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Crouch shows he has more class there than the actually returning Charlie Austin for sure!
Though I'm a bit puzzled - he chose to stay at Stoke in the Premier League, whereas coming to play for us at the end he'd have been dropping down a division, so why did he feel he'd not have done himself justice on a second coming?
O, do give me a break, you caricaturing twit - since when do I say other people's views 'don't matter'?! Ooo, Mr Stainrod has opinions and he argues for them. If you're too childish or reactionary to handle that and can't just give your own without resorting to petty attempts at personal bullying, go and talk to yourself instead!
This board discusses many things over many years, which is basically its raison d'etre, if you think about it, and why should anything be 'resolved' just because you imply it should? (A discussion which you, ironically, are also adding to by complaining about the over-extension of such discussions.)
I think the clue is, or should be, in the title - the word 'forever' - which projects some kind of idea of legendary association, or at least long-committedness. Very, very few modern players fall into that category, or deserve to. That's my point, it ought to mean something! Dave Clement, Ian Gillard, Gerry Francis, Stan, obviously. Alan McDonald, Clive Allen, Les. It's not hard to get the general idea.
I don't really see what money's got to do with it. If it doesn't mean anything, why not just honour everyone from Alan McDonald to Ned Zelic? I suspect Gavin'll be surprised as anyone, and he probably hasn't thought about us for more than a few minutes since he retired.
Guy played 40 games for us in 3 years! He actually played one more game for Notts County, where he went after, to finish his career. No disrespect to GM, but the phrase 'squeezing blood out of a stone' comes to mind!
I think you're missing my point, Clive, in regard to your own self-esteem and well-being, which is what I was trying to support. Yes, I can be reactive to little things like being called, ooh let's think about last week alone, a troll, a pornographer, and a narcissist by people who've never met me and just want to be abusive (while projecting their own nastiness onto me), but try not to exaggerate and perhaps be a little more fair-minded! If you look back, you'll see many, many positive posts/polls/little think pieces from me here going back quite a long way and that are hugely supportive of this site, and of your excellent work on it.
You get enormous amounts of appreciation for the (excellent) writing you put up here, though, as well as the monetised Patreon content, plus the flattery of occasional disagreement/critique from popular posters like myself. I'm a bit puzzled as to what more you seek in terms of praise/recognition, therefore. If people want to quibble a bit over player ratings etc., let them!
If all or most of our summer signings now look like they might start to come good, a lot of us are going to have egg on our over-reacting faces. Let's hope those of us who need to - I guess I'll be one - will be willingly tucking into some humble eggy pie.
I don't understand - why would he be leaving at the end of the season? And why does the poster who thinks he's been very good for us only consider him worth keeping if we get relegated?
He's a real stalwart for us and was a big part of our revival last season, crowned with that great winner v Brum. For some reason, he;'s been getting pelters at times this season just for being JD, it seems, when there have been many more deserving targets. Sure, he drops the odd rick and isn't the quickest, but I'm glad he's in our team.
Great, Clive, you have your opinion (and yes, you were there, and I was watching on a stream, as I live in Ireland) and I have mine (with my reasons, though was actually agreeing with some of what you said in my post).
It was a poor game, and we were depressingly low in the block, as MC acknowledged (apart from the depressing bit), but I didn't think Cardiff were bad by any means. They had 4 wins and 3 draws out of 10 games before meeting us, including a win over Norwich and a point up at WBA. Against us, they had a lot of possession, two dozen goal efforts, and umpteen corners but just couldn't finish (sounds familiar?), while we defended well, Nardi saved us on two or three occasions, and Celar pulled a couple of rabbits out of the hat with shocking aplomb.
As Marti also often says, there are no easy games in the Champ, and many of them can go one way or the other. I don't think we're going to beat Watford, but it wouldn't surprise me if we did.
I'll post the article once again in case you haven't seen it, when, in late August, Marti told us he 'almost fully satisfied' by our summer recruitment and how he felt 'convinced we have signed some good players', which it was now his job to weld into a cohesive team.
Three months later, he's now signalling to the fanbase the club need to strengthen/ support him more/do more, whatever this means.
That's my point.
I've given my reading of this shifting of his feet, with our very poor form the rather obvious factor.
Do I think the summer recruitment has been flawless? Clearly not, but it hasn't been disastrous either.
Do I think that Marti has struggled to fulfil his own self-described task as coach in moulding a team out of the personnel he has told us, repeatedly, he trusts and rates highly (and this for whatever reasons, including the injury list)? I do.
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