| Football post. I ll try one 09:54 - Sep 3 with 2464 views | perchrockjack |
Has sky enhanced football in this country or has its money simply gone to players/agents and made the game top heavy.
To me, those in the Conference have a massive job getting back to the "big" time" and for any club to come through is truly incredible.
Fleetwood and Morecombe are ,maybe, real clubs with real fans unlike many.
They have monster clubs within an hours drive and they survive and have actually prgressed |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:04 - Sep 3 with 1740 views | Starsky |
Good question.
Swansea City went to the top flight during the pre-sky years and the post-sky years.
The big difference is the financial gap between the elite and the rest.
The agents have profited the most as have the players.
The teams used to and still do max out on their budgets.
The Sky influence has brought in a new worldwide audience and while all this is great, I yearn for the days of seeing a barrel chested FRannie Lee trying to run through a muddy centre circle etc.
The game has become a Tad sterile for me. However, we joined in at just the the right time to build our legacy that will last for generations to come, no matter whether we stay up or not. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:07 - Sep 3 with 1728 views | jacw |
In my opinion we are all real clubs with real fans , and sky have pushed the English leagues to the forefront of world football with outstanding promotion and coverage.
The fact that we are where we are proves that with sound financial sense and good management choices all the teams in the English pyramid have a shot at the big time. | | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:15 - Sep 3 with 1698 views | Catullus |
I just posted an opinion about the money in the "established clubs" thread.
Sky money has caused more problems than it's solved. It's a miracle that we made it to the top and have stayed here, for now!!
And because the money has increased so much, the chances of another club doing it are very slim.
Of the lower league clubs now, not many have the potential we had. Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bradford, the Sheffields, Coventry, the Bristols and maybe MK Dons have the potential. Other clubs are doomed.
For some it's because they are too close to really big clubs, for others there just isn't the population to provide the crowds needed.
And then other clubs, like Leeds (and Portsmouth) are still struggling with historic debt.
And yes, Cardiff have the potential but several in the Championship do. Several in that division are bigger than us but still cannot match us financially as long as we stay up. And when they do come up, the debt incurred in doing so, hampers them.
Staying debt free/low debt is one of our greatest achievements. It makes us competitive with bigger teams (Newcastle, Sunderland, West Ham) and our whole ethos helps attract better players.
Sky are ripping the heart out of football. With players on a million a month, they earn more than most clubs do in a season!
No player, not even Messi or Ronaldo is worth £300,000 a week, nowhere near. And Falcao coming to the Premier for allegedly £350,000 a week is the craziest thing yet. It shows how out of control top end finances are.
What if he breaks his leg badly first time out and misses the rest of the season? 10 million quid for nothing, it's mad!!
There needs to be real financial control and a maximum wage structure. Maybe we should say that no player can earn more than £25,000 a week and anything over that goes to a pension fund? And that is still a massive wage packet!
And with that we need to stop Sky putting so much into football and spread the money out a bit more anyway, and then they can cut their prices too!!!! | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:19 - Sep 3 with 1686 views | perchrockjack |
Im not sure if its my age or circumstances but Im not as keen to travel around as I once did.
Other issues in life become a priority and quite rightly but there is something missing from the game. Worst for me is the fact grounds fill up so late as it used to be the case you d queue for hours to get in and were then treated like filth. I enjoyed that.
When I move north I went to see Liverpool (no swans commentery )and we got there at 12.30 for 3pm ko and 4.30 for evenings. For the St Etienne game in 77 ,it was full and bursting on the kop 90 minutes before. Being there so early people entertained themselves and scousers being scousers it was always a laugh . People swayed and pissed into pockets but you didn't care such was the excitement of it all.
I Remember the cup run we had in 64 and the heart boiling of bloody madness it all was and to think we took boxes in to stand on.
To see people literally strolling in almost at ko with a phone in one hand and their soul in the other isn't the same. we ve lost the passion, the raw rough nature of it all which was what we were introduced to by our fathers taken us to our first games.
My ol fella should be 90 this year in November and outside family its everything; its you, your club ,your town, your hopes and dreams all in one.IT JUST CHANGE AS YOU GET OLDER but these days there is not the noise, the passion or the glorious stupidity of it all to keep you warm inside..
Sky has allowed us to view games in glorious detail but arguably its killed the game spiritually..
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:23 - Sep 3 with 1677 views | dobjack2 |
The sky money is obscene as is the money lavished on clubs by sugar daddies. Good in the short term for players and agents and fir seeing some quality players but unsustainable business models if the sky bubble bursts. Clubs have become corporate money making entities and fans are always in danger of being treated with contempt by their club as they look to make every pound they can. | | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:27 - Sep 3 with 1663 views | Starsky |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:23 - Sep 3 by dobjack2 |
The sky money is obscene as is the money lavished on clubs by sugar daddies. Good in the short term for players and agents and fir seeing some quality players but unsustainable business models if the sky bubble bursts. Clubs have become corporate money making entities and fans are always in danger of being treated with contempt by their club as they look to make every pound they can. |
You say that but you have clubs that have squandered the opportunities that the sky money had given them. Blackpool the perfect example. All they got out of it was a temporary tin stand. | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:51 - Sep 3 with 1637 views | perchrockjack |
All of us supplement Sky when we watch games-oh yes we do.
None of us would refuse to watch the swans on sky out of principle and that s the tragedy of it all.
BTW, is this thread not worthy of greater contribution as discussing football is allegedly what its all about | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:51 - Sep 3 with 1637 views | Private_Partz |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:07 - Sep 3 by jacw |
In my opinion we are all real clubs with real fans , and sky have pushed the English leagues to the forefront of world football with outstanding promotion and coverage.
The fact that we are where we are proves that with sound financial sense and good management choices all the teams in the English pyramid have a shot at the big time. |
Can't agree there. There are less and less real fans at the top clubs. I bet most of the Chelsea shed are priced out of the game now if they are still alive. The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. (As it always will be in the world of the Tory). It is becoming increasingly difficult to move up the leagues and progress. If some had their way the Prem would be invite only based on financial clout and stadium size with no relegation.
Sky have pumped money into the game but the powers that be have totally mismanaged things.
On a brighter note if the bubble did burst we would be in a much better position than most to ride the storm. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 10:52 - Sep 3 with 1634 views | perchrockjack |
THIS IS GREAT STUFF.
Im out soon so ffs keep it up and lets stop this recent bitchfest | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 11:04 - Sep 3 with 1601 views | scottishjack |
It's a tricky one with regards SKY, have they enhanced football in this country? Yes, without doubt. Do I enjoy it as much as when I was younger? No.
It feels like a sanitized version of football these days, yes, the stadiums are all very nice, the pitches are immaculate, and the dark old days of looking over your shoulder at away games are almost a thing of the past, but it's just not quite the same anymore.
On the opposite end of the scale, my 14 year old boy has grown up with SKY, FIFA games, the Swans doing well etc. And he loves it all...
Personally I still pine for the Vetch, sod all to do with SKY I know, but still... |  | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 11:04 - Sep 3 with 1599 views | jack247 |
Depends what you want.
If you want the best quality players, the best coverage (in terms of quality and volume) and a club that is a massive asset to the local area, then undoubtedly it has.
If you want the atmosphere of the Vetch, the camaraderie on the motorway travelling to games and the feeling of being part of something that people who don't support their local team will never understand, then no. That has probably gone forever.
Personally, I would say yes, but I do look back at the old days with a lot of nostalgia. | | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 11:06 - Sep 3 with 1590 views | C_jack |
Pre-sky, the game here was in a bit of a state. Clubs were still suffering from the exclusion of European football, and the top players in the land were off playing in Spain, Italy, France. The league had one representation in the EC and they were getting beat, comfortably by teams that it would be considered embarrassing to lose to now.
The money has no doubt enhanced the standard, the money attracted foreign players to come here, when they had no previous ambition to do so, and in turn their influence raised the standard of others. Instead of using the money to keep that standard improving, the money just went to attract more foreign stars, or keep the very good players in house. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 11:11 - Sep 3 with 1580 views | dobjack2 |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:27 - Sep 3 by Starsky |
You say that but you have clubs that have squandered the opportunities that the sky money had given them. Blackpool the perfect example. All they got out of it was a temporary tin stand. |
Unless the sky money is used to benefit the local community it is being squandered. It is generally spent to achieve a league place to get sky money again the following year.It is addictive and drives behaviours. | | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 11:12 - Sep 3 with 1578 views | jacksinceever |
I hate Sky with a vengeance, but the money that comes into Swans has helped us to progress. So it's a double-edged sword.
However sport in general has been robbed from the masses due to the exclusivity of their live broadcast. People who can't afford the expensive TV packages and don't want to spend their lives in bars & clubs are stopped from seeing sport that used to be available for all |  | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 11:13 - Sep 3 with 1575 views | DDCH |
Agree with an awful lot of what I have read here.
SKY has/is as much a problem for the football fan as it is a help. The quality of the leagues have improved, and for a football fan the more of it on TV the better.
The experience has changed though, into a more corporate event. The price of the match tickets is incredibly high, and for a lot of people it is unaffordable, especially when the whole family want to join in.
One of my biggest bugs with SKY is that everyone has become a football expert.
I on the other hand openly state that most of the time am a wide eyed football fan who is fallowing the ball around, and often misses the tactical intricacy of play. I just enjoy it for what it is and don't feel qualified enough to judge on tactics and stats.
Stats is my next bug of SKY. They love stats.....61% possession ------ 98% pass rate ------ etc.
I don't care if I am honest. I want to know how many times Nathan Dyer ran and a man and turned him. How many crazy things Shelvey did that game that border on genius or madness, but they stuff that I love is not stat-able but counting thrown ins is. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 11:17 - Sep 3 with 1566 views | Private_Partz |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:27 - Sep 3 by Starsky |
You say that but you have clubs that have squandered the opportunities that the sky money had given them. Blackpool the perfect example. All they got out of it was a temporary tin stand. |
There are plenty of car crashes as well. I agree. I am talking about the increasing difficulties of financially well run clubs like ours.
Blackpool did make a fist of it and got a stand behind the goal as well (it was only two sided prior to the season before promotion.
They were prudent in their dealings but unfortunately they did not have fit and proper owners. Another grouse I have with the powers that be that allow these types to rule at clubs. | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 11:21 - Sep 3 with 1560 views | jacksinceever |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:51 - Sep 3 by Private_Partz |
Can't agree there. There are less and less real fans at the top clubs. I bet most of the Chelsea shed are priced out of the game now if they are still alive. The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. (As it always will be in the world of the Tory). It is becoming increasingly difficult to move up the leagues and progress. If some had their way the Prem would be invite only based on financial clout and stadium size with no relegation.
Sky have pumped money into the game but the powers that be have totally mismanaged things.
On a brighter note if the bubble did burst we would be in a much better position than most to ride the storm. |
We are still a real club with real fans, and because we are a "provincial" club, not like the Manchester or London "big" clubs we'll never IMO be top-heavy with the prawn sandwich brigade | | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 13:27 - Sep 3 with 1504 views | perchrockjack |
Not a bad thread is it.
Can be done
Now Chrissy make a pertinent comment followed by one from davillon | |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 16:41 - Sep 3 with 1411 views | Starsky |
| Football post. I ll try one on 13:27 - Sep 3 by perchrockjack |
Not a bad thread is it.
Can be done
Now Chrissy make a pertinent comment followed by one from davillon |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 17:02 - Sep 3 with 1386 views | hammy |
| Football post. I ll try one on 11:12 - Sep 3 by jacksinceever |
I hate Sky with a vengeance, but the money that comes into Swans has helped us to progress. So it's a double-edged sword.
However sport in general has been robbed from the masses due to the exclusivity of their live broadcast. People who can't afford the expensive TV packages and don't want to spend their lives in bars & clubs are stopped from seeing sport that used to be available for all |
But I suppose this is what the BBC is for ... MOTD is available to all (as long as they can afford a TV and the license fee !) and they do show the big events (or ITV pick up where the BBC doesn't). We never used to be able to see live top level football before Sky came along.
I do have Sky but am not a big fan of the way they seem to be escalating the funding into the PL, which they know simply gets passed on in exhorbitant wages and agent fees, with a small percentage being set aside for infrastructure and youth level development. But can't see this changing until the bubble bursts at the top end and FIFA are forced to implement some form of maximum wage structure per squad. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 17:25 - Sep 3 with 1355 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Football post. I ll try one on 10:15 - Sep 3 by Catullus |
I just posted an opinion about the money in the "established clubs" thread.
Sky money has caused more problems than it's solved. It's a miracle that we made it to the top and have stayed here, for now!!
And because the money has increased so much, the chances of another club doing it are very slim.
Of the lower league clubs now, not many have the potential we had. Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bradford, the Sheffields, Coventry, the Bristols and maybe MK Dons have the potential. Other clubs are doomed.
For some it's because they are too close to really big clubs, for others there just isn't the population to provide the crowds needed.
And then other clubs, like Leeds (and Portsmouth) are still struggling with historic debt.
And yes, Cardiff have the potential but several in the Championship do. Several in that division are bigger than us but still cannot match us financially as long as we stay up. And when they do come up, the debt incurred in doing so, hampers them.
Staying debt free/low debt is one of our greatest achievements. It makes us competitive with bigger teams (Newcastle, Sunderland, West Ham) and our whole ethos helps attract better players.
Sky are ripping the heart out of football. With players on a million a month, they earn more than most clubs do in a season!
No player, not even Messi or Ronaldo is worth £300,000 a week, nowhere near. And Falcao coming to the Premier for allegedly £350,000 a week is the craziest thing yet. It shows how out of control top end finances are.
What if he breaks his leg badly first time out and misses the rest of the season? 10 million quid for nothing, it's mad!!
There needs to be real financial control and a maximum wage structure. Maybe we should say that no player can earn more than £25,000 a week and anything over that goes to a pension fund? And that is still a massive wage packet!
And with that we need to stop Sky putting so much into football and spread the money out a bit more anyway, and then they can cut their prices too!!!! |
Good post.
Just thought you'd like to know that if for example Falcao did break his leg, Manchester United would get a huge insurance payout which would cover most of his wages. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 23:26 - Sep 3 with 1285 views | perchrockjack |
Neither was able statky.
We re told this is a site for debate.
Some good contributions but both parties in the vanguard if this debacle do not.
Says it all..
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| Football post. I ll try one on 00:55 - Sep 4 with 1231 views | SwansNZ |
| Football post. I ll try one on 17:25 - Sep 3 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Good post.
Just thought you'd like to know that if for example Falcao did break his leg, Manchester United would get a huge insurance payout which would cover most of his wages. |
I would imagine the insurance premiums are very high, to cover 350,000 a week for 9 months.
I have no problem with Sky (I would not be able to see any games, otherwise), the give a sh1t load of money to the PL and the clubs, but what is done with that money - nearly all of it is given to a select group of professional footballers, the majority?? of which are foreign and will just take the money out of the country in a relativity short space of time.
I’m all for a wage cap, but it will never happen. Nobody is worth the sort of money these guys get paid. |  |
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| Football post. I ll try one on 03:24 - Sep 4 with 1194 views | Wanderer |
| Football post. I ll try one on 00:55 - Sep 4 by SwansNZ |
I would imagine the insurance premiums are very high, to cover 350,000 a week for 9 months.
I have no problem with Sky (I would not be able to see any games, otherwise), the give a sh1t load of money to the PL and the clubs, but what is done with that money - nearly all of it is given to a select group of professional footballers, the majority?? of which are foreign and will just take the money out of the country in a relativity short space of time.
I’m all for a wage cap, but it will never happen. Nobody is worth the sort of money these guys get paid. |
Bang on, personally I do not get it, how is one person paid 350.000 a week for kicking a football, Christ it is flaming obscene.
with FIFA at the top running the show no wonder greed & avarice is rampant in the world game.
there i'll get off my soapbox now. |  | | |
| Football post. I ll try one on 03:34 - Sep 4 with 1189 views | SwansNZ |
| Football post. I ll try one on 03:24 - Sep 4 by Wanderer |
Bang on, personally I do not get it, how is one person paid 350.000 a week for kicking a football, Christ it is flaming obscene.
with FIFA at the top running the show no wonder greed & avarice is rampant in the world game.
there i'll get off my soapbox now. |
350,000 quid is a very good wage for a top professional football player — per YEAR. | |
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