| Centre back partnership? on 20:54 - Jan 6 with 1358 views | Whiterockin |
Chico gets pulled all over the place when Tiendalli plays outside him. He is a lot better when Rangel is playing. |  | |  |
| Centre back partnership? on 20:55 - Jan 6 with 1358 views | builthjack |
Great to have 3 decent centre half's to choose from |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 20:56 - Jan 6 with 1354 views | Bloodyhills |
Ash and Amat for me. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 21:04 - Jan 6 with 1339 views | WinchWenJack |
'Swansea centre-half banished to reserves for a mistake that led to MANCHESTER UTD goal' I hope he never plays for us again! | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 21:14 - Jan 6 with 1333 views | macthejack |
Amat looks the real deal. Honestly, I'd be happy with either at the moment, alongside Ash. |  | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:32 - Jan 6 with 1315 views | swancity |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:14 - Jan 6 by macthejack |
Amat looks the real deal. Honestly, I'd be happy with either at the moment, alongside Ash. |
Williams with amat on current form but Chico is serving our club with distinction and has a good understanding with Ashley.
And as a Garry monk fan I would like to see him get back for a few more games although its looking highly unlikely. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 21:42 - Jan 6 with 1308 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
My only real concern about our centre-backs as a whole is the lack of aerial presence - defensively and offensively - that's been notable since Caulker left.
Maybe Bartley can be brought back into the Jack family next season, he certainly has the credentials.
If we were being ultra-ruthless in planning the squad for next season I'd consider a new centre-half signing due to too many wobbly moments from both Chico and Ash, but I don't think it's a problem area so wouldn't be averse to sticking with a quartet of Ash, Chico, Amat and Bartley (I expect Monk to retire in the summer). |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 22:17 - Jan 6 with 1279 views | macman |
Actually it was a killer cross from the german. Tiendalli is two yards to the right of him and the ball is still curved around him and at such speed neither Tremmel nor Chico stood a chance to react. Nobody to blame a fantastic cross just as no Man U defender were to blame for at fantastic setup and timing of Routledge.
I think they all including Ash make bad mistakes here and there. Against Chelsea, Everton and Man C it is easy to find tactical mistakes from either of the back line. | | | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 22:46 - Jan 6 with 1250 views | Dr_Winston |
| Centre back partnership? on 22:17 - Jan 6 by macman |
Actually it was a killer cross from the german. Tiendalli is two yards to the right of him and the ball is still curved around him and at such speed neither Tremmel nor Chico stood a chance to react. Nobody to blame a fantastic cross just as no Man U defender were to blame for at fantastic setup and timing of Routledge.
I think they all including Ash make bad mistakes here and there. Against Chelsea, Everton and Man C it is easy to find tactical mistakes from either of the back line. |
Chico left his man. It's something he does quite a bit.
It was a hell of a cross and Tremmel should have done better, but the finger points to Chico. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 22:51 - Jan 6 with 1243 views | Liam12345 |
amat and chico |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 23:12 - Jan 6 with 1220 views | blaine_scfc |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:04 - Jan 6 by WinchWenJack |
'Swansea centre-half banished to reserves for a mistake that led to MANCHESTER UTD goal' I hope he never plays for us again! |
If you read the thread, you'd realise that people are talking about more than just the United goal. He's been making errors regularly. |  | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 23:23 - Jan 6 with 1214 views | borinifanclub |
| Centre back partnership? on 17:17 - Jan 6 by blaine_scfc |
Without doubt for me Ash and Amat, Chico seems to be making mistakes most games and it has cost us several goals this year.
As the original post says, Chico is quality, you don't become a bad player overnight, but he needs to work his way back in. |
spot on Blaine Amat should get a run with Ash he has hardly put a foot wrong. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 02:20 - Jan 7 with 1167 views | macman |
| Centre back partnership? on 22:46 - Jan 6 by Dr_Winston |
Chico left his man. It's something he does quite a bit.
It was a hell of a cross and Tremmel should have done better, but the finger points to Chico. |
He was as he should between the ball and his opponent. You cannot be with a yard of your man all the time. If, you are, there are some downsides to that as well.
Apart from this the cross is splat in the middle of Chico and Tremmel. Tremmel might have gone forward, but he only had a split second to make that choice. It was a brilliant cross, goal - end of story. | | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 07:17 - Jan 7 with 1139 views | paulv2k4 |
Second half performance of Chico, Amat, Taylor, Britton and Canas was something to behold. The best defensive display for us for over a year in my opinion.
Pity Chico had his usual run out of defense and then ball watch moment in the first half which led to the goal. (Done this a few times this season and cost us goals)
I also think the 2 defensive midfielders and no mad runs with the full backs (which Ben and Rangel are often guilty of) helped make the defense as whole look great.
OP: Ash/Chico and Amat for me. | | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 10:13 - Jan 7 with 1091 views | Catullus |
Ash and Amat for me too, on current form. Someone was critical of Ash a short while back but I said I felt Ash was covering for Chico (who was out of position and diving in) I think he needs a break, and that's all.
Amat looks a good player and just as importantly to me, when we are under pressure he "row Z's" the ball and doesn't look for the ball to feet. Sometimes you just have to get rid, and he does. But he is comfortable on the ball most times.
I have sometimes wondered if Chico could do a job (in an emergency) in the holding midfield role? he has looked quite good on times bringing the ball out from the back. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:16 - Jan 7 with 1055 views | Shaky |
| Centre back partnership? on 10:13 - Jan 7 by Catullus |
Ash and Amat for me too, on current form. Someone was critical of Ash a short while back but I said I felt Ash was covering for Chico (who was out of position and diving in) I think he needs a break, and that's all.
Amat looks a good player and just as importantly to me, when we are under pressure he "row Z's" the ball and doesn't look for the ball to feet. Sometimes you just have to get rid, and he does. But he is comfortable on the ball most times.
I have sometimes wondered if Chico could do a job (in an emergency) in the holding midfield role? he has looked quite good on times bringing the ball out from the back. |
"Someone was critical of Ash"
I have certainly been critical of Ash recently, and although that in no way implies I hold Chico blameless, my main gripe is that the whole defence appears to be in disarray.
I think we had a real chance to batter Citeh, but each time they got into our half they looked like scoring because we were so disorganised. Ben's pace thankfully saved further blushes on several occasions, with Ash seemingly highly reluctant to run and Chico flitting around somewhat aimlessly, while Rangel appeared to have taken up some kind of attacking central midfield position for much of the second half.
It is all very well talking about interchanging centreback partnerships but usually you have one dominant player who holds the line, yells at players to pull them into position and so on.
I had assumed that person was Ash for obvious reasons, but may be wrong since I don't go to matches. However, whoever is supposed to be doing that role is in my view failing badly, and if nobody has been designated to fulfill that role it is Laudrup's fault.
As for Amat I believe he has the potential to develop into such a commanding centre back but is probably too young right now. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 12:01 - Jan 7 with 1029 views | WinchWenJack |
| Centre back partnership? on 23:12 - Jan 6 by blaine_scfc |
If you read the thread, you'd realise that people are talking about more than just the United goal. He's been making errors regularly. |
So how many of the 28 league goals we've conceded have actually been Chicos fault. Our -2 gd is only bettered by 9 teams. Seems that Chico is the January 'player to blame' Or are we expecting all players to always play at 100%, like they do at every other club. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 12:07 - Jan 7 with 1023 views | Dull1Thomas |
| Centre back partnership? on 11:16 - Jan 7 by Shaky |
"Someone was critical of Ash"
I have certainly been critical of Ash recently, and although that in no way implies I hold Chico blameless, my main gripe is that the whole defence appears to be in disarray.
I think we had a real chance to batter Citeh, but each time they got into our half they looked like scoring because we were so disorganised. Ben's pace thankfully saved further blushes on several occasions, with Ash seemingly highly reluctant to run and Chico flitting around somewhat aimlessly, while Rangel appeared to have taken up some kind of attacking central midfield position for much of the second half.
It is all very well talking about interchanging centreback partnerships but usually you have one dominant player who holds the line, yells at players to pull them into position and so on.
I had assumed that person was Ash for obvious reasons, but may be wrong since I don't go to matches. However, whoever is supposed to be doing that role is in my view failing badly, and if nobody has been designated to fulfill that role it is Laudrup's fault.
As for Amat I believe he has the potential to develop into such a commanding centre back but is probably too young right now. |
If the back four and goalkeeper were as good as some think they should be every game would end as 0 - 0 draws.
Chico isn't perfect but is often out of position because he's filling in for other players - usually those not getting back to help.
v Utd He might have been closer but wasn't 'out of position' and the cross was early, dipping and just about perfect.
For me Chico is the 'footballer' in the centre back pairing and Amat (if he and Chico stay) will take over from Ash.
For now it has to be Chico and Williams | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 12:14 - Jan 7 with 1019 views | Shaky |
| Centre back partnership? on 12:07 - Jan 7 by Dull1Thomas |
If the back four and goalkeeper were as good as some think they should be every game would end as 0 - 0 draws.
Chico isn't perfect but is often out of position because he's filling in for other players - usually those not getting back to help.
v Utd He might have been closer but wasn't 'out of position' and the cross was early, dipping and just about perfect.
For me Chico is the 'footballer' in the centre back pairing and Amat (if he and Chico stay) will take over from Ash.
For now it has to be Chico and Williams |
I agree Chico was out of position quite a bit, but although that may have been partly due to him covering an also out of position Tiendalli that wasn't the only reason.
Further, to me Taylor looked out of position maybe 90% of the time we were defending. Routledge was excellent going forward, but without is defensive covering we would have been slaughtered down the left; Taylor was basically marking space all day long.
As for the goal, for me that just goes to illustrate the problem with the lack of overall direction. Why was there no shout from anybody for that cross? In my view this needs to be sorted out urgently. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 12:33 - Jan 7 with 1001 views | Dull1Thomas |
"As for the goal, for me that just goes to illustrate the problem with the lack of overall direction. Why was there no shout from anybody for that cross? In my view this needs to be sorted out urgently."
Agree that there appears to be communication breakdown but for the goal we had 4 close (5 in all) players marking 2 Man U players between the edge of the box and touch line. Chico was inside the six yard box with nearest Swans player just inside the penalty area - I think he gambled / took the decision to attempt to fill that space as a Man U players was positioned to move into it for a pass. Had that happened, which was reasonable to assume, Chico would have been in the right place at the right time. Instead the cross was played (real quality too) catching Chico out and Tremmel ball watching.
I'd put it down asa quality goal. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 14:25 - Jan 7 with 954 views | Swanjaxs |
What about Tate and Monk???  |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 14:48 - Jan 7 with 944 views | Dull1Thomas |
| Centre back partnership? on 14:25 - Jan 7 by Swanjaxs |
What about Tate and Monk??? |
I fear they will be sent out to do missionary work and may never return to Sanctuary. | |
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| Centre back partnership? on 09:53 - Jan 8 with 873 views | paulv2k4 |
| Centre back partnership? on 12:14 - Jan 7 by Shaky |
I agree Chico was out of position quite a bit, but although that may have been partly due to him covering an also out of position Tiendalli that wasn't the only reason.
Further, to me Taylor looked out of position maybe 90% of the time we were defending. Routledge was excellent going forward, but without is defensive covering we would have been slaughtered down the left; Taylor was basically marking space all day long.
As for the goal, for me that just goes to illustrate the problem with the lack of overall direction. Why was there no shout from anybody for that cross? In my view this needs to be sorted out urgently. |
"to me Taylor looked out of position maybe 90% of the time"
Taylor was holding the line for most of the game instead of running down the wing pointlessly (Ben is guilty of, "90% of the time", to use your analogy). If I remember correctly, not many, if any?, crosses came in from that side and most chances were broken down by holding up play and then stealing the ball back between him, Britton and Routledge.
The cross was a good one and Hernandez is a tricky guy to mark but your right, there was some issues there for sure. Lack of confidence from all concerned maybe.
Bring on the weekend, all issues will be ironed out and we will beat them again :)
(Keeping the defense the same I hope, to keep on topic) | | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 10:29 - Jan 8 with 850 views | SpringHeeledJack |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:42 - Jan 6 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
My only real concern about our centre-backs as a whole is the lack of aerial presence - defensively and offensively - that's been notable since Caulker left.
Maybe Bartley can be brought back into the Jack family next season, he certainly has the credentials.
If we were being ultra-ruthless in planning the squad for next season I'd consider a new centre-half signing due to too many wobbly moments from both Chico and Ash, but I don't think it's a problem area so wouldn't be averse to sticking with a quartet of Ash, Chico, Amat and Bartley (I expect Monk to retire in the summer). |
Regarding Monk retiring, do you think he'll be offered a role at the club? Possibly as an ambassador (not sure how many of these a club needs) or maybe in coaching?
He definitely knows what the club is about, I'd like to see him still involved in some way if he does retire. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:04 - Jan 8 with 827 views | Zut_Alors |
| Centre back partnership? on 10:29 - Jan 8 by SpringHeeledJack |
Regarding Monk retiring, do you think he'll be offered a role at the club? Possibly as an ambassador (not sure how many of these a club needs) or maybe in coaching?
He definitely knows what the club is about, I'd like to see him still involved in some way if he does retire. |
I don't think Monk will want to be an ambassador. I believe he's already got most, if not all, of his required coaching badges to enter management, and i'm sure he'll take charge of a club one day. Whether or not that will be the Swans remains to be seen, but although it's no guarantee of managerial success, I think it would be a real shame to not incorporate someone who has hopefully picked up the best team building and coaching habits of Laudrup, Rodgers, Sousa (though he may not want to admit that one) Martinez and Jackett. Aside from that, he seems like a popular member of the team and is always down to earth when he's interviewed. |  | | |
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