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Could you tell me what your opinion was when the board were about to and indeed did appoint both Brendan Rogers and Roberto Martinez? Did you at that time, have the same amount of belief that they were clearly not the men for the job?
I await your responses with eager anticipation.
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So when Martinez and Rodgers were appointed you welcomed them and said to yourself "Ah yes, exactly what this club needs at this particular point in time. An excellent choice"?
Martinez introduced our European style of play, whilst Sousa overhauled our defensive structure. Rodgers combined both whilst Laudrup appeared to influence a more counter attacking force.
The next step, and arguably one that can only be done with the team on-board, is to combine all influences into a streamlined force. Garry Monk was around for all of the above managerial era's and is in the best position to apply these.
I see our future as secure as long as we can become an all-round team that works 100% for eachother, the manager and the club.
So people who are slating the Monk appointment should remember the dissenters and doom-mongers from previous appointments, as the managers they so fiercely opposed played a huge part in getting us where we are today!
And we're Swaaaaanseeeea Ciiiityyyy! Swaaaansseeeaaa Ciiiityyy F C!
We're not necessarily the greatest team in football, the world has ever seen (but we're possibly the most honest and resilient).
- On behalf of The Campaign For Realistic Crowd Chanting
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:38 - May 6 by exiledclaseboy
So when Martinez and Rodgers were appointed you welcomed them and said to yourself "Ah yes, exactly what this club needs at this particular point in time. An excellent choice"?
Pull the other one, it's got Kevin Cullis on it.
Martinez was a fresh and bold appointment, and a contrary to the belief that you could only ever hoof yourself out of the lower leagues.
Rodgers had done some good stuff at Reading and Watford, and after that insomnia inducing season under Sousa his style was well suited to take the team forward.
I really don't see how Monk is going to shape the team in his image, especially when he loses players.
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:39 - May 6 by JackoBoostardo
Martinez introduced our European style of play, whilst Sousa overhauled our defensive structure. Rodgers combined both whilst Laudrup appeared to influence a more counter attacking force.
The next step, and arguably one that can only be done with the team on-board, is to combine all influences into a streamlined force. Garry Monk was around for all of the above managerial era's and is in the best position to apply these.
I see our future as secure as long as we can become an all-round team that works 100% for eachother, the manager and the club.
So people who are slating the Monk appointment should remember the dissenters and doom-mongers from previous appointments, as the managers they so fiercely opposed played a huge part in getting us where we are today!
Have to agree with this. The previous Managers have all added to the club, be it style, personel or otherwise. We are a stable club, and are in a good position for an inexperienced manager to grow along with us. IF GM can show that he is progressing as a manager I for one think persevering with him could end up being another 'genius' desicion by HJ.
To some extent the team and the club has gone backwards over the last ten months under Laudrup. This Monk appointment might not be a bold step into the future but I do believe the club is attempting to re-galvanise the squad and to some extent the fans. Some moan about small club mentality but the feel of the club is like no other, it's a family, almost a siege mentality and we need to get back to that. Garry monk could well be seen as an important component.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
When people compare it to the Martinez appointment this is the analogy I would make:
A job in the PL is the top level, you can compare appointing Garry Monk to appointing a guy who did an internship at Downing Street as the prime minister, it would be ridiculous.
A job in League 1 is more like applying for local government, which is a far better place for someone with no experience in politics to start.
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:54 - May 6 with 845 views
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:51 - May 6 by swanduck
When people compare it to the Martinez appointment this is the analogy I would make:
A job in the PL is the top level, you can compare appointing Garry Monk to appointing a guy who did an internship at Downing Street as the prime minister, it would be ridiculous.
A job in League 1 is more like applying for local government, which is a far better place for someone with no experience in politics to start.
What if the intern turns out to be the greatest PM ever though? Just saying like?
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:51 - May 6 by swanduck
When people compare it to the Martinez appointment this is the analogy I would make:
A job in the PL is the top level, you can compare appointing Garry Monk to appointing a guy who did an internship at Downing Street as the prime minister, it would be ridiculous.
A job in League 1 is more like applying for local government, which is a far better place for someone with no experience in politics to start.
I would say your comment was fair if the person being appointed was new to the club, and had little experience with the team and framework already in place.
And let's not forget - appointing ANY manager, experienced or otherwise, is a gamble for ANY club.
Garry has shown his loyalty by sticking with the club through thick and thin.... he's a prime candidate to take a risk on as anyone.
And we're Swaaaaanseeeea Ciiiityyyy! Swaaaansseeeaaa Ciiiityyy F C!
We're not necessarily the greatest team in football, the world has ever seen (but we're possibly the most honest and resilient).
- On behalf of The Campaign For Realistic Crowd Chanting
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:57 - May 6 by JackoBoostardo
I would say your comment was fair if the person being appointed was new to the club, and had little experience with the team and framework already in place.
And let's not forget - appointing ANY manager, experienced or otherwise, is a gamble for ANY club.
Garry has shown his loyalty by sticking with the club through thick and thin.... he's a prime candidate to take a risk on as anyone.
Aye - turning down that flood of offers from Champions' League teams must have really tested his loyalty...
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:00 - May 6 with 795 views
As a response to the op. I do not feel this question is relevant. We have now had chance to watch Monk at work and look at things and draw our own conclusions. With the others we were not afforded that luxury. so i think it makes your point invalid. When he was put in place i was part of the in Huw we trust brigade. after his time in charge I would prefer he did not get the job as i can now base this decision on what i have actually seen. This does not mean for a millisecond i want him to fail though. i love Swansea City and not the manager but i would have preferred that someone else got the gig, again based on what i have seen of Monk in charge.
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:02 - May 6 with 787 views
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:44 - May 6 by C_jack
Martinez was a fresh and bold appointment, and a contrary to the belief that you could only ever hoof yourself out of the lower leagues.
Rodgers had done some good stuff at Reading and Watford, and after that insomnia inducing season under Sousa his style was well suited to take the team forward.
I really don't see how Monk is going to shape the team in his image, especially when he loses players.
You cannot compare these scenarios
Firstly we are assessing Monk's capability after 13/14 games already played under his stewardship, not like RM or BR
Secondly this is supposed to be the toughest league in the world, we just think we can throw a complete novice in and be successful (delusional) surprising no one else hadn't thought of this simple answer to management... Stick your ex captain/ championship defender in...easy
Thirdly when Martinez came in the Change was immediate, we knew what he was trying to achieve instantly, he was a man with a plan... Had pedigree from growing up around football management Anyone know Monks plan yet?
Fourthly when Rodgers was announced as our new manager truthfully I was confused as to why Gus Poyet wasn't given the job, after listening to BR and seeing how the team played under him I was convinced a few games in.
Fifthly Laudrup gave me great worries and I was not convinced as the reports of his relationships with the Chairman at previous clubs...
However after 13 games I was completely convinced that these appointments would somehow come good...
I honestly can't say that with Monk, but wish him well and hope he proves me completely wrong!!!
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:59 - May 6 by WarwickHunt
Aye - turning down that flood of offers from Champions' League teams must have really tested his loyalty...
Pedantic miserable tw@ts on here tonight aye.
If you don't like the appointment, made by the board who have guided us to the Premier League in an astronomical and unheard time-scale and kept us in the black, then go and support ManU or some other team with unrealistic expectations.
If you don't trust the board at this stage to make the right decisions in the interest of our club, then you're clearly on the road to nothing.
And we're Swaaaaanseeeea Ciiiityyyy! Swaaaansseeeaaa Ciiiityyy F C!
We're not necessarily the greatest team in football, the world has ever seen (but we're possibly the most honest and resilient).
- On behalf of The Campaign For Realistic Crowd Chanting
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:09 - May 6 by JackoBoostardo
Pedantic miserable tw@ts on here tonight aye.
If you don't like the appointment, made by the board who have guided us to the Premier League in an astronomical and unheard time-scale and kept us in the black, then go and support ManU or some other team with unrealistic expectations.
If you don't trust the board at this stage to make the right decisions in the interest of our club, then you're clearly on the road to nothing.
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:54 - May 6 by Musical_Swan
What if the intern turns out to be the greatest PM ever though? Just saying like?
Perfectly possible, just a lot more reason to be worried when someone with little experience takes over was the point I was trying to make.
I am not denying that Monk could turn out being great, when he first took over my Dad was really against the idea of appointing him permanently, and I was there arguing how Martinez was appointed with no experience and had done great etc. Unfortunately what I have seen since then has not convinced me he is the right man for the job.
Obviously I hope I am wrong and Monk does a brilliant job, I just feel he would be better off going off for a couple of years and getting some experience.
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:15 - May 6 with 722 views
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:11 - May 6 by C_jack
Sit down, shut up, and don't question the board..
Unfair. Amusing, but unfair.
There is no right and no wrong at this time. Monk has to be judged after not before. The anti Monk sentiment can not be dressed up as questioning the board - it's out and out objection to his appointment which is every bit as ridiculous as blind loyalty.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
Martinez: I was glad to see the back of Jackett as I felt he had taken us as far as he could. I was impressed with what Huw had said about RMs interview and thought he could be a very good choice. I have changed my mind about KJ and now think he deserves respect.
Rodgers: I could see he had done well at Watford but was concerned that he had failed somewhat at Reading. I felt he could be a success.
I am deeply concerned about the appointment of Monk as he has nil experience. We are now a multi million pound business and I feel we are seriously risking our future in the Prem after needlessly flirting with relegation this year.
That said, he will have my full support if he gets appointed and I am sure he will do his best. However I think we now need an experienced manager with contacts across Europe.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:20 - May 6 with 708 views
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:11 - May 6 by C_jack
Sit down, shut up, and don't question the board..
I'm sick of this whining!
Question the board when it's valid to do so, but to do so now is bullsh1t. This inexperienced manager managed to keep us in the Premier League! Isn't that enough for a gamble?
How would you feel if a big name manager came in, say Rafael Benitez? Or how about Avram Grant? Josep Guardiola? Just how big a name would it take to get you satisfied as this is in no way a guarantee of success!!!
And we're Swaaaaanseeeea Ciiiityyyy! Swaaaansseeeaaa Ciiiityyy F C!
We're not necessarily the greatest team in football, the world has ever seen (but we're possibly the most honest and resilient).
- On behalf of The Campaign For Realistic Crowd Chanting
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:09 - May 6 by JackoBoostardo
Pedantic miserable tw@ts on here tonight aye.
If you don't like the appointment, made by the board who have guided us to the Premier League in an astronomical and unheard time-scale and kept us in the black, then go and support ManU or some other team with unrealistic expectations.
If you don't trust the board at this stage to make the right decisions in the interest of our club, then you're clearly on the road to nothing.
The OP asked the questions...
If you don't like the answers given by our loyal fans who were there on the Rochdale terraces on a cold Tuesday night with 30 odd fellow True Jacks... then why don't you p1ss off to a different site like Cardiff where they haven't voiced their concerns over the years and have unrealistic expectations...
If you don't like answers... Don't ask questions eh?
FAO The anti-monk brigade on 20:21 - May 6 by exiledclaseboy
Nope, can't agree with that in any way, shape or form. I can't for the life of me see how the performances we've put in under Monk can in any way be compared to those under Sousa. Like comparing apples and pears. Unless of course you want to make a spurious and trite comparison just to further your "Monk is not the man" credentials. In which case, as you were.
ETA - now that I've thought about it for a few more minutes I find myself chuckling at the absolute stupidity of the comparison. Jumped the shark there you have, Dwighty boy. You need some more lessons from Fathy about keeping your wind ups on the right sight of credible.
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Too right. Under Sousa we barely got over the halfway line and when we did inevitably it fell to Lopez who was feckin useless. Garry's and Sousa's teams are like chalk and cheese.
Dwight's got one thing right here - he's lacking the experience of these earlier regimes to be able to put garry's team in context and make a balanced, considered judgement.
Alarm bells are ringing with some of his team's performances, but Garry's (arguably) earnt the right to be given a crack, so let's support him, eh? As I said before it's not hard to have outdone Laudrup this season, but will it be enough moving forward? I'm not sure, but let's all get behind him and hope it works out (cause there's nothing else we can do in any case).
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FAO The anti-monk brigade on 21:15 - May 6 by ItchySphincter
Unfair. Amusing, but unfair.
There is no right and no wrong at this time. Monk has to be judged after not before. The anti Monk sentiment can not be dressed up as questioning the board - it's out and out objection to his appointment which is every bit as ridiculous as blind loyalty.
Bullshit.
How many jobs above shelf stacker level do you believe you could get without any experience or qualifications?
And the only thing that is ridiculous and totally bizarre to boot is appointing somebody in that situation to such an important position .
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