| Ashes thread 17:11 - Jul 15 with 107982 views | johnhoop |
Now that the World Cup’s done and dusted we can turn our attention to the next major event.
For me the most interesting questions about team selection are;
1) Do we open with Jason Roy? For me it’s a no brainer. I know all the arguments against- he doesn’t even open for Surrey, he struggles against the moving ball etc- but I feel that he’s in such good form and the alternatives are so mediocre that it would be silly not to. If he does come off he could give us control of the game in the first couple of hours. Him and Rory Burns for me.
2) Now that Jofra Archer has to have a place in the side, who are the other two quick bowlers going to be. If fit I guess Anderson has to play and I would give the third spot to Woakes but this means no place for Stuart Broad and the 90 mph+ Mark Wood.
3) Which spinner to go with - Ali or Rashid? Ali’s batting form seems to have dipped but it’s still not an easy decision to make.
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| Ashes thread on 09:30 - Aug 5 with 1820 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Ashes thread on 08:03 - Aug 5 by Hooparoo |
Wade also made a century. We aren’t just Smith. |
Agreed. Don't forget about the performance of Siddle and Lyon providing partners for Smith in the first innings. Siddle scored 44 and Lyon 12 n.o., respectable knocks for bowlers, but look at the fall of wickets: 8-122 (Pat Cummins, 43.6 ov), 9-210 (Peter Siddle, 67.2 ov), 10-284 (Steven Smith, 80.4 ov).
Fantastic support for a top batsman in the form of his career! [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 9:37]
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| Ashes thread on 09:50 - Aug 5 with 1811 views | nix |
| Ashes thread on 08:03 - Aug 5 by Hooparoo |
Wade also made a century. We aren’t just Smith. |
Maybe. But if Smith had been out cheaply, I think psychologically it' would have been different for the player up the other end. Knowing he can just carry on batting once he's got in means the pressure is off for the other player. They're not thinking, it's all down to me and I'm going to have nurse the tail. Plus, he's so discouraging for our bowlers to play against. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:55 - Aug 5 with 1804 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 08:03 - Aug 5 by Hooparoo |
Wade also made a century. We aren’t just Smith. |
Whilst that has been true, it was against a very weakened England attack, with Anderson missing and Moeen totally out of form. I think it's a general thing across all nations, the preponderance of white ball cricket these days seems to have reduced the ability of batsmen to be able to defend and leave balls which are not threatening their wicket and thus build a long innings. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 10:17 - Aug 5 with 1791 views | Hooparoo |
| Ashes thread on 09:55 - Aug 5 by jonno |
Whilst that has been true, it was against a very weakened England attack, with Anderson missing and Moeen totally out of form. I think it's a general thing across all nations, the preponderance of white ball cricket these days seems to have reduced the ability of batsmen to be able to defend and leave balls which are not threatening their wicket and thus build a long innings. |
Agree. Whilst I enjoyed the World Cup, tests are a different skill set particularly concentration levels. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 10:30 - Aug 5 with 1770 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 06:49 - Aug 5 by jonno |
Exactly what I have been saying. Smith looks like the only batsman on either side who can play a proper test match innings. Even the Rory Burns innings the other day, and well done to him, he played and missed over forty times so he had a fair bit of luck. We currently seem to have no idea how to bowl to Smith to either get him out or dry up his runs. |
Stats show he is weakest (relatively) against bowlers who move the ball away from him whether it be leg spin, left arm spin or conventional away swing. Without Anderson to swing the ball late away against him,what I would try if I was Joe Root was this: His strength is the on side so to try to dry up his runs and keep him quiet they need to bowl as wide of the off stump as possible without conceding a wide.
His unconventional technique with the bat coming in an arc from third/fourth slip is to try to shovel everything leg side so bowling very wide of the off stump should mean he'll play few if any shots to these deliveries. Meanwhile they concentrate everything on getting out the batsman at the other end. It might be negative and pushing the letter of the law to the limit but they need to try something.
Leach needs to come in for Moeen next test and I might also go with Curran's left arm swing to replace Anderson rather than the more obvious Archer although Archer obviously offers raw pace which we are lacking.. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 10:32]
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| Ashes thread on 11:18 - Aug 5 with 1715 views | ted_hendrix |
Oh dear. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:19 - Aug 5 with 1667 views | Nov77 |
Oh dear, oh dear!
Doesn’t Roy want to play test cricket?
Stupid shot. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:25 - Aug 5 with 1651 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 12:19 - Aug 5 by Nov77 |
Oh dear, oh dear!
Doesn’t Roy want to play test cricket?
Stupid shot. |
One day slogger who has no idea how to play against spin. We have plenty of those I'm afraid. | | | |
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| Ashes thread on 12:29 - Aug 5 with 1632 views | ted_hendrix |
The bloke must be thick as shit, this game was save-able. | |
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| Ashes thread on 12:38 - Aug 5 with 1613 views | Nov77 |
Top three have all failed....again, oh, and wasted a review in the process | |
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| Ashes thread on 12:38 - Aug 5 with 1613 views | toboboly |
Same problems as pre-series. Batsman can't bat, Root can't captain. Problem this test has been Anderson injured and Ali killing off his test career. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:42 - Aug 5 with 1595 views | jonno |
Yes - not looking good for England. Edgbaston test - where England usually do their best - lost. Lords test - where England usually lose - coming up. Anderson and Wood both out for the series and they have no idea how to get Smith out. Can't see us winning one match - probably be 3-0 to the Aussies in the series. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 12:56 - Aug 5 with 1566 views | Tonto |
Root gone game over I'm afraid. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:56 - Aug 5 with 1563 views | ted_hendrix |
We'll be all out before I eat me bloody pudding. | |
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| Ashes thread on 13:22 - Aug 5 with 1516 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 12:19 - Aug 5 by Nov77 |
Oh dear, oh dear!
Doesn’t Roy want to play test cricket?
Stupid shot. |
Very silly shot given how we were starting to frustrate them a little.
Denly not lasting long was no surprise. We must surely have better than him to bat number 4.
Needed Root to stay there - time for Buttler and Stokes to perform their batting heroics again from the World Cup final. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 13:42 - Aug 5 with 1481 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 12:56 - Aug 5 by Tonto |
Root gone game over I'm afraid. |
It’s not so long ago that people were talking about Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson as the best four batsmen in the world, as if they were all at a similar level above the rest. To mention Root in the same company as Smith now seems absolutely preposterous. His captaincy is truly dreadful so the best thing for him would be if they take it off him and let him concentrate on his batting so he can hopefully recover his form. A few years ago I thought he was potentially the best England batsman I’d seen in fifty plus years of watching the game but something has gone badly wrong. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 13:49 - Aug 5 with 1465 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 13:22 - Aug 5 by TheChef |
Very silly shot given how we were starting to frustrate them a little.
Denly not lasting long was no surprise. We must surely have better than him to bat number 4.
Needed Root to stay there - time for Buttler and Stokes to perform their batting heroics again from the World Cup final. |
Buttler has gone. Neither he or Stokes are test match batsmen - just more one day sloggers. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 13:50 - Aug 5 with 1946 views | toboboly |
| Ashes thread on 13:42 - Aug 5 by johnhoop |
It’s not so long ago that people were talking about Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson as the best four batsmen in the world, as if they were all at a similar level above the rest. To mention Root in the same company as Smith now seems absolutely preposterous. His captaincy is truly dreadful so the best thing for him would be if they take it off him and let him concentrate on his batting so he can hopefully recover his form. A few years ago I thought he was potentially the best England batsman I’d seen in fifty plus years of watching the game but something has gone badly wrong. |
It did, he was given the captaincy. | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:08 - Aug 5 with 1909 views | Nov77 |
This is abject surrender, to go from having them 122-8 to getting completely thrashed takes some doing. | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 with 1838 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ashes thread on 13:49 - Aug 5 by jonno |
Buttler has gone. Neither he or Stokes are test match batsmen - just more one day sloggers. |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:54 - Aug 5 with 1794 views | Nov77 |
What’s the point in sending Anderson out? Don’t we need him fit ASAP? Why risk his injury getting worse? | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:59 - Aug 5 with 1773 views | ted_hendrix |
As expected Lyon is killing us. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:00 - Aug 5 with 1770 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 by Antti_Heinola |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |
Anderson really shouldn't have played. And on a disintegrating 5th day wicket you wouldn't expect too much.
The difference at the end of the day was Steve Smith. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:01 - Aug 5 with 1764 views | ted_hendrix |
| Ashes thread on 14:54 - Aug 5 by Nov77 |
What’s the point in sending Anderson out? Don’t we need him fit ASAP? Why risk his injury getting worse? |
Ridiculous and embarrassing too | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:04 - Aug 5 with 1754 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 14:59 - Aug 5 by ted_hendrix |
As expected Lyon is killing us. |
Mauling us, shirley  | |
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