| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. 20:06 - Feb 9 with 10663 views | ChrisSCFC |
Expecting a good few down arrows for this but I don't think Jack Cork is all he's cracked up to be by the majority of our fans.
His apparent designated position is a defensive midfielder yet it's Leon who does the vast majority of breaking up opposition play, Cork runs his bollocks off but he doesn't read the game like Leon does and IMO the game seems to pass him by at times.
I'd also go as far to say that Leon is more effective going forward than JC who's attacking prowess is on a par with Neil Taylor's.
Sadly with the way Ki's playing we look a bit light in terms of midfield options...
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:08 - Feb 9 with 7322 views | PozuelosSideys |
Cork has a bit of a habit of finding himself with the ball/around the ball/attracting the ball in advanced/attacking areas more than any of our other defensive players. Not sure how he manages it, but id much rather it was any of the other central midfielders. I prefer Cork when he sits deep, but that aint gonna happen when Leon does that role so well. Should be one or the other on the pitch imo |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:08 - Feb 9 with 7317 views | dickythorpe |
I'm not blown away by Cork either. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:12 - Feb 9 with 7275 views | veng9 |
I have no statistics to back this up but I feel we look a lot more solid and concede less goals from open play if Cork is on the pitch. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:19 - Feb 9 with 7233 views | jasper_T |
Cork isn't playing as a defensive midfielder in the current system. He's doing a box to box job down the right of the field i.e. running his bollocks off for the team. Leon does the majority of the defensive work because he's playing the central anchor role.
At the start of the season Cork was top of the league for interceptions (along with Cabaye iirc) so when played in a holding role his game-reading is fine. | | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:40 - Feb 9 with 7136 views | LeonisGod |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:08 - Feb 9 by PozuelosSideys |
Cork has a bit of a habit of finding himself with the ball/around the ball/attracting the ball in advanced/attacking areas more than any of our other defensive players. Not sure how he manages it, but id much rather it was any of the other central midfielders. I prefer Cork when he sits deep, but that aint gonna happen when Leon does that role so well. Should be one or the other on the pitch imo |
Agreed. Why he keeps popping up on the edge of the box is anyone's guess. The diamond doesn't suit him. JdG would have been great in it  |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 20:48 - Feb 9 with 7070 views | VetchitBack |
I don't get Cork. Maybe it's not him it's me. Maybe his intricacies are lost on me. I don't know. Definitely Taylor-like attacking but I m sure I'll get told it's not his game. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:02 - Feb 9 with 7001 views | Dewi1jack |
Maybe it's just me but,
I see Corky as being the closest we've found to being Ickle Leon's replacement.
Certainly far closer than Canas was.
Sooner or later Leon is going to hang up his boots. We tick with someone in that position.
Although Leon seems to be getting quicker with age. He's certainly running at defenders more in recent matches.
Maybe we're going to see his first goal since Sheffield (think it was Sheffield Utd, MG scored as well- hate the memory disability, have to write everything fuggin down!!.)
I like Corky, others won't.
Hey ho that's life.
Be boring if everyone was the same and held the same opinions. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:06 - Feb 9 with 6979 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:02 - Feb 9 by Dewi1jack |
Maybe it's just me but,
I see Corky as being the closest we've found to being Ickle Leon's replacement.
Certainly far closer than Canas was.
Sooner or later Leon is going to hang up his boots. We tick with someone in that position.
Although Leon seems to be getting quicker with age. He's certainly running at defenders more in recent matches.
Maybe we're going to see his first goal since Sheffield (think it was Sheffield Utd, MG scored as well- hate the memory disability, have to write everything fuggin down!!.)
I like Corky, others won't.
Hey ho that's life.
Be boring if everyone was the same and held the same opinions. |
I agree.
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:07 - Feb 9 with 6972 views | skippyjack |
Cork and recently Ayew or Ki.. have been playing the defensive midfield press on the left and right.. moving up in stages like the rugby.. they all take positions in turns like a cycle when going forward..
Our problem in our current formation, is that our fullbacks are not very good at it.. i thought Taylor had cracked it at Everton.. then played like a c*nt against West Brom.. Same for Rangel against Palace.. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:17 - Feb 9 with 6919 views | pencoedjack |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:02 - Feb 9 by Dewi1jack |
Maybe it's just me but,
I see Corky as being the closest we've found to being Ickle Leon's replacement.
Certainly far closer than Canas was.
Sooner or later Leon is going to hang up his boots. We tick with someone in that position.
Although Leon seems to be getting quicker with age. He's certainly running at defenders more in recent matches.
Maybe we're going to see his first goal since Sheffield (think it was Sheffield Utd, MG scored as well- hate the memory disability, have to write everything fuggin down!!.)
I like Corky, others won't.
Hey ho that's life.
Be boring if everyone was the same and held the same opinions. |
Also agree |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:31 - Feb 9 with 6866 views | shandyjack |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:02 - Feb 9 by Dewi1jack |
Maybe it's just me but,
I see Corky as being the closest we've found to being Ickle Leon's replacement.
Certainly far closer than Canas was.
Sooner or later Leon is going to hang up his boots. We tick with someone in that position.
Although Leon seems to be getting quicker with age. He's certainly running at defenders more in recent matches.
Maybe we're going to see his first goal since Sheffield (think it was Sheffield Utd, MG scored as well- hate the memory disability, have to write everything fuggin down!!.)
I like Corky, others won't.
Hey ho that's life.
Be boring if everyone was the same and held the same opinions. |
i agree, good player, still can't believe how cheap he was, bargain. Monks downfall included leaving Cork out for no reason towards the end of his role |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:39 - Feb 9 with 6831 views | Dewi1jack |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:06 - Feb 9 by Joe_bradshaw |
I agree.
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Thank you for that.
Forgot the Florist match goal.
Wasn't it a piledriver?
Think Dobbs got a cracker as well and who can forget Prats to seal the match when Camp Camp was sauntering back to his goal.
Brain lesions wrecking the memory banks.
Comments/ threads by others on here, trigger a lot of good, bad and pretty indifferent memories of watching us home and away.
So many thanks to one and all. | |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:40 - Feb 9 with 6830 views | SS2013 |
Very solid decent player. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:50 - Feb 9 with 6791 views | Kilkennyjack |
Ok squad player, certainly no Leon for quality and has zero go forward game. Good attitude and does the basics pretty well with the ball. Competitive and proven. Might prove hugely important in the run in. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 22:07 - Feb 9 with 6725 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
I like cork
I don't line cork running down the right wing .
It's a f@cking dreadful sight to be totally honest . |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 22:13 - Feb 9 with 6693 views | jruss1 |
Cork is a fantastic holding midfield player.
He's suffered a bit even when playing that position because he's different in style to Leon. Leon is a fairly unique player skill set wise and with what he does for us,even at this level.
As pointed out, Cork is being asked to play beyond his skill set right now but he's still doing OK. Although I hope to see us either ditch the diamond Saturday or put Ki or Fer in that position so we have a player who is more natural in forward areas.
Cork was a great buy for a bargain price, he will serve us well for years, no doubt about it. The type of player you always need. | | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 23:22 - Feb 9 with 6504 views | Griffting |
Cork is a good player. Garry Monk knocked his confidence after Stoke when he dropped him for that clanger that lead to the pen and he suffered a bit after that but yeah, certainly in this formation he's being asked to do a job because in that box to box role. While both him and Leon are on the pitch, Leon will always take the deeper centre mid role. Away from home that set up with both Cork and Britts is fine by me but i think at home we should look to play maybe 2 of Ayew/Ki/Fer in Cm in front of Leon for a bit more attacking intent. Maybe even go back to playing wingers. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 00:02 - Feb 10 with 6432 views | Davillin |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 21:31 - Feb 9 by shandyjack |
i agree, good player, still can't believe how cheap he was, bargain. Monks downfall included leaving Cork out for no reason towards the end of his role |
A quibble: I don't think that Monk left him out "for no reason."
Note, please, that I do not know the reason, nor the reason for Monk's leaving other good players out.
Nor can I explain why he didn't recognize, or at least do something about, the impact these actions had on the team and the team's success rate. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 00:05 - Feb 10 with 6424 views | Banosswan |
I'm sorry what? I'm obviously in the minority in thinking he is class and we were lucky to get him for the price we paid. He's definitely Leon's successor in the 'hold the team together' role. Too many times this season he's been covering other midfield failings, which then impacts on his role. See the Oxford game for an extreme example. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 04:13 - Feb 10 with 6326 views | dameedna |
Cork Siggy and Leon are less versatile than most midfielders in my opinion
Leon is showing more capacity to go box to box than Cork and continues to be an enigma
Did well against Cabaye and Mom
Cork should play Dm it is the only role he is any good at he can tackle run and head a ball better than all our midfielders except Ayew who is Mr utility and does all
With Cork and Leon sitting deep we need Naughton and bring in a player like van armhole from Sunderland as we are pitiful at wing back
our midfield covers this weakness by grinding back and forth like a liner at harbour
Cork doesn't have a turn of speed but very pleased we signed him as lose Leon and we will struggle unless Fer is good enough which I doubt [Post edited 10 Feb 2016 4:15]
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 06:06 - Feb 10 with 6266 views | EasternJack |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 22:07 - Feb 9 by oh_tommy_tommy |
I like cork
I don't line cork running down the right wing .
It's a f@cking dreadful sight to be totally honest . |
Can't agree with this post enough... |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 07:56 - Feb 10 with 6153 views | Zut_Alors |
Well put post, although I don't agree with your assessment of Cork.
I haven't seen Leon making the kinds of bursts forward we've seen of late for ages, and I think that has a lot to do with the stability that Cork offers the midfield. Post Monk, the complaints surrounding the team have primarily been with defensive lapses at set pieces and dilly dallying around the box. Stability in midfield, quick flowing passing have all returned and I would be reluctant to see us drop Cork, as that was exactly the type of thing people were complaining about before.
I would go as far as saying a combination of Cork and Leon could work well in a 4-2-3-1 system too. It would take some of the burden of defending from the wingers and perhaps allow for Barrow, Jeff or Routs to push on further.
If we're to stay in the diamond system, there's a big call to make on Saturday with Ki back fit. Personally, I would continue with the 11 who started against CP. I believe Ki needs to work harder, like he did when he returned from his loan spell at Sunderland. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 08:40 - Feb 10 with 6093 views | Clinton |
I've been thinking for a couple of weeks just how well Cork has been playing recently. Contributed to the improvement on results. I wasn't a big fan of him last season, but he's come on a lot since Christmas. He's turning into a top player. |  |
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| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 08:52 - Feb 10 with 6077 views | PapaLazarou |
| Unpopular opinions regarding Swans players. on 07:56 - Feb 10 by Zut_Alors |
Well put post, although I don't agree with your assessment of Cork.
I haven't seen Leon making the kinds of bursts forward we've seen of late for ages, and I think that has a lot to do with the stability that Cork offers the midfield. Post Monk, the complaints surrounding the team have primarily been with defensive lapses at set pieces and dilly dallying around the box. Stability in midfield, quick flowing passing have all returned and I would be reluctant to see us drop Cork, as that was exactly the type of thing people were complaining about before.
I would go as far as saying a combination of Cork and Leon could work well in a 4-2-3-1 system too. It would take some of the burden of defending from the wingers and perhaps allow for Barrow, Jeff or Routs to push on further.
If we're to stay in the diamond system, there's a big call to make on Saturday with Ki back fit. Personally, I would continue with the 11 who started against CP. I believe Ki needs to work harder, like he did when he returned from his loan spell at Sunderland. |
Definitely this.
We need to start playing Cork & Britton sitting deep, with Sigurdsson in the hole ahead of them, similar to how we played Allen, Britton and Sigurdsson under Rodgers.
Then pick 2 wingers from: Ayew, Routledge, Barrow & Montero.
Cork will never be as effective playing on the right flank. [Post edited 10 Feb 2016 9:59]
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