| Possession 00:29 - Oct 15 with 4863 views | Shun |
A lot has been made of how we continually dominate possession this season yet don't do enough with it. Remarkably, our win against Accrington on Saturday was only the 2nd time all season we haven't had more of the ball than our opponent.
What's even more remarkable is some of the amounts of possession we've had in here compared to our pretty poor results. The fact that in our two heaviest defeats, 3-0 at Wycombe and 6-0 at Posh, we've had our two highest possession rates of the season, 71% and 64% respectively, is absolutely staggering!
Tranmere (W 3-2) - 61%
Doncaster (D 1-1) - 57%
Shrewsbury (D 0-0) - 61%
Sunderland (L 2-1) - 62%
Blackpool (D 0-0) - 52%
Southend (W 3-0) - 60%
Peterborough (L 6-0) - 64%
Lincoln (D 1-1) - 53%
Fleetwood (L 2-1) - 47%
Wycombe (L 3-0) - 71%
Wimbledon (L 3-2) - 55%
Accrington (W 2-1) - 49%
Unsurprisingly we lead the league charts in possession and successful passes, but results show us we aren't doing enough with it. How a team can have almost three quarters of the ball and still get hammered is beyond me.
Anyway, no real observations, I'm just a lover of stats, especially bizarre ones like these. [Post edited 15 Oct 2019 0:30]
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| Possession on 03:17 - Oct 15 with 3907 views | kiwidale |
The only conclusion you can draw from them stats is gerrit forad. |  |
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| Possession on 06:28 - Oct 15 with 3861 views | DaleiLama |
Interesting to see heat maps for that possession. If it's all in the bottom 2/3 and the goals come from passing around across the back 4 until we make a mistake ………. |  |
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| Possession on 08:03 - Oct 15 with 3779 views | fitzochris |
| Possession on 06:28 - Oct 15 by DaleiLama |
Interesting to see heat maps for that possession. If it's all in the bottom 2/3 and the goals come from passing around across the back 4 until we make a mistake ………. |
From my own observations, those stats back up the fact that we have good, intelligent passers of the ball and good off-the-ball movement, but we are let down when pressed into a mistake or a team hits us on the counter attack. This is chiefly down to having a patched-up side for the majority of the season to date.
The fact we basically rely on Henderson as our only clinician at the other end is why we do little with all the possession we manufacture. |  |
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| Possession on 08:06 - Oct 15 with 3768 views | isitme |
On occasions when our passing has made the opening we often lack the pace to exploit it. I would definitely agree with the pressing by the opposition. Williams especially is susceptible to this, especially with his back to goal, although he is generally okay when facing play and moving the ball about. |  | | |
| Possession on 08:14 - Oct 15 with 3749 views | fitzochris |
| Possession on 08:06 - Oct 15 by isitme |
On occasions when our passing has made the opening we often lack the pace to exploit it. I would definitely agree with the pressing by the opposition. Williams especially is susceptible to this, especially with his back to goal, although he is generally okay when facing play and moving the ball about. |
I agree about the lack of pace. This ties in again to an over reliance on Henderson. We need more options and preferably before January.
McShane was a positive move at the back (albeit loaning out Delaney was a mystifying one), so we need to do the same up front. | |
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| Possession on 10:16 - Oct 15 with 3637 views | DiddyDave |
| Possession on 03:17 - Oct 15 by kiwidale |
The only conclusion you can draw from them stats is gerrit forad. |
Hi mate,check your messages. | | | |
| Possession on 10:33 - Oct 15 with 3610 views | tony_roch975 |
| Possession on 08:14 - Oct 15 by fitzochris |
I agree about the lack of pace. This ties in again to an over reliance on Henderson. We need more options and preferably before January.
McShane was a positive move at the back (albeit loaning out Delaney was a mystifying one), so we need to do the same up front. |
Pace is often the distinguishing quality between higher/lower league players (& their costs) so I think we have to be realistic about what our finances can buy. Agree McShane had a good start (felt better cos of our fears about the back four on Saturday?) but we'll know more after he's faced other (better) opponents - he also isn't the quickest. Finding a pacy high-scoring striker is a much tougher ask. | |
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| Possession on 10:38 - Oct 15 with 3591 views | fitzochris |
| Possession on 10:33 - Oct 15 by tony_roch975 |
Pace is often the distinguishing quality between higher/lower league players (& their costs) so I think we have to be realistic about what our finances can buy. Agree McShane had a good start (felt better cos of our fears about the back four on Saturday?) but we'll know more after he's faced other (better) opponents - he also isn't the quickest. Finding a pacy high-scoring striker is a much tougher ask. |
We have managed to acquire pace before, whether on loan, through the Academy or otherwise. It is not an unknown quantity at this level.
And nobody with a level head is suggesting we start bidding for Ivan Toney et al, but acquiring a player to take some of the strain away from Henderson shouldn’t be beyond us either.
As I’ve said many times before, there is a huge difference between spending on an unrealistic and unsustainable goal, and keeping us competitive at this level. | |
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| Possession on 13:41 - Oct 15 with 3388 views | MancDale |
Personally I'd much prefer us to stick with and develop our possession game. As good as it was to win on Saturday the goals were as much down to luck as anything else. We can't rely on keeper errors and long punts up field every game.
We do need more pace and willingness to run at the opposition and I'm sure BBM will be working on that. Maybe a couple more wins and the sandy lane long ball merchants will give it a rest for a few weeks. | | | |
| Possession on 16:14 - Oct 15 with 3238 views | isitme |
| Possession on 10:33 - Oct 15 by tony_roch975 |
Pace is often the distinguishing quality between higher/lower league players (& their costs) so I think we have to be realistic about what our finances can buy. Agree McShane had a good start (felt better cos of our fears about the back four on Saturday?) but we'll know more after he's faced other (better) opponents - he also isn't the quickest. Finding a pacy high-scoring striker is a much tougher ask. |
You do get pace in the lower leagues, but often the players will lack experience, end product and/or work rate such as Sanmi Odelusi.
Tavares is fairly quick and looked decent when he came on. Maybe he could develop into a threat? | | | |
| Possession on 17:12 - Oct 15 with 3164 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Possession on 13:41 - Oct 15 by MancDale |
Personally I'd much prefer us to stick with and develop our possession game. As good as it was to win on Saturday the goals were as much down to luck as anything else. We can't rely on keeper errors and long punts up field every game.
We do need more pace and willingness to run at the opposition and I'm sure BBM will be working on that. Maybe a couple more wins and the sandy lane long ball merchants will give it a rest for a few weeks. |
Only a few old tossers shouting this, they will be dead soon, the sandy age profile is worrying |  |
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| Possession on 17:29 - Oct 15 with 3140 views | boromat |
The more of the ball we have the more likely we have a huge lapse in concentration and balls it up  | |
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| Possession on 18:06 - Oct 15 with 3090 views | DaleiLama |
| Possession on 16:14 - Oct 15 by isitme |
You do get pace in the lower leagues, but often the players will lack experience, end product and/or work rate such as Sanmi Odelusi.
Tavares is fairly quick and looked decent when he came on. Maybe he could develop into a threat? |
Liked the look of him from the bits I've seen but still looks a bit lightweight, especially in a challenge. Early days yet though. Morley has changed his physique just over this last summer. Maybe Tavares will do similar? Interesting that MJ has gone the opposite way, but is a lot more physical this campaign. On the subject of conditioning, FRMSE was bleating on the whole game about how "Dale look worn out". Accy on the other hand seemed to be world beaters according to him. At 2-0, I honestly started wondering if I'd missed an Accy hat trick or summat? | |
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| Possession on 19:22 - Oct 15 with 3010 views | nordenblue |
| Possession on 18:06 - Oct 15 by DaleiLama |
Liked the look of him from the bits I've seen but still looks a bit lightweight, especially in a challenge. Early days yet though. Morley has changed his physique just over this last summer. Maybe Tavares will do similar? Interesting that MJ has gone the opposite way, but is a lot more physical this campaign. On the subject of conditioning, FRMSE was bleating on the whole game about how "Dale look worn out". Accy on the other hand seemed to be world beaters according to him. At 2-0, I honestly started wondering if I'd missed an Accy hat trick or summat? |
FRMSE was also bleating on social media recently near me how the village where he lives has recently got rid of a "shite former United forward" widely known to be Fellaini, he'll gladly tell anyone that bothers to listen how Joey Barton texts him all the time,this was even before his move to Fleetwood, that's the mark of the kind of guy he is, an absolute weapon | | | |
| Possession on 19:26 - Oct 15 with 2999 views | 442Dale |
Not that he’d see any of this of course. |  |
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| Possession on 19:56 - Oct 15 with 2947 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Possession on 19:22 - Oct 15 by nordenblue |
FRMSE was also bleating on social media recently near me how the village where he lives has recently got rid of a "shite former United forward" widely known to be Fellaini, he'll gladly tell anyone that bothers to listen how Joey Barton texts him all the time,this was even before his move to Fleetwood, that's the mark of the kind of guy he is, an absolute weapon |
What is social media near you? | |
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| Possession on 19:58 - Oct 15 with 2946 views | soulboy |
Eyres comments after the match on Saturday were not only insulting to BBM but way off the mark regarding how we looked jaded and couldn't wait for the final whistle.What an annoying pillock.. |  | | |
| Possession on 20:01 - Oct 15 with 2941 views | TVOS1907 |
| Possession on 19:22 - Oct 15 by nordenblue |
FRMSE was also bleating on social media recently near me how the village where he lives has recently got rid of a "shite former United forward" widely known to be Fellaini, he'll gladly tell anyone that bothers to listen how Joey Barton texts him all the time,this was even before his move to Fleetwood, that's the mark of the kind of guy he is, an absolute weapon |
There's plenty of people around here who still text him information.
His comments on Radio Matey on Saturday were very unprofessional for someone currently working at a League One club. |  |
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| Possession on 20:10 - Oct 15 with 2926 views | DaleiLama |
| Possession on 20:01 - Oct 15 by TVOS1907 |
There's plenty of people around here who still text him information.
His comments on Radio Matey on Saturday were very unprofessional for someone currently working at a League One club. |
Is he what they refer to as a colour commentator? His opinions all seem to the same colour to me - tinged with hessian! | |
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| Possession on 20:12 - Oct 15 with 2926 views | James1980 |
| Possession on 19:58 - Oct 15 by soulboy |
Eyres comments after the match on Saturday were not only insulting to BBM but way off the mark regarding how we looked jaded and couldn't wait for the final whistle.What an annoying pillock.. |
Doesn't still bear a grudge does he? Not that he ever did of course  | |
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| Possession on 20:46 - Oct 15 with 2873 views | 49thseason |
| Possession on 17:12 - Oct 15 by rochdaleriddler |
Only a few old tossers shouting this, they will be dead soon, the sandy age profile is worrying |
Pissed again? |  | | |
| Possession on 21:21 - Oct 15 with 2845 views | nordenblue |
| Possession on 19:56 - Oct 15 by rochdaleriddler |
What is social media near you? |
A local village, invite only group on Facebook? | | | |
| Possession on 21:30 - Oct 15 with 2838 views | nordenblue |
| Possession on 20:01 - Oct 15 by TVOS1907 |
There's plenty of people around here who still text him information.
His comments on Radio Matey on Saturday were very unprofessional for someone currently working at a League One club. |
Make no mistake the guys a real tool,god only knows why but full of his own importance too, bless.
He's a MASSIVE star,in his own house.... | | | |
| Possession on 22:22 - Oct 15 with 2805 views | TVOS1907 |
| Possession on 21:30 - Oct 15 by nordenblue |
Make no mistake the guys a real tool,god only knows why but full of his own importance too, bless.
He's a MASSIVE star,in his own house.... |
Because people like Wagg allow him to be. | |
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| Possession on 22:37 - Oct 15 with 2781 views | kiwidale |
| Possession on 17:12 - Oct 15 by rochdaleriddler |
Only a few old tossers shouting this, they will be dead soon, the sandy age profile is worrying |
Riddler even allowing for a tongue in cheek comment that is bellendery at its finest. | |
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