| Duff all 12:13 - Jul 23 with 7567 views | cadleigh |
There's an increasing amount of posters talking about 'Duffball'. Interestingly, most of them seem to be die-hard supporters of Russell Martin, trying to spin a narrative that Duff (a) has only one style of football and (b) it's a reversion to the Monk/Cooper style of football (what we might call the Roundhead approach, as opposed to the Cavalier style of Martinez/Laudrup/Potter and (supposedly) Martin).
I actually think it was fair to describe Martin's approach as 'Martinball' as the man himself said that there would only be one way of playing under his watch, and that was the way Man City play under Guardiola.
Trying to pigeonhole Duff on the strength of one friendly is, IMO, just a lame attempt to undermine confidence in him before the season has even begun. Good managers adapt their tactics and strategy according to the strengths of the players in their squad and the opposition they face - between and during games. That's not Duffball, it's Football.
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| Duff all on 23:44 - Jul 23 with 1795 views | cadleigh |
| Duff all on 22:54 - Jul 23 by ModeratorD |
Must say WR I totally agree with you.
Get behind the manager, staff and players, then get behind whoever comes next.
As you say Bradley was the exception that proves the rule. |
I hate to disagree but if a manager is visibly failing to deliver the goods, I don’t believe supporters have any duty to continue slavishly cheering them on. If anything, I would argue that we have a moral duty to show how we feel about them so the Board understand supporter sentiment and this helps inform their thinking on whether to hang on to them or let them go.
When Laudrup lost interest, the majority of supporters let their feelings be known and he went.
When Monk’s team went into freefall, the same thing happened.
When Bradley was appointed and had a disastrous run of results, supporter pressure undoubtedly played a part in the owners’ decision to sack him.
With Clement, we were arguably too tolerant for far too long.
I would certainly accept that we should not rush to judgement on managers, and I think on the whole we are pretty good at that. Sousa got a whole season of delivering dire football with barely a murmur from supporters. Cooper has been more maligned since he left than I ever remember him being when he was our manager. And Martin may have got shredded on here and on Phil’s site, but in the stadiums his critics were models of self-restraint for the most part. | |
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| Duff all on 08:08 - Jul 24 with 1729 views | heatwave |
It maybe that some of our players are finding their way back to play in their natural positions.
I had no real opinion on Martin playing his style in the early days.
Same will go for Duff. In saying that I didn't watch the Oxford game. So won't swayed by other opinions.
Let's wait and see. |  | | |
| Duff all on 10:55 - Jul 24 with 1670 views | cadleigh |
| Duff all on 08:08 - Jul 24 by heatwave |
It maybe that some of our players are finding their way back to play in their natural positions.
I had no real opinion on Martin playing his style in the early days.
Same will go for Duff. In saying that I didn't watch the Oxford game. So won't swayed by other opinions.
Let's wait and see. |
It was a pretty dire performance but as other posters have said it was the first friendly played in public, the team will take time to get used to the new manager's prefered playing style, and the starting line-up will likely change a lot between now and the end of the transfer window (new GK, new LB/LWB, probably new striker to replace Piroe). Way too early to be judging this manager, let alone trying to put him in a box marked 'Duffball'. | |
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| Duff all on 11:29 - Jul 24 with 1645 views | Badlands |
| Duff all on 08:08 - Jul 24 by heatwave |
It maybe that some of our players are finding their way back to play in their natural positions.
I had no real opinion on Martin playing his style in the early days.
Same will go for Duff. In saying that I didn't watch the Oxford game. So won't swayed by other opinions.
Let's wait and see. |
Not sure who wasn’t playing in their natural positions! |  |
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| Duff all on 12:00 - Jul 24 with 1616 views | heatwave |
| Duff all on 11:29 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
Not sure who wasn’t playing in their natural positions! |
It was a touch of sarcasm based on a number players playing out position last season. | | | |
| Duff all on 12:39 - Jul 24 with 1585 views | onehunglow |
| Duff all on 12:00 - Jul 24 by heatwave |
It was a touch of sarcasm based on a number players playing out position last season. |
I was and am of the opinion the outgoing coach would leave a bad legacy .
IMO,he has in no way developed any player and has frozen the careers of some of reasons only he knows.
I note he bemoans dumb goals conceded by his new team already .
Go£ help them. | |
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| Duff all on 17:23 - Jul 24 with 1510 views | Badlands |
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Maybe Duff needs some help with his public comments.
“It takes a long time to implement things,” he said.
(Getting in the excuses?)
“It’s about getting the players to understand what we want; where their first pass is, and where we want them to pass it.
(The last coach spoke like that was Bob B!)
“They are new ideas and different ideas, and so that is going to take time.
So another two years of fannying about or just a manager claiming he’s all about revolution?
Game v Bristol might enlighten us. | |
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| Duff all on 17:31 - Jul 24 with 1500 views | Fireboy2 |
| Duff all on 17:23 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
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Maybe Duff needs some help with his public comments.
“It takes a long time to implement things,” he said.
(Getting in the excuses?)
“It’s about getting the players to understand what we want; where their first pass is, and where we want them to pass it.
(The last coach spoke like that was Bob B!)
“They are new ideas and different ideas, and so that is going to take time.
So another two years of fannying about or just a manager claiming he’s all about revolution?
Game v Bristol might enlighten us. |
Wtf is supposed to say?
'I've inherited players who only pass sideways and backwards so it's going to take time to teach them how to pass forward'
FFS give the guy a break will you. [Post edited 24 Jul 2023 18:35]
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| Duff all on 18:32 - Jul 24 with 1460 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
After two years of jam tomorrow, I understand that some people will be less patient, but the old rule of thumb is 'see where we are at the end of September' |  |
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| Duff all on 19:07 - Jul 24 with 1433 views | vetchonian |
| Duff all on 17:31 - Jul 24 by Fireboy2 |
Wtf is supposed to say?
'I've inherited players who only pass sideways and backwards so it's going to take time to teach them how to pass forward'
FFS give the guy a break will you. [Post edited 24 Jul 2023 18:35]
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Maybe folks would prefer if Duff had said despite losing we were brave dominant but we have have to be patient with the process.
Lets start to measure the guy after 3 or 4 league games even I gave Russ that. | |
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| Duff all on 19:09 - Jul 24 with 1432 views | Badlands |
| Duff all on 17:31 - Jul 24 by Fireboy2 |
Wtf is supposed to say?
'I've inherited players who only pass sideways and backwards so it's going to take time to teach them how to pass forward'
FFS give the guy a break will you. [Post edited 24 Jul 2023 18:35]
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He inherited a team that too 23 points from 27 in the final 9 games and scored more goals than any since 2010/11 and equalled only once in the second tier since 1960/61. | |
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| Duff all on 19:14 - Jul 24 with 1429 views | vetchonian |
| Duff all on 19:09 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
He inherited a team that too 23 points from 27 in the final 9 games and scored more goals than any since 2010/11 and equalled only once in the second tier since 1960/61. |
like Martin taking a team that finished as the losing side in the play off final to 15th in the league? | |
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| Duff all on 19:28 - Jul 24 with 1417 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Duff all on 19:09 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
He inherited a team that too 23 points from 27 in the final 9 games and scored more goals than any since 2010/11 and equalled only once in the second tier since 1960/61. |
Good point and well made. | |
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| Duff all on 19:29 - Jul 24 with 1413 views | QJumpingJack |
Lets see what the squad is like in early September. That is when to judge Duff, Watson and Coleman. | | | |
| Duff all on 19:41 - Jul 24 with 1400 views | Fireboy2 |
| Duff all on 19:09 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
He inherited a team that too 23 points from 27 in the final 9 games and scored more goals than any since 2010/11 and equalled only once in the second tier since 1960/61. |
What about the period before that 🤔 | | | |
| Duff all on 19:43 - Jul 24 with 1398 views | Fireboy2 |
| Duff all on 19:29 - Jul 24 by QJumpingJack |
Lets see what the squad is like in early September. That is when to judge Duff, Watson and Coleman. |
This ^
I'm certain this guy will get it right. | | | |
| Duff all on 19:52 - Jul 24 with 1384 views | KeithHaynes |
| Duff all on 19:43 - Jul 24 by Fireboy2 |
This ^
I'm certain this guy will get it right. |
If he can’t we are stuffed 😂
As we know a team can be looking at relegation in November and get promoted by May. |  |
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| Duff all on 19:53 - Jul 24 with 1383 views | STID2017 |
| Duff all on 19:07 - Jul 24 by vetchonian |
Maybe folks would prefer if Duff had said despite losing we were brave dominant but we have have to be patient with the process.
Lets start to measure the guy after 3 or 4 league games even I gave Russ that. |
Or better still maybe 10 to 15 games in ?
New manager, new players ( some ) plus new to him, plus implementing his own ideas |  |
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| Duff all on 19:57 - Jul 24 with 1375 views | builthjack |
| Duff all on 19:53 - Jul 24 by STID2017 |
Or better still maybe 10 to 15 games in ?
New manager, new players ( some ) plus new to him, plus implementing his own ideas |
After 46 games he will need to be top 6.
Anything less will be deemed a failure.
Here’s hoping. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Duff all on 20:20 - Jul 24 with 1345 views | QJumpingJack |
| Duff all on 19:53 - Jul 24 by STID2017 |
Or better still maybe 10 to 15 games in ?
New manager, new players ( some ) plus new to him, plus implementing his own ideas |
yes for Duff. He needs time.
But Watson and Coleman can be be judged on 1st September once the window is shut. | | | |
| Duff all on 22:29 - Jul 24 with 1271 views | ModeratorD |
| Duff all on 23:44 - Jul 23 by cadleigh |
I hate to disagree but if a manager is visibly failing to deliver the goods, I don’t believe supporters have any duty to continue slavishly cheering them on. If anything, I would argue that we have a moral duty to show how we feel about them so the Board understand supporter sentiment and this helps inform their thinking on whether to hang on to them or let them go.
When Laudrup lost interest, the majority of supporters let their feelings be known and he went.
When Monk’s team went into freefall, the same thing happened.
When Bradley was appointed and had a disastrous run of results, supporter pressure undoubtedly played a part in the owners’ decision to sack him.
With Clement, we were arguably too tolerant for far too long.
I would certainly accept that we should not rush to judgement on managers, and I think on the whole we are pretty good at that. Sousa got a whole season of delivering dire football with barely a murmur from supporters. Cooper has been more maligned since he left than I ever remember him being when he was our manager. And Martin may have got shredded on here and on Phil’s site, but in the stadiums his critics were models of self-restraint for the most part. |
Good post and some decent points raised.
I agree that in the stadiums, especially away, the support of managers or at least lack of descent is tangible and vastly different from the attitude of many on social media | | | |
| Duff all on 21:08 - Jul 25 with 1083 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Duff all on 19:09 - Jul 24 by Badlands |
He inherited a team that too 23 points from 27 in the final 9 games and scored more goals than any since 2010/11 and equalled only once in the second tier since 1960/61. |
You cannot cherry pick the season to beat the new manager with a very short stick. Most of last season was rubbish, there were about 15 decent games out of 46.
People gave Martin 2 full seasons but won't give Duff 2 months, it's ridiculous. Changing us out of last seasons style into Duff's style won't happen in a few pre-season friendlies. Specially as we will have several new players and will have lost a few as well.
10 league games then judge. | | | |
| Duff all on 21:15 - Jul 25 with 1061 views | Fireboy2 |
| Duff all on 21:08 - Jul 25 by SullutaCreturned |
You cannot cherry pick the season to beat the new manager with a very short stick. Most of last season was rubbish, there were about 15 decent games out of 46.
People gave Martin 2 full seasons but won't give Duff 2 months, it's ridiculous. Changing us out of last seasons style into Duff's style won't happen in a few pre-season friendlies. Specially as we will have several new players and will have lost a few as well.
10 league games then judge. |
Let's hope that business is done sooner than later as we need some inspiration. | | | |
| Duff all on 21:25 - Jul 25 with 1010 views | raynor94 |
| Duff all on 21:15 - Jul 25 by Fireboy2 |
Let's hope that business is done sooner than later as we need some inspiration. |
I'm a bit baffled with the team selection, and the chopping and changing, with one more pre season game to go.
I expected to see the team and formation we would we be using against Brum.
It will be interesting to see Saturday's line up. |  |
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| Duff all on 21:32 - Jul 25 with 964 views | union_jack |
| Duff all on 21:25 - Jul 25 by raynor94 |
I'm a bit baffled with the team selection, and the chopping and changing, with one more pre season game to go.
I expected to see the team and formation we would we be using against Brum.
It will be interesting to see Saturday's line up. |
That’s what I was thinking. And why so many u21s that probably won’t get into the match day squad.
Poor performance tonight, looked disjointed but hopefully that will come with game time together. I hope I'm wrong but I think we will struggle in the first 10 games. Maybe after that we’ll start to pick up some pace. |  |
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