| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:32 - Jul 1 with 1961 views | icecoldjack |
Considering Chico enjoys running everywhere apart from where he is supposed to be,why not play him full back ?
very good technical player, no slower than rangel/dwight,can beat a man ,can pass and will win us tons of free kicks with his constant diving.
Put a centre half in that keeps good positional sense and we got a good option :) |  | |  |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:34 - Jul 1 with 1948 views | ItchySphincter |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:32 - Jul 1 by icecoldjack |
Considering Chico enjoys running everywhere apart from where he is supposed to be,why not play him full back ?
very good technical player, no slower than rangel/dwight,can beat a man ,can pass and will win us tons of free kicks with his constant diving.
Put a centre half in that keeps good positional sense and we got a good option :) |
I don't think Chico would go walkabout if his fullback was a bit more in it. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:36 - Jul 1 with 1941 views | WarwickHunt |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:14 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
The same Chico you've buried for months?
Routledge was wanted off the books at Newcastle, which I previously discussed. Not relevant to this discussion.
Amat, bought as a future prospect, not someone we were going to put straight in to the side, again not relevant.
Michu is the anomaly, and a lot to do with the current manager. Never denying there are gems on the continent.
If we're looking at quality to go straight into the side, £10m isn't going to cut it. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:16]
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Shelvey, Ki, Pablo, Gomis, Fabianski? |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:39 - Jul 1 with 1920 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 14:04 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
Not a scape goat just an honest assessment of his ability. It's clear from that post your view is clouded by a fair amount of fanciful nonsense.
£10m isn't a quick buck. It's a huge fee for a full-back who we could replace for a fraction of that cost. |
As you know so much about the subject please supply the names of all these Full Backs as good or better than Ben who are available "for a fraction of that cost"
ps With at least 2 years of Premier experience of course. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:46]
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:44 - Jul 1 with 1898 views | icecoldjack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:34 - Jul 1 by ItchySphincter |
I don't think Chico would go walkabout if his fullback was a bit more in it. |
Quite true in fairness but all our defenders are guilty of it though, maybe a spike in the grass and a bit of rope would be the answer ?
They can walkabout but not too far .. lol | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:48 - Jul 1 with 1883 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:44 - Jul 1 by icecoldjack |
Quite true in fairness but all our defenders are guilty of it though, maybe a spike in the grass and a bit of rope would be the answer ?
They can walkabout but not too far .. lol |
It is funny to see all those accusing Players of "Not getting forward and supporting the Attack often enough" and then blaming them for not being in the right place at the right time when the counter attack happens. | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 with 1868 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:14 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
The same Chico you've buried for months?
Routledge was wanted off the books at Newcastle, which I previously discussed. Not relevant to this discussion.
Amat, bought as a future prospect, not someone we were going to put straight in to the side, again not relevant.
Michu is the anomaly, and a lot to do with the current manager. Never denying there are gems on the continent.
If we're looking at quality to go straight into the side, £10m isn't going to cut it. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:16]
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An OK centre half who came straight in to the squad for £2million. I'm not his biggest fan but he's been a very good signing value for money. Amat has made an immediate contribution as well and started 25 games last year, hardly a bit part player.
Like Warwick has illustrated already we can easily buy a starter for £10m. If your argument is that we need to spend over £10m to get quality starters then f*ck knows how we fielded a competitive team last season because we've only exceeded that once. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 with 1867 views | C_jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:36 - Jul 1 by WarwickHunt |
Shelvey, Ki, Pablo, Gomis, Fabianski? |
Fabianski is on a free.
Shelvey not wanted at Liverpool, we wouldn't have exactly got him otherwise.
Ki was a waste of money.
Pablo hasn't yet merited, what at the time, was our record fee.
Gomis is, on the surface, a free.
Wilfred Bony cost us a reported £12m and has been worth every penny. Go figure.
Keep em coming though, if we're looking to reinvest that goldmine of £10m into a quality replacement then we'll need luck, guile, and more luck. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:54 - Jul 1 with 1863 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:39 - Jul 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
As you know so much about the subject please supply the names of all these Full Backs as good or better than Ben who are available "for a fraction of that cost"
ps With at least 2 years of Premier experience of course. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:46]
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Seriously? That's all you've got? Asking some no-mark on a football forum to list potential replacements? I'm fairly sure we have a scouting department to do that. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:54 - Jul 1 with 1862 views | C_jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
An OK centre half who came straight in to the squad for £2million. I'm not his biggest fan but he's been a very good signing value for money. Amat has made an immediate contribution as well and started 25 games last year, hardly a bit part player.
Like Warwick has illustrated already we can easily buy a starter for £10m. If your argument is that we need to spend over £10m to get quality starters then f*ck knows how we fielded a competitive team last season because we've only exceeded that once. |
No, we need to spend that to get better than what we're replacing, is my point. Anything else and we're going backwards. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:56 - Jul 1 with 1848 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
Fabianski is on a free.
Shelvey not wanted at Liverpool, we wouldn't have exactly got him otherwise.
Ki was a waste of money.
Pablo hasn't yet merited, what at the time, was our record fee.
Gomis is, on the surface, a free.
Wilfred Bony cost us a reported £12m and has been worth every penny. Go figure.
Keep em coming though, if we're looking to reinvest that goldmine of £10m into a quality replacement then we'll need luck, guile, and more luck. |
You realise that just because a player wasn't wanted at his former club doesn't mean you can disregard their success here? We've built our success on taking other clubs cast-offs. Your point is crumbling and you're getting desperate by dismissing the several contradictions to your argument. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:56]
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:58 - Jul 1 with 1836 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:54 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
No, we need to spend that to get better than what we're replacing, is my point. Anything else and we're going backwards. |
Do you genuinely think we can't get a better left-back than Ben for £10m (with change to spare)?
If so there's no hope. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:59 - Jul 1 with 1831 views | ItchySphincter |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:48 - Jul 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is funny to see all those accusing Players of "Not getting forward and supporting the Attack often enough" and then blaming them for not being in the right place at the right time when the counter attack happens. |
Point missed. Who said anything about getting forward or counter attacking? | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:04 - Jul 1 with 1802 views | C_jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:56 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
You realise that just because a player wasn't wanted at his former club doesn't mean you can disregard their success here? We've built our success on taking other clubs cast-offs. Your point is crumbling and you're getting desperate by dismissing the several contradictions to your argument. [Post edited 1 Jul 2014 15:56]
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You're not following the original line, which was that we wouldn't sell below £10m for any player we wanted to keep, and wouldn't expect any other clubs to do similar. Below that and we're looking at players who are wanted off the books by other clubs, which is a different concept entirely to identifying players that we would like to add to the squad, regardless of availability.
Do keep up, thanks. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:05 - Jul 1 with 1794 views | Daggyjack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
Fabianski is on a free.
Shelvey not wanted at Liverpool, we wouldn't have exactly got him otherwise.
Ki was a waste of money.
Pablo hasn't yet merited, what at the time, was our record fee.
Gomis is, on the surface, a free.
Wilfred Bony cost us a reported £12m and has been worth every penny. Go figure.
Keep em coming though, if we're looking to reinvest that goldmine of £10m into a quality replacement then we'll need luck, guile, and more luck. |
Your argument is so flawed and you seem to pick and choose when a player is relevant to your argument or not.
So Fabianski and Gomis are "free", Shelvey and Routledge weren't wanted by their clubs. That means we shouldn't touch them?? What nonsense.
Ibrahimovic was rejected by QPR as a kid, guess no one else should have bothered with him either?
Glad there's not much chance of you taking over from Monk anytime soon. |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:06 - Jul 1 with 1787 views | ScoobyWho |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:58 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
Do you genuinely think we can't get a better left-back than Ben for £10m (with change to spare)?
If so there's no hope. |
Signed him two days ago apparently. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:06 - Jul 1 with 1784 views | WarwickHunt |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:52 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
An OK centre half who came straight in to the squad for £2million. I'm not his biggest fan but he's been a very good signing value for money. Amat has made an immediate contribution as well and started 25 games last year, hardly a bit part player.
Like Warwick has illustrated already we can easily buy a starter for £10m. If your argument is that we need to spend over £10m to get quality starters then f*ck knows how we fielded a competitive team last season because we've only exceeded that once. |
At the risk of this turning into a mutual backslapping fest, you're spot on.
There's no magic threshold where a player suddenly becomes PL quality.
Would Gomis have been a better signing if we paid £10m+ upfront for him?
Do we discount Fabianski because he's a free transfer? And presumably because he's a goalkeeper.
Would Siggy qualify if we bought him for £9m? Serious question... | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:11 - Jul 1 with 1757 views | icecoldjack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:48 - Jul 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is funny to see all those accusing Players of "Not getting forward and supporting the Attack often enough" and then blaming them for not being in the right place at the right time when the counter attack happens. |
I wouldn't know what your talking about there TBH.
A defenders job is to defend first and formost, something we have been getting collectively worse at this season gone, its a question of balance of course . | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:11 - Jul 1 with 1757 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:04 - Jul 1 by C_jack |
You're not following the original line, which was that we wouldn't sell below £10m for any player we wanted to keep, and wouldn't expect any other clubs to do similar. Below that and we're looking at players who are wanted off the books by other clubs, which is a different concept entirely to identifying players that we would like to add to the squad, regardless of availability.
Do keep up, thanks. |
Right so you've set the bar at £10m which is some imaginary figure which you've conjured up that we wouldn't sell any player below. You've created these two apparently separate concepts for buying players which is totally irrelevant to the issue of improving the quality of our squad.
Complete nonsense in other words and I'm not sure what you're debating. The fact that remains that selling Ben Davies for £10m would be a fantastic bit of business. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:13 - Jul 1 with 1748 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:06 - Jul 1 by WarwickHunt |
At the risk of this turning into a mutual backslapping fest, you're spot on.
There's no magic threshold where a player suddenly becomes PL quality.
Would Gomis have been a better signing if we paid £10m+ upfront for him?
Do we discount Fabianski because he's a free transfer? And presumably because he's a goalkeeper.
Would Siggy qualify if we bought him for £9m? Serious question... |
Nice to see you on the right side for once, Phil.  | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:14 - Jul 1 with 1744 views | C_jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:06 - Jul 1 by WarwickHunt |
At the risk of this turning into a mutual backslapping fest, you're spot on.
There's no magic threshold where a player suddenly becomes PL quality.
Would Gomis have been a better signing if we paid £10m+ upfront for him?
Do we discount Fabianski because he's a free transfer? And presumably because he's a goalkeeper.
Would Siggy qualify if we bought him for £9m? Serious question... |
Too much confusion here.
I Discount Fabianski and Gomis because we didn't pay a fee for them. They don't fit into the 'can we get quality for 10m' argument, which is what I'm on, I'm not sure about anyone else.
To go out, and identify a player that we would like to bring in (ala Bony) and spend a maximum of £10m. To come back with anything better would be a struggle. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:19 - Jul 1 with 1709 views | C_jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:11 - Jul 1 by Drizzy |
Right so you've set the bar at £10m which is some imaginary figure which you've conjured up that we wouldn't sell any player below. You've created these two apparently separate concepts for buying players which is totally irrelevant to the issue of improving the quality of our squad.
Complete nonsense in other words and I'm not sure what you're debating. The fact that remains that selling Ben Davies for £10m would be a fantastic bit of business. |
Go have a lie down mun.
£10m is a poor figure for a talented player that we want to keep. It is of no value to us, we cannot buy better. We wouldn't sell any player for that fee that were important for us to keep. Ash, Bony, Ben, even Leon Britton.
There is nothing difficult there. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:19 - Jul 1 with 1706 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:05 - Jul 1 by Daggyjack |
Your argument is so flawed and you seem to pick and choose when a player is relevant to your argument or not.
So Fabianski and Gomis are "free", Shelvey and Routledge weren't wanted by their clubs. That means we shouldn't touch them?? What nonsense.
Ibrahimovic was rejected by QPR as a kid, guess no one else should have bothered with him either?
Glad there's not much chance of you taking over from Monk anytime soon. |
Let me explain it to you, mush.
We sell Ben Davies for £10m, sign Marcos Alonso for £3m who is a more than adequate replacement with £7m to spare and improve the overall quality of the team. It doesn't actually count though as Alonso wasn't wanted by Fiorentina thus creating a separate context in which to judge the transfer. As we failed to replace Ben with a player actually wanted by his club and paid above the magic figure £10m we have failed in our dealings.
Do keep up. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:23 - Jul 1 with 1694 views | Darran |
The way some people go on about Davies you'd swear the club would fold if he's sold to a Spurs for £8million. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 16:24 - Jul 1 with 1688 views | jeza739 |
We already have a better full back than Ben. His name is Neil Taylor. £10m for Ben? Absolutely! All day long. | | | |
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