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Reply | Just what do they do in training?
at 14:17 23 Feb 2025
Yes. their defence during Clough's glory years was built around Larry Lloyd, who won everything in the air and, of course, up front he had Garry Birtles doing the same.
But, as Pat says, with Clough's most famous quote, he prided himself on playing a passing game and not hoofing long balls up the pitch, which is what he felt Don Revie, his predecessor at Leeds, had done. My favourite quote of his was:
"I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one."
Nowadays though, with the better pitches, the most important quality is pace, which is why Mo Salah is so difficult to stop. You need players who can accelerate rapidly and most of our players can't. [Post edited 23 Feb 14:38]
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Reply | Bright spot
at 13:03 23 Feb 2025
They've still got something we can only dream of this season: 14 points. |
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Reply | Our Fans
at 12:22 23 Feb 2025
I would be very happy if we won even 1 Championship title, like 48 other teams have done. It would be the highest league title we've ever won. I would be over the moon if we won the League Cup, like Swansea, Birmingham, Blackburn, Leicester and Middlesbrough have done in the last 25 years.
As far as I know, the League Cup is regarded as one of the 3 major domestic trophies, and so 13 teams have won major trophies in the last 25 years on top of the 16 different teams that have won the Championship in that period, while we've continued to underachieve, which makes the loyalty of our fans all the more remarkable. [Post edited 23 Feb 12:30]
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Reply | Just what do they do in training?
at 11:57 23 Feb 2025
One of the problems with our recruitment is that we've ended up with players who aren't physically capable of playing at a high level, regardless of how much training they do. Smallbone and Onuachu are 2 examples. They simply don't have the speed of thought or action or even the abilty to accelerate, which are necessary at this level. I'm sure they showed lots of skill at school and looked good in lower leagues, where games are played at a slower pace, but they shouldn't be here.
Before we recruit any more players, we need to ask: Are they quick enough, can they jump and head a ball powerfully and can they stand up to being barged or pushed? Brian Clough said he would only recruit a player if he was a good header, because that told him a lot about what he was capable of physically. One thing that's stood out this season is how other teams have totally dominated us in the air, which has led to us being beaten easily at both ends of the pitch. They also win most of the 50/50 balls because they are quicker and stronger than our players. [Post edited 23 Feb 12:08]
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Reply | Our Fans
at 10:29 23 Feb 2025
"I think we’ve all been a bit spoilt having been in the top league for most of my life. I know we’ve won Fack all but who has apart from the usual six ?"
Just about everybody else. For a club of our size, we are, in terms of trophies won, the most underachieving team in the country. Most clubs with a fanbase of our size have won 4 or 5 major trophies at least. Forest, for example, have won 7, Leicester 5 and even Pompey have won 4. We haven't even won a 2nd tier title ever. Most other teams of our size have won that quite a few times. Leicester have won it 8 times, Norwich 5 and even Reading have won it twice.
As for "the usual six", they are constantly changing. Liverpool, Man United and Arsenal are the only 3 who are relatively constant, but as you can see from United this season, even they are not always up there. 5 different teams have won the FA Cup in the last 5 years and there is a very good chance this year that a 6th different team will win it. Bournemouth are one of the favourites.
About the only thing we have going for us is the unfailing loyalty of our fans, who turn up in spite of it all. You, me and everybody else on here are "our fans". There isn't some special elite group that is superior to everybody else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_competitive_h
https://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/stats/totalavegate.html [Post edited 23 Feb 11:41]
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Reply | Ross Stewart
at 10:15 22 Feb 2025
How many goals did he score? [Post edited 22 Feb 10:16]
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Reply | Rohl well beaten
at 10:08 22 Feb 2025
When they sack him, he'll be a free agent. That and the fact he fits the profile SR are looking for - mediocre, mid-table Championship manager - means he's even more likely to be our next manager.
#EmbraceFailure [Post edited 22 Feb 10:09]
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 09:48 19 Feb 2025
It's getting bloody boring now. I don't know why they're so bothered that the nickname for their football team just came from a football shirt colour. The Cherries don't seem that bothered.
I guess it doesn't sound heroic enough for their liking. There always has to be a Portsmyth, as you can see here. They love the one about heroic sailors from Portsmouth climbing a pillar in Egypt. How on earth would that have made a newspaper sports reporter first describe them as Pompey Pinks when they ran out for their first games in their pompadour pink shirts in September 1899?
https://sallyantiques.co.uk/why-is-portsmouth-called-pompey/. [Post edited 19 Feb 10:36]
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 23:52 17 Feb 2025
As Pompadour was synonymous with Pink of all shades throughout the 18th and 19th centuries and people who wore pink were nicknamed accordingly, what shade it was really doesn't matter. Now, as this is becoming tedious for everyone on here, this is the last time I'm going to bother replying to one of your posts. |
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Reply | Does Juric want to be here next season?
at 23:23 17 Feb 2025
Recent Championship champions and their managers. Whose profile would be a good fit in to this list? That's what we should be looking for.
2023/24 Leicester Enzo Maresca
2022/23 Burnley Vincent Kompany
2021/22 Fulham Marco Silva
2020/21 Norwich Daniel Farke
2019/20 Leeds Marcelo Bielsa
2018/19 Norwich Daniel Farke
2017/18 Wolves Nuno Espirito Santo
2016/17 Newcastle Rafael Benitez |
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 21:11 17 Feb 2025
Go to the original sources: newspapers, letters etc, not hearsay about them. It's the only way you can do serious historical research. The Pompey Pinks were references to the Portsmouth team in newspaper match reports. I've read the original reports. You haven't and don't want to change your mind, so you won't and this argument with you and 130 is just getting very boring now.
From The Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer, September 1899:
"Sandy Brown cleverly headed the ball into the net, amid enthusiastic cheering. Play continued in favour of the Pompey Pinks until Brown was penalised for a foul; and the Brighton men got smartly away, McArthur finishing up with a long shot"
Newspaper reports are full of slang and nicknames and if Pompey had been used as a nickname for the city by sailors before 1899, there would have been hundreds if not thousands of references in the tens of thousands of newspapers published before then. There isn't even one. The nickname didn't start until it was given to the football team because of their pink shirt colour in 1899 and you can see verifiable newspaper references for that in publications like the Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer.
Unfortunately, history gets changed retrospectively so unless you go to the original source material, you will believe whatever modern writers want you to believe happened. But, if you are really privy to what illiterate men were supposedly saying below decks more than 125 years ago, you're a better time traveller than I am.
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 13:04 17 Feb 2025
" the Essex regiment ie nothing to do with Portsmouth"
The 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which became the Essex Regiment as part of the Childers Reforms of 1881, was based in barracks in Portsmouth in the 1860s so they had quite a lot to do with it.
As for the Portsmouth trams, in the 1890s, they were green and cream, brown and cream and red and white. None of them were pink.
How old are you? Your childish posts look like they're written by a conceited teenager. [Post edited 17 Feb 14:28]
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 11:15 17 Feb 2025
All research shows there is no written record of the use of Pompey as a nickname for the city before the 20th century. Not a single book or newspaper published in the 19th century refers to it as such. You can research the British Newspaper Archives for 1800-1899, including the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette, the Hampshire Post and Southsea Observer and every other newspaper and in all those thousands of newspapers there isn't a single reference to Pompey as a nickname for the city. However, it appears regularly as a nickname for the new football club in newspaper match reports from 1899 onwards, which first referred to them as "Pompey Pinks" .
I've no doubt the nickname Pompey was used for Portmouth when you were in the navy, unless you are more than 125 years old, but it came from the football club before that, and their Pompadour Pink shirts.
As for your concern that it might make Portsmouth look like 'bunch of sissies', you've no need to worry because in the nineteenth century and even the early 20th, pink was regarded as a masculine or neutral colour, which is why it featured in military uniforms. It didn't become regarded as a feminine colour until later. Again this is easily verifiable.
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 10:34 17 Feb 2025
It certainly looks like you've been swallowing a few Portsmyths. There is no recorded use of Pompey to describe the city of Portsmouth until the 20th century. The first use of Pompey as a nickname for any organisation in Portsmouth was in the 19th century and it was for a regiment based there, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, which had Pompadour Pink uniform facings and so were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. The football club adopted the same colours in 1898 and so became nicknamed Pompey. The first written record of the nickname being used in Portsmouth was in newspaper reports in PFC's first season in 1899, when a reporter described the players in their new pink shirts as Pompey Pinks. The football club's nickname didn't become a general nickname for the city until much later in the 20th century and there isn't a single record of it being used as such before that, even though, nowadays you will hear many Portsmyths saying that it was.
The name 'Pompey' dates back more than 2000 years. It was a proper name used in the Roman Empire, but its connection to the football club's nickname is merely coincidental. [Post edited 19 Feb 17:18]
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Reply | Nickname For Bournemouth Fans
at 14:49 16 Feb 2025
You try reading it. You'll be even more upset.
Pompey refers to their traditonal colours, which were pink/pompadour (pink with maroon trimming). It wasn't an original nickname though as a regiment based in Portsmouth during the 1860s, the 56th West Essex Regiment of Foot, had a pink uniform and so were first nicknamed the Pompadours and then the Saucy Pompeys. Football club nicknames in that era commonly referred to team colours, like the Clarets, the Lillywhites, Sky Blues etc.
When the orginal PFC went bust in 1911, the new club that replaced them, adopted a new blue strip to show they weren't connected to the orginal club with its Pompadour Pink strip (and its debts). But, the Pompey nickname carried over. They were also known as the Shrimps but that name didn't carry over.
https://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/regtnicknames.html [Post edited 19 Feb 9:43]
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Reply | Interesting crowd reaction to 2 substitutions
at 13:49 16 Feb 2025
Were you at the game? I didn't see anger directed at Smallbone; I saw cheering for a much-needed positive substitution from Juric at last.
Should the fans just accept poor standards? Unfortunately, that has gone on at our club for far too long, which is why we've ended up with a core of players, like McCarthy, Stephens, Bednarek and Smallbone, who are simply not good enough, hanging around for years. I don't think any other top flight club would have allowed that to happen. |
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