| Tata Steel 19:27 - Jun 27 with 7547 views | raynor94 |
Have responded to the strikes, by fetching forward the shutdown of both Furnaces from September to July 7th.
What a sad situation, this will be the decimation of Port Talbot as a Town [Post edited 27 Jun 19:27]
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| Tata Steel on 18:35 - Jun 30 with 1007 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tata Steel on 18:16 - Jun 30 by Wingstandwood |
Certain individuals 40 hour week(s) can never be compared; the difference is world’s apart.
Guy’s pushing heavy laden barrows during a ready mix concrete shuttering pour in unbearable heat and humidity for example cannot be compared to someone working in an air-conditioned office.
And working well into late 60's is some ask, because physical demands and wear and tear of certain jobs will make that impossible. RSI and arthritis etc. Add to that the fact that testosterone levels fall by 1% each and every year after the age of 30, which means that it takes far longer for the body to recuperate
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So the gist is 40 hour weeks and late retirement is an entirely different matter for certain professions. And government ministers have failed to appreciate that and have shown staggering levels of naivety! |
Couldn’t agree more.
I’m amazed this isn’t being talked about at the same time as rising retirement ages. |  | | |
| Tata Steel on 20:31 - Jun 30 with 934 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 18:16 - Jun 30 by Wingstandwood |
Certain individuals 40 hour week(s) can never be compared; the difference is world’s apart.
Guy’s pushing heavy laden barrows during a ready mix concrete shuttering pour in unbearable heat and humidity for example cannot be compared to someone working in an air-conditioned office.
And working well into late 60's is some ask, because physical demands and wear and tear of certain jobs will make that impossible. RSI and arthritis etc. Add to that the fact that testosterone levels fall by 1% each and every year after the age of 30, which means that it takes far longer for the body to recuperate
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So the gist is 40 hour weeks and late retirement is an entirely different matter for certain professions. And government ministers have failed to appreciate that and have shown staggering levels of naivety! |
For myself it's not naivety, it's wilfull and deliberate. The government knows that hard manual jobs have that effect and they don't care because it means people die earlier so don't cost so much in pensions and health care.
Wrappedup in their warm, comfortable, tax payer funded lives, they only care about how much they can make for themselves and they know to keep taking more they have to keep reducing what they spend on the masses.
There I go sounding all communist again! | | | |
| Tata Steel on 21:20 - Jun 30 with 911 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 20:31 - Jun 30 by SullutaCreturned |
For myself it's not naivety, it's wilfull and deliberate. The government knows that hard manual jobs have that effect and they don't care because it means people die earlier so don't cost so much in pensions and health care.
Wrappedup in their warm, comfortable, tax payer funded lives, they only care about how much they can make for themselves and they know to keep taking more they have to keep reducing what they spend on the masses.
There I go sounding all communist again! |
Simply this.
If London was the industrial behemoth many cities were, then diversification,relocating businesses and restructuring would already have taken place
Nobody in Westminster gives or has given monkeys about former industrial areas | |
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| Tata Steel on 22:20 - Jun 30 with 896 views | builthjack |
| Tata Steel on 20:03 - Jun 29 by SullutaCreturned |
What do you call a big salary, everyone in full time work should be paid enough to live but these days it takes two full time wages to run a house.
I agree too many people expect too much though. My company is saying that this year the full time week will be cit to 35 hours and I think that's fair enough, all full time work should be 35 hours so we can have time for a decent life outside of work.
The big problem is that the guilded few work very shorter hours but get paid massive salaries. Yes footballers but senir management and look at politicians, I thnk it was George Osborne who, on, well here,
https://news.sky.com/story/george-osbornes-evening-standard-role-raises-potentia
Yet we have people accepting this kind of greed and then telling "ordinary working people" they must work longer hours for much less money. Whatever happened to levelling up? Why can't we be looking to make peoples lives better? And these people who work in offices, the politicans, civil servants, senir management, board members etc, they can carry on working in their jbs into their 70's and be ok, try doing manual labour for over 50 years.
Builthy, I find it odd from a rabid tory basher that you should say something that sounds quite tory like. We must work longer hours if we want more money OR just accept being poor. It doesn't sound like socialism to me. |
But 35 hours a week is simple for most. Most builders, road workers etc that I know do 7 till half five Monday to Friday and usually do 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday.
They work hard.
Yet a lot of office bods do a 35 - 37 hour week for the same money or more.
Hard work doesn’t hurt anyone.
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| Tata Steel on 08:07 - Jul 1 with 840 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 22:20 - Jun 30 by builthjack |
But 35 hours a week is simple for most. Most builders, road workers etc that I know do 7 till half five Monday to Friday and usually do 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday.
They work hard.
Yet a lot of office bods do a 35 - 37 hour week for the same money or more.
Hard work doesn’t hurt anyone.
No wonder the country is in such a state with so many part timers. |
As opposed to many self employed who don’t have the cushion of a regular income
Sick…no money | |
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| Tata Steel on 20:57 - Jul 1 with 734 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 22:20 - Jun 30 by builthjack |
But 35 hours a week is simple for most. Most builders, road workers etc that I know do 7 till half five Monday to Friday and usually do 4 or 5 hours on a Saturday.
They work hard.
Yet a lot of office bods do a 35 - 37 hour week for the same money or more.
Hard work doesn’t hurt anyone.
No wonder the country is in such a state with so many part timers. |
I'm not an office worker and you spetacularly miss the point. In the 21st Century we should be looking to make everyone's lives easier, have a better work life balance so that there aren't the health problems in old age.
You shouldn't have to work 6 days a week to get by and a 35 hour weel can still involve hard work.
As an example, some people, like the aforementioned George Osborne could be said to be working extremely hard, 6 jobs, 8 days a week whereas we know he hardly works at all even with 6 jobs.
So long hours dont have to mean hard work and shorter hours don't have to be easy.. Besides most places don't pay you for breaks now so 35 hours is still full time.
When I was 22 I worked in a pub and I was working over 70 hours a week, at Christmas and new year I did 82 hours one year. I worked there for 3 years. Then I was a postman for 20 years and used to do a lot of overtime and when the Hereford system came in it was a basic 48 hour week.
So now, at 57 I have a new hip, am riddled with arthritis and have had nerve damage in my left elbow and a dodgy left shoulder.
As you get older life should be easier, or are you just trying to kill the old ones of first so they can't have too much pension?
The country is in such a stae because of rubbish governance be they tory, Labour or SNP.
When70 year olds still have to work then something is very wrong, it's a funny kind of socilaism that seeks to make people work long hours in their old age.
Edited to add, those builders, road workers etc, they get paid a lot more money than your average office worker. My wife is admin in the NHS and is on 24k per year for her 37 hour week. [Post edited 1 Jul 20:59]
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| Tata Steel on 21:56 - Jul 1 with 697 views | Boundy |
| Tata Steel on 20:57 - Jul 1 by SullutaCreturned |
I'm not an office worker and you spetacularly miss the point. In the 21st Century we should be looking to make everyone's lives easier, have a better work life balance so that there aren't the health problems in old age.
You shouldn't have to work 6 days a week to get by and a 35 hour weel can still involve hard work.
As an example, some people, like the aforementioned George Osborne could be said to be working extremely hard, 6 jobs, 8 days a week whereas we know he hardly works at all even with 6 jobs.
So long hours dont have to mean hard work and shorter hours don't have to be easy.. Besides most places don't pay you for breaks now so 35 hours is still full time.
When I was 22 I worked in a pub and I was working over 70 hours a week, at Christmas and new year I did 82 hours one year. I worked there for 3 years. Then I was a postman for 20 years and used to do a lot of overtime and when the Hereford system came in it was a basic 48 hour week.
So now, at 57 I have a new hip, am riddled with arthritis and have had nerve damage in my left elbow and a dodgy left shoulder.
As you get older life should be easier, or are you just trying to kill the old ones of first so they can't have too much pension?
The country is in such a stae because of rubbish governance be they tory, Labour or SNP.
When70 year olds still have to work then something is very wrong, it's a funny kind of socilaism that seeks to make people work long hours in their old age.
Edited to add, those builders, road workers etc, they get paid a lot more money than your average office worker. My wife is admin in the NHS and is on 24k per year for her 37 hour week. [Post edited 1 Jul 20:59]
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When I worked for a privatised utility company my working hours initially decreased to 37 hour a week but my terms and conditions altered ( not in my favour) . My job involved climbing and working at heights in all weather conditions and after 30 + years I knew I couldn't continue without it having a adverse effect on my health, this has now become a reality with collapsed L4 & 5 discs , rheumatoid arthritis in my right hand , left elbow and right knee , I was fortunate 11 years ago to obtain voluntary redundancy , not enough for me to finish work but enough to pay off my mortgage . (one of the terms and conditions of taking the redundancy money was that I could not make a claim for any physical deterioration which may arose due to my job activities )
I then managed to get another job with many transferable skills but with less of the physical requirements although it was still at times demanding , which anyone working offshore will attest to , but due to the issue with cancer I decided to finish work altogether after 11 years so I'm now officially retired , a lucky one in a sea of many who as already stated , will have to struggle on just to survive .I have 3 sons two of which despite my nagging are living for the day with no thought for the future and I despair at the thought that by the time they're old enough to retire they wont be able to afford to. | |
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| Tata Steel on 22:10 - Jul 1 with 677 views | builthjack |
| Tata Steel on 20:57 - Jul 1 by SullutaCreturned |
I'm not an office worker and you spetacularly miss the point. In the 21st Century we should be looking to make everyone's lives easier, have a better work life balance so that there aren't the health problems in old age.
You shouldn't have to work 6 days a week to get by and a 35 hour weel can still involve hard work.
As an example, some people, like the aforementioned George Osborne could be said to be working extremely hard, 6 jobs, 8 days a week whereas we know he hardly works at all even with 6 jobs.
So long hours dont have to mean hard work and shorter hours don't have to be easy.. Besides most places don't pay you for breaks now so 35 hours is still full time.
When I was 22 I worked in a pub and I was working over 70 hours a week, at Christmas and new year I did 82 hours one year. I worked there for 3 years. Then I was a postman for 20 years and used to do a lot of overtime and when the Hereford system came in it was a basic 48 hour week.
So now, at 57 I have a new hip, am riddled with arthritis and have had nerve damage in my left elbow and a dodgy left shoulder.
As you get older life should be easier, or are you just trying to kill the old ones of first so they can't have too much pension?
The country is in such a stae because of rubbish governance be they tory, Labour or SNP.
When70 year olds still have to work then something is very wrong, it's a funny kind of socilaism that seeks to make people work long hours in their old age.
Edited to add, those builders, road workers etc, they get paid a lot more money than your average office worker. My wife is admin in the NHS and is on 24k per year for her 37 hour week. [Post edited 1 Jul 20:59]
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I would have a minimum wage of £15 hour and a maximum of £50 hour.
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| Tata Steel on 22:13 - Jul 1 with 674 views | builthjack |
| Tata Steel on 22:10 - Jul 1 by builthjack |
I would have a minimum wage of £15 hour and a maximum of £50 hour.
Seriously. |
That’s not communism. It’s just lowering the gap between rich and poor. | |
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| Tata Steel on 07:42 - Jul 2 with 600 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 22:10 - Jul 1 by builthjack |
I would have a minimum wage of £15 hour and a maximum of £50 hour.
Seriously. |
In which case,you’d have no dentists ,doctors,and most certainly no Barristers not to mention footballers .
In fact,why should a plumber charge 80 quid for 1/2 hours work,and roofers or sparks,the people you need when things go pop. | |
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| Tata Steel on 07:58 - Jul 2 with 599 views | Dr_Winston |
"Lowering the gap between rich and poor" = "I'm insanely jealous of anyone who has more than me". |  |
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| Tata Steel on 09:37 - Jul 2 with 567 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 07:42 - Jul 2 by onehunglow |
In which case,you’d have no dentists ,doctors,and most certainly no Barristers not to mention footballers .
In fact,why should a plumber charge 80 quid for 1/2 hours work,and roofers or sparks,the people you need when things go pop. |
Of course you would. Doctors, dentists, Barristers, don't want to be laying bricks or roofing | | | |
| Tata Steel on 09:48 - Jul 2 with 568 views | raynor94 |
| Tata Steel on 22:13 - Jul 1 by builthjack |
That’s not communism. It’s just lowering the gap between rich and poor. |
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| Tata Steel on 09:56 - Jul 2 with 563 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 09:48 - Jul 2 by raynor94 |
Sounds like a Jeremy Corbyn policy |
Sounds like a policy most reasonable people would support | | | |
| Tata Steel on 11:01 - Jul 2 with 538 views | Whiterockin |
| Tata Steel on 22:10 - Jul 1 by builthjack |
I would have a minimum wage of £15 hour and a maximum of £50 hour.
Seriously. |
A minimum wage of £15 an hour would just fuel inflation. We will probably arrive there within the next couple of years anyway, to do it at a stroke would instantly impact inflation. As for a maximum wage of £50 an hour that is just fantasy world. The people you are talking about restricting are probably not paid by the hour anyway, it's more likely per job or annually and the hourly rate does not come into it. People in that earnings bracket get what they get because people are prepared to pay it. |  | | |
| Tata Steel on 12:02 - Jul 2 with 518 views | builthjack |
| Tata Steel on 07:58 - Jul 2 by Dr_Winston |
"Lowering the gap between rich and poor" = "I'm insanely jealous of anyone who has more than me". |
Come on then.
I will put a simple question to you.
Could you survive working full time on £11.44 per hour ?
That's £314 maximum a week after stoppages.
Because that's what carers etc have to survive on.
I don't suppose you care. | |
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| Tata Steel on 12:17 - Jul 2 with 507 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 11:01 - Jul 2 by Whiterockin |
A minimum wage of £15 an hour would just fuel inflation. We will probably arrive there within the next couple of years anyway, to do it at a stroke would instantly impact inflation. As for a maximum wage of £50 an hour that is just fantasy world. The people you are talking about restricting are probably not paid by the hour anyway, it's more likely per job or annually and the hourly rate does not come into it. People in that earnings bracket get what they get because people are prepared to pay it. |
Actually no, because wages have lagged behind inflation not the other way round | | | |
| Tata Steel on 12:27 - Jul 2 with 494 views | Whiterockin |
| Tata Steel on 12:17 - Jul 2 by controversial_jack |
Actually no, because wages have lagged behind inflation not the other way round |
Are you saying that the living wage has lagged behind inflation. Because to increase the minimum pay to £15 and hour it would be the national living wage which has outstriped inflation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445674.amp [Post edited 2 Jul 12:31]
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| Tata Steel on 12:58 - Jul 2 with 474 views | controversial_jack |
Yes, wages have lagged behind. Inflation was caused by other factors, high energy costs and high food costs and blatant profit grabbing by supermarkets and restaurants etc after the covid opening up period | | | |
| Tata Steel on 13:16 - Jul 2 with 469 views | Whiterockin |
| Tata Steel on 12:58 - Jul 2 by controversial_jack |
Yes, wages have lagged behind. Inflation was caused by other factors, high energy costs and high food costs and blatant profit grabbing by supermarkets and restaurants etc after the covid opening up period |
You don't get it and I can't be arsed to play your silly games. I'm out. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 13:18 - Jul 2 with 466 views | Dr_Winston |
| Tata Steel on 12:02 - Jul 2 by builthjack |
Come on then.
I will put a simple question to you.
Could you survive working full time on £11.44 per hour ?
That's £314 maximum a week after stoppages.
Because that's what carers etc have to survive on.
I don't suppose you care. |
Yes. Quite easily. I could do it now with my current monthly expenses, but trade my car down for an old banger instead of a relatively new one with monthly payments and it'd be a doddle.
That's "surviving" which is a different thing to living comfortably. "Surviving" is mostly a matter of spending priorities.
My dad is on combined pensions of £1500 a month and still manages to save nearly a third of it, and and that's with rent to pay. He's got the money for bigger expenses as and when he needs it. [Post edited 2 Jul 13:37]
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| Tata Steel on 13:34 - Jul 2 with 435 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 13:16 - Jul 2 by Whiterockin |
You don't get it and I can't be arsed to play your silly games. I'm out. |
What you mean to say is, you don't have an answer. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 13:48 - Jul 2 with 426 views | builthjack |
| Tata Steel on 13:18 - Jul 2 by Dr_Winston |
Yes. Quite easily. I could do it now with my current monthly expenses, but trade my car down for an old banger instead of a relatively new one with monthly payments and it'd be a doddle.
That's "surviving" which is a different thing to living comfortably. "Surviving" is mostly a matter of spending priorities.
My dad is on combined pensions of £1500 a month and still manages to save nearly a third of it, and and that's with rent to pay. He's got the money for bigger expenses as and when he needs it. [Post edited 2 Jul 13:37]
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So you could live on £1300 a month
Rent of about £700 .
Rates £100
Gas and leccy £180
Food £400
Car to run £250
The list goes on.
Without going into savings and selling your car you couldn't do it. | |
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