec 8 by kensalriser |
It doesn't matter what logic you throw at it, some people just won't have it that extending LR isn't viable. |
Well then you'd better start coming up wih options because the chances of us moving to Old Oak are pretty small. | | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 00:01 - Dec 9 with 1010 views | WeaverQPR |
Most likely scenario is TF farks off we get relegated with huge debt and go back to struggling in the lower half of the championship, crowds dwindle away and LR is now plenty big enough again. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 00:33 - Dec 9 with 1005 views | kensalriser |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 23:19 - Dec 8 by nadera78 |
Well then you'd better start coming up wih options because the chances of us moving to Old Oak are pretty small. |
I think I'll leave that to the board, thanks. | |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 09:33 - Dec 9 with 956 views | GetMeRangers |
Possibly naive but I dont think moving to a bigger ground is just about QPR. I was always of the impression that it was about building a reasonably central London venue to rival O2 which also happens to double as a football stadium. That is the way you make Stadia pay, not by using them for one sole purpose. For that reason, 35-40K makes more sense |  | | |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 13:22 - Dec 9 with 918 views | derbyhoop |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 23:19 - Dec 8 by nadera78 |
Well then you'd better start coming up wih options because the chances of us moving to Old Oak are pretty small. |
Option 1 - do nothing. But it will probably result in us dropping, over time, to a level commensurate with our facilities, revenue and capacity, i.e. League 1. | |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 13:23 - Dec 9 with 913 views | TheBlob |
| this new stadium that we want to build? on 00:33 - Dec 9 by kensalriser |
I think I'll leave that to the board, thanks. |
Or the bored. |  |
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| this new stadium that we want to build? on 15:31 - Dec 9 with 861 views | kensalriser |
I'm bored with this Blob, but I still ain't doing it! | |
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