| Is Europe turning ? 19:19 - Nov 26 with 8446 views | KeithHaynes |
Poland.
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:10 - Nov 26 with 2219 views | SullutaCreturned |
What's happening in Poland then? Are they building a Trump like wall? |  | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:18 - Nov 26 with 2183 views | Boundy |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:10 - Nov 26 by SullutaCreturned |
What's happening in Poland then? Are they building a Trump like wall? |
If they are who can blame them . | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:22 - Nov 26 with 2205 views | SullutaCreturned |
It's long puzzled me that those whio still clamour for the EU haven't seen (or refuse to see) what's happening across the continent. The ordinary people, many of whom voted to join the EU in the first place, have had enough. The open borders and rampant immigration has taken it's toll. Even in Germany there is a rising tide of resentment.
theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/why-immigration-back-european-union-agenda-far-right#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20and%20despite%20irregular%20immigration,success%20of%20far-right%20parties. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:28 - Nov 26 with 2176 views | Boundy |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:22 - Nov 26 by SullutaCreturned |
It's long puzzled me that those whio still clamour for the EU haven't seen (or refuse to see) what's happening across the continent. The ordinary people, many of whom voted to join the EU in the first place, have had enough. The open borders and rampant immigration has taken it's toll. Even in Germany there is a rising tide of resentment.
theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/why-immigration-back-european-union-agenda-far-right#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20and%20despite%20irregular%20immigration,success%20of%20far-right%20parties. |
The signs reading Refugees Welcome seem to have been consigned to the dustbins within Berlin and Paris , Merkal has a lot to answer for with her drive towards a ideology which will cost Europe its identity . | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:33 - Nov 26 with 2190 views | builthjack |
Poland, Italy, France, Germany and Britain have just met in Berlin and vowed to stick together to stop Putin. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:34 - Nov 26 with 2184 views | onehunglow |
Our country has changed radically
Is it for the better
Shouod our culture be sacrificed to facilitate immigrants ,many of whom have no right to be here | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:38 - Nov 26 with 2181 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:33 - Nov 26 by builthjack |
Poland, Italy, France, Germany and Britain have just met in Berlin and vowed to stick together to stop Putin. |
Too right, anybody who thinks appeasing Putin is the way forward hasn't learned anything from history. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:40 - Nov 26 with 2173 views | onehunglow |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:33 - Nov 26 by builthjack |
Poland, Italy, France, Germany and Britain have just met in Berlin and vowed to stick together to stop Putin. |
Sense
He’s a killer | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:50 - Nov 26 with 2138 views | Boundy |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:34 - Nov 26 by onehunglow |
Our country has changed radically
Is it for the better
Shouod our culture be sacrificed to facilitate immigrants ,many of whom have no right to be here |
Has our country changed for the better , do you even have to ask the question, but as you did imo no ,we're now beginning to feeing the tangible the effects of allowing 3rd world nationalities to reside here and more entering unchecked, everyone's standard of living has declined and will continue to do so unless we finally geta political party who is for the people instead of trying to squeeze every last penny out of us. some believe new governments can carry out tax rises as if its a right of passage , its not but is allowed to continue unabated without a murmur. Society has become a selfish pit of entitlement, I'm important , you're not attitude . | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 02:51 - Nov 27 with 2079 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:22 - Nov 26 by SullutaCreturned |
It's long puzzled me that those whio still clamour for the EU haven't seen (or refuse to see) what's happening across the continent. The ordinary people, many of whom voted to join the EU in the first place, have had enough. The open borders and rampant immigration has taken it's toll. Even in Germany there is a rising tide of resentment.
theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/why-immigration-back-european-union-agenda-far-right#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20and%20despite%20irregular%20immigration,success%20of%20far-right%20parties. |
Its long puzzled me that prople might think that a single stand alone nation is a great answer to a continental issue. Its not. Belgium say trying to protect Belgium in isolation will not work.
We know the idiotic Brexit has delivered us more immigrants not less. Thats just a fact.
But a joined up Europe has a chance of addressing the matter. You need pan European agreemebts and incentives for nations to pool resources and work together.
The Dublin agreement was lost with Brexit.
No need to thank me. |  |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 02:57 - Nov 27 with 2076 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:10 - Nov 26 by SullutaCreturned |
What's happening in Poland then? Are they building a Trump like wall? |
Trump never finished the wall and then Trump blocked the funding needed for Biden to complete it.
Be interesting to see if a simple solution can address a complex problem.
And lets see how his great round up and deport millions of people promise works out.
Spoiler alert; it will never happen.
Trump lies. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 05:47 - Nov 27 with 2060 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 02:51 - Nov 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Its long puzzled me that prople might think that a single stand alone nation is a great answer to a continental issue. Its not. Belgium say trying to protect Belgium in isolation will not work.
We know the idiotic Brexit has delivered us more immigrants not less. Thats just a fact.
But a joined up Europe has a chance of addressing the matter. You need pan European agreemebts and incentives for nations to pool resources and work together.
The Dublin agreement was lost with Brexit.
No need to thank me. |
10 million immigrants when we were in the EU. Doubt we have 10 million since we left.
I see roi is rounding up migrants who crossed border from NI. The garda are even checking buses and trains for immigrants. Almost like having border controls
Good job we have NATO to help keep peace. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 08:45 - Nov 27 with 2019 views | onehunglow |
The very worst thing that happened to the west was the breakdown of communist bloc.
Those days saw the vicious criminals,now with us, effectively kept within the country .
When Russia lost its power over them,off they went .
We are a soft touch
There is nothing better about having them here
Nothing | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 10:17 - Nov 27 with 1974 views | majorraglan |
| Is Europe turning ? on 05:47 - Nov 27 by felixstowe_jack |
10 million immigrants when we were in the EU. Doubt we have 10 million since we left.
I see roi is rounding up migrants who crossed border from NI. The garda are even checking buses and trains for immigrants. Almost like having border controls
Good job we have NATO to help keep peace. |
The amount of time we’ve spent outside the EU after leaving is a lot shorter than the time we spent in the EU, so I’d expect a comparison of the total numbers to show immigration post Brexit to be lower as the time line is shorter. BUT if you actually look at the numbers who entered the UK over the last few years they are much much higher than they were during our time in the EU.
1.2m arrived in 2023 which equates to a net increase of 700,000, in 2022 it was 1.2m again and a net increase of 765,000 - we never came close to that when we’re in the E.U. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? (n/t) on 10:29 - Nov 27 with 1953 views | controversial_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:34 - Nov 26 by onehunglow |
Our country has changed radically
Is it for the better
Shouod our culture be sacrificed to facilitate immigrants ,many of whom have no right to be here |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 10:31 - Nov 27 with 1946 views | controversial_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:33 - Nov 26 by builthjack |
Poland, Italy, France, Germany and Britain have just met in Berlin and vowed to stick together to stop Putin. |
I bet he's trembling in his boots | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 12:22 - Nov 27 with 1928 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Europe turning ? on 02:51 - Nov 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Its long puzzled me that prople might think that a single stand alone nation is a great answer to a continental issue. Its not. Belgium say trying to protect Belgium in isolation will not work.
We know the idiotic Brexit has delivered us more immigrants not less. Thats just a fact.
But a joined up Europe has a chance of addressing the matter. You need pan European agreemebts and incentives for nations to pool resources and work together.
The Dublin agreement was lost with Brexit.
No need to thank me. |
Belgium are in NATO so they or we don’t need the European Union for protection. And you can work together without having to be in a political union. |  |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 15:00 - Nov 27 with 1864 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is Europe turning ? on 02:51 - Nov 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Its long puzzled me that prople might think that a single stand alone nation is a great answer to a continental issue. Its not. Belgium say trying to protect Belgium in isolation will not work.
We know the idiotic Brexit has delivered us more immigrants not less. Thats just a fact.
But a joined up Europe has a chance of addressing the matter. You need pan European agreemebts and incentives for nations to pool resources and work together.
The Dublin agreement was lost with Brexit.
No need to thank me. |
And yet a joined up Europe was the thing that created the problem in the first place, we didn't have this immigration issue until the EU started...1993 before you say anything.
The EU opened the borders, Blair went batchit crazy and didn't use the rules to limit numbers, the so called open door policy, and the rest is history.
Now this Eu that you say can provide the answers is getting worse as time passes, there is growing discord across Europe and members are becoming more and more unruly.
Now Poland, funny that they seem to be at the forefront of concerns when their leader is Donald Tusk... | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 15:09 - Nov 27 with 1833 views | Boundy |
| Is Europe turning ? on 15:00 - Nov 27 by SullutaCreturned |
And yet a joined up Europe was the thing that created the problem in the first place, we didn't have this immigration issue until the EU started...1993 before you say anything.
The EU opened the borders, Blair went batchit crazy and didn't use the rules to limit numbers, the so called open door policy, and the rest is history.
Now this Eu that you say can provide the answers is getting worse as time passes, there is growing discord across Europe and members are becoming more and more unruly.
Now Poland, funny that they seem to be at the forefront of concerns when their leader is Donald Tusk... |
Facts have always been a sticking point for Kilk | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:19 - Nov 27 with 1824 views | Gwyn737 |
It’s a bit of an odd comparison.
Poland are part of the EU. When they joined in 2004, hundreds of thousands came over, many in the construction trade and we had lots of unhappy British builders who were being undercut.
This couldn’t have happened after Brexit and we can argue the merits of this. We’ve seen the number of EU immigrants fall off a cliff, replaced by those further afield.
Us sharing problems with the Poland could be said demonstrates being in or out of the EU isn’t the primary issue.
As for the march, I’m not really one for protests but could be tempted out for a ‘Keep the UK Secular’ one. [Post edited 27 Nov 17:55]
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:39 - Nov 27 with 1806 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:19 - Nov 27 by Gwyn737 |
It’s a bit of an odd comparison.
Poland are part of the EU. When they joined in 2004, hundreds of thousands came over, many in the construction trade and we had lots of unhappy British builders who were being undercut.
This couldn’t have happened after Brexit and we can argue the merits of this. We’ve seen the number of EU immigrants fall off a cliff, replaced by those further afield.
Us sharing problems with the Poland could be said demonstrates being in or out of the EU isn’t the primary issue.
As for the march, I’m not really one for protests but could be tempted out for a ‘Keep the UK Secular’ one. [Post edited 27 Nov 17:55]
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I might join you, the church should have been removed from political matters a long time ago. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:32 - Nov 27 with 1759 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Europe turning ? on 02:51 - Nov 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Its long puzzled me that prople might think that a single stand alone nation is a great answer to a continental issue. Its not. Belgium say trying to protect Belgium in isolation will not work.
We know the idiotic Brexit has delivered us more immigrants not less. Thats just a fact.
But a joined up Europe has a chance of addressing the matter. You need pan European agreemebts and incentives for nations to pool resources and work together.
The Dublin agreement was lost with Brexit.
No need to thank me. |
What follows below has been pointed out to Killy before and while there is little chance of it registering now, others might be interested to hear how far the Dublin Regulation worked for us. The truth is that we had more coming our way under the Dublin process than we transferred out in the years before Brexit.
Dublin Regulation (In and out)
The figures by year, and with transfers into the UK followed by transfers out of the UK to EU member states.
2015 131 510
2016 558 362
2017 461 314
2018 1215 846
2019 714 263
2020 882 105
Dublin transfer requests must be considered and accepted by the receiving country.
For much of this period less than 10% of UK requests for outward transfers were accepted. For example, in 2019 263 transfers were made following 3259 transfer requests. In 2020, as now a non-member entitled to use the process for an additional year, the UK made 8502 requests for outward transfers of which 105 returns occurred. Source AIDA Country Report UK , 2020 p. 30.
Actually, we were not the only country that struggled to get much benefit from the Dublin Regulation. Germany struggled to move big numbers. One could ask why the RoI doesn't seem able to use it to manage its migrant influx now. It seems to prefer to stick new arrivals on a ferry to England. [Post edited 27 Nov 18:36]
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| Is Europe turning ? on 08:11 - Nov 28 with 1610 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:32 - Nov 27 by AnotherJohn |
What follows below has been pointed out to Killy before and while there is little chance of it registering now, others might be interested to hear how far the Dublin Regulation worked for us. The truth is that we had more coming our way under the Dublin process than we transferred out in the years before Brexit.
Dublin Regulation (In and out)
The figures by year, and with transfers into the UK followed by transfers out of the UK to EU member states.
2015 131 510
2016 558 362
2017 461 314
2018 1215 846
2019 714 263
2020 882 105
Dublin transfer requests must be considered and accepted by the receiving country.
For much of this period less than 10% of UK requests for outward transfers were accepted. For example, in 2019 263 transfers were made following 3259 transfer requests. In 2020, as now a non-member entitled to use the process for an additional year, the UK made 8502 requests for outward transfers of which 105 returns occurred. Source AIDA Country Report UK , 2020 p. 30.
Actually, we were not the only country that struggled to get much benefit from the Dublin Regulation. Germany struggled to move big numbers. One could ask why the RoI doesn't seem able to use it to manage its migrant influx now. It seems to prefer to stick new arrivals on a ferry to England. [Post edited 27 Nov 18:36]
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It will be interesting to see how the Irish vote on Friday in thier general election.
There seems to be unrest with their government performance. Main reasons seems to be lack of affordable housing, housing shortage, failure to build enough houses, waiting lists for hospital treatment, mass immigration.
All this despite records budget surplus due to firms divering their European profits to ROI to take advantage of low corporation tax.
The Irish unemployment rate is 4.8% so people feel they are not benefiting from Ireland tax haven status. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 12:44 - Nov 28 with 1557 views | controversial_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 08:11 - Nov 28 by felixstowe_jack |
It will be interesting to see how the Irish vote on Friday in thier general election.
There seems to be unrest with their government performance. Main reasons seems to be lack of affordable housing, housing shortage, failure to build enough houses, waiting lists for hospital treatment, mass immigration.
All this despite records budget surplus due to firms divering their European profits to ROI to take advantage of low corporation tax.
The Irish unemployment rate is 4.8% so people feel they are not benefiting from Ireland tax haven status. |
4.8% is very low. 3.5% is seen as full employment, so it's not far off | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 15:50 - Nov 28 with 1513 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 12:44 - Nov 28 by controversial_jack |
4.8% is very low. 3.5% is seen as full employment, so it's not far off |
Higher than both the UK and the EU.
Seems the rich get richer in Ireland while the poor are homeless. | |
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