| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 239650 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 19:02 - May 27 with 2445 views | terryb |
| General Election Thread on 18:57 - May 27 by BostonR |
That by-election came not long after the Dominic Cummings Barnard Castle charade. The Lib Dem’s took the seat from Dame Cheryl Gillan who passed away unexpectedly. They won it with a swing of 25% and over an 8,000 majority. Yes HS2 and Brexit were factors, but I cannot see the Tories re-claiming that seat.
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I would think that they are worried about a lot of consticuencies stretching from St Albans to the Berkshire/Wiltshire border.
I would think the new Harpenden & Berkhamsted seat will be closely contested. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 19:03 - May 27 with 2442 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 18:54 - May 27 by QPR_John |
Again you are saying Cameron should not have called the referendum but have not said why. The only conclusion is that you know better than the great unwashed. Maybe you think only a select group including you of course should decide who runs the country.
“ the pro Brexit campaign was riddled with promises that have never been nor will ever be realised, and people fell for those promises.”
And the next few weeks!!!!! [Post edited 27 May 19:01]
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Okay, you're right. I don't think he should have called the referendum for the reason I gave before. He did so in a vain attempt to stop internal Tory wrangling. That was common knowledge at the time.
And it's the Bullingdon Club boys who actually do believe their select group should be running the country, not me. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 22:25 - May 27 with 2318 views | queensparker |
| General Election Thread on 18:54 - May 27 by QPR_John |
Again you are saying Cameron should not have called the referendum but have not said why. The only conclusion is that you know better than the great unwashed. Maybe you think only a select group including you of course should decide who runs the country.
“ the pro Brexit campaign was riddled with promises that have never been nor will ever be realised, and people fell for those promises.”
And the next few weeks!!!!! [Post edited 27 May 19:01]
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The same geniuses that promised that leaving the EU would solve immigration and make things better for everyone are now proposing to bring back national service.
I would gently argue that it’s another pie in the sky piece of absolute bullshit from the same vested interests that sounds good in theory and has literally no chance of happening. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:03 - May 28 with 2147 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 18:37 - May 27 by dmm |
It wasn't that long ago that the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility said the impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic.
Trading businesses small and large have been negatively affected by Brexit. The FT regularly reports this.
I've still to see any benefits of Brexit including the blatant Brexit bus lie of £350m a week for the NHS. [Post edited 27 May 18:39]
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"It wasn't that long ago that the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility said the impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic."
With respect, that is utterly ludicrous. Do you really think that locking down an entire country for months at a time, and on top of that paying people not to work (let alone the billions spent on PPI, vaccines and so on) would not cripple any economy?
It is only through the dark arts of quantitative easing and how fiat currencies operate that the whole shebang has been kept afloat. Similarly, the entire European project is a multi-trillion debt bubble that teeters on the brink of bursting. It's no surprise that Western governments favour wars - whether directly or by proxy - as the best means of servicing the seemingly endless debt capacity.
Of course Brexit created all sorts of short to medium term issues that have affected the economy, but similar issues affect Europe, and there are also benefits from no longer being tied to the European behemoth, not least not being tethered to its (almost) inevitable collapse.
Anyway, this seems to be one of those issues that once people have decided which side they're on, there's no changing their minds on.
Regarding the forthcoming election, I think you're right in fearing a large majority for Labour. My specific concerns are that they are in hock to an unholy collection of extremist causes, similar to the Greens and Lib Dems, and that these threaten the fabric of our society. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 09:17 - May 28 with 2114 views | LowerloftLad |
I wont be voting and I just switch TV off the moment I hear the words general election.
One thing everyone can agree on is that they all lie and the country is pretty much f£%ked now as it is and they are in it to line their own pockets.
So go ahead and vote for whoever you want but you will get the same outcome unfortunately. [Post edited 28 May 9:20]
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| General Election Thread on 09:34 - May 28 with 2036 views | stowmarketrange |
They would’ve done better to allow the personal allowance to rise every year as it used to do.By freezing it for years they are dragging more and more low paid workers and pensioners into paying tax.
That would’ve benefited everyone rather than just grasping at straws to try and save their necks at the 11th hour. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:37 - May 28 with 2027 views | BostonR |
The 20-30 year old working groups are being taxed to the hilt. Unless, I am mistaken the Tories have pulled these groups into fiscal drag so they are being taxed more. It’s little wonder that this age group have no affiliation with the Tories.
Anyone in this group earning £25-45K is literally financially stuffed and will be for sometime. Not sure how Labour unlock that but it’s clear the Tories have chosen the over 60’s to try and win back some ground. I thought this analysis was really insightful:
People now in their 30s are the first generation to earn less than those born ten years before them since the 1930s. Record numbers of young people live with their parents, trapped by a dysfunctional housing market and unstable employment. Millennials spend a far higher proportion of their income on housing costs than the Boomers did at their age, with spiralling rental costs largely to blame. The typical family headed by a thirty year old today would take 19 years to save a deposit for a home. In the 1980s, it would have taken three years. Young people are finding things previous generations took for granted to be effectively out of reach.
Not sure how Labour are going to bridge what will eventually be a generational gap. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:43 - May 28 with 1995 views | ActonExile |
| General Election Thread on 09:03 - May 28 by hubble |
"It wasn't that long ago that the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility said the impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic."
With respect, that is utterly ludicrous. Do you really think that locking down an entire country for months at a time, and on top of that paying people not to work (let alone the billions spent on PPI, vaccines and so on) would not cripple any economy?
It is only through the dark arts of quantitative easing and how fiat currencies operate that the whole shebang has been kept afloat. Similarly, the entire European project is a multi-trillion debt bubble that teeters on the brink of bursting. It's no surprise that Western governments favour wars - whether directly or by proxy - as the best means of servicing the seemingly endless debt capacity.
Of course Brexit created all sorts of short to medium term issues that have affected the economy, but similar issues affect Europe, and there are also benefits from no longer being tied to the European behemoth, not least not being tethered to its (almost) inevitable collapse.
Anyway, this seems to be one of those issues that once people have decided which side they're on, there's no changing their minds on.
Regarding the forthcoming election, I think you're right in fearing a large majority for Labour. My specific concerns are that they are in hock to an unholy collection of extremist causes, similar to the Greens and Lib Dems, and that these threaten the fabric of our society. |
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| General Election Thread on 10:11 - May 28 with 1909 views | Snipper |
Both sides were telling porkies in the run up to the Brexit referendum.
Our own Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osbourne, said that there would be an emergency 10p rise in tax if we voted for Brexit.
The fear mongering was from both sides. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:15 - May 28 with 1900 views | QPR_John |
The tax allowance is £12750 and the state pension is about £11500. Now while the state pension is taxable it is not taxed at source (like PAYE). Hence any pensioner receiving only the state pension does not in effect pay any tax. Without any change the state pension will eventually exceed the free pay allowance. Which will lead to every state pensioner with no other income having to fill in a self assessment form with the extra burden on the IR at the end of the tax year. Unless the free pay allowance increases in the near future this plan was inevitable whoever gets in. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:56 - May 28 with 1811 views | Hayesender |
| General Election Thread on 12:00 - May 26 by hamptonhillhoop |
It's very telling that people on this messageboard have come up with better ideas within a couple of hours than a government that's been in power for fourteen years |
People on this message board aren't in the back pockets of the WEF |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:09 - May 28 with 1754 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 19:03 - May 27 by dmm |
Okay, you're right. I don't think he should have called the referendum for the reason I gave before. He did so in a vain attempt to stop internal Tory wrangling. That was common knowledge at the time.
And it's the Bullingdon Club boys who actually do believe their select group should be running the country, not me. |
UKIP eating into the Conservative vote forced the referendum. Cameron wouldn't have got his majority in 2015 without including that referendum commitment in the manifesto. It's a rare case of democracy actually working and giving the Government no option but to listen to us, and we should be proud of that.
More referendums, more democracy. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:13 - May 28 with 1740 views | Esox_Lucius |
| General Election Thread on 09:17 - May 28 by LowerloftLad |
I wont be voting and I just switch TV off the moment I hear the words general election.
One thing everyone can agree on is that they all lie and the country is pretty much f£%ked now as it is and they are in it to line their own pockets.
So go ahead and vote for whoever you want but you will get the same outcome unfortunately. [Post edited 28 May 9:20]
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It will with that attitude. I'm not trying to turn this into a fight but your vote is necessary, even if it is a spoilt vote. A low turnout is about the only chance the Tory party have of not getting destroyed in the GE. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:21 - May 28 with 1705 views | Esox_Lucius |
| General Election Thread on 10:11 - May 28 by Snipper |
Both sides were telling porkies in the run up to the Brexit referendum.
Our own Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osbourne, said that there would be an emergency 10p rise in tax if we voted for Brexit.
The fear mongering was from both sides. |
Only one campaign had legal charges brought against them; Leave. The porkies seem to be standard fare from all politicians and II am not disputing that both sides used the ignorance and fear of the voters to attempt to sway the decision.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992
I also found this on Hansard site.
"The Attorney General
(Mr Geoffrey Cox)
The Crown Prosecution Service works closely with the police, including by providing early investigative advice, to consider 809 allegations of electoral fraud in accordance with the code of Crown prosecutors. The Crown Prosecution Service recognises the importance of protecting democracy, and all cases involving election offences are referred to specialist prosecutors within the Crown Prosecution Service’s special crime and counter-terrorism division.
Dr Huq
The Vote Leave campaign dropping its appeal is as good as its admitting the illegality and illegitimacy of the 2016 referendum result. When will electoral law breaking be treated as a serious crime? Will the Attorney General also ensure that there is a full, transparent, independent inquiry into the foreign funding of Nigel Farage’s new vehicle? [Post edited 28 May 11:30]
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| General Election Thread on 11:25 - May 28 with 1679 views | QPR_Hibs |
| General Election Thread on 10:15 - May 28 by QPR_John |
The tax allowance is £12750 and the state pension is about £11500. Now while the state pension is taxable it is not taxed at source (like PAYE). Hence any pensioner receiving only the state pension does not in effect pay any tax. Without any change the state pension will eventually exceed the free pay allowance. Which will lead to every state pensioner with no other income having to fill in a self assessment form with the extra burden on the IR at the end of the tax year. Unless the free pay allowance increases in the near future this plan was inevitable whoever gets in. |
" Which will lead to every state pensioner with no other income having to fill in a self assessment form with the extra burden on the IR at the end of the tax year. "
A small point, but I'm pretty sure that there will be no requirement to fill out self assessment forms. If your income exceeds your tax code the government will know! |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:31 - May 28 with 1647 views | Sonofpugwash |
Let the bribery begin,I'm open to offers. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 11:40 - May 28 with 1626 views | colinallcars |
I was alarmed by Starmer wishing to lower the voting age to 16.
I would raise it to 53 and smoking a pipe. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:47 - May 28 with 1602 views | Gus_iom |
| General Election Thread on 11:09 - May 28 by SheffieldHoop |
UKIP eating into the Conservative vote forced the referendum. Cameron wouldn't have got his majority in 2015 without including that referendum commitment in the manifesto. It's a rare case of democracy actually working and giving the Government no option but to listen to us, and we should be proud of that.
More referendums, more democracy. |
Sorry, but referendums are by nature populist, and giving people what they vote for has no place in a democracy.... [Post edited 28 May 13:19]
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| General Election Thread on 11:52 - May 28 with 1576 views | Esox_Lucius |
Without appearing to be pedantic; both sides were fined for expense related excesses that breached the government's spending rules. Only one was charged with illegalities. I will be more than happy to see both the major parties drop out of existence as getting richer seems to be more important than serving the country to the current incumbents.
Incidentally, PoliticsHome is a conservative owned publication with Michael Ashcroft as the major shareholder. Unlikely to be an unbiased news source. [Post edited 28 May 11:55]
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| General Election Thread on 11:57 - May 28 with 1540 views | SheffieldHoop |
All of it ignores the fact that the general public used their vote over 10+ years to push the politicians to this point.
None of them wanted an EU referendum, which should have been held long before the EU really opened up in 2004, but wasn't, until they were eventually forced to hold one by the electorate more than a decade later, and the electorate was finally able to deliver the message that all the politicians (And the useful idiots who prop them up) wanted to ignore and had been ignoring since at least 2004, if not longer.
The fact they immediately went back to their default position of "Ignore those people, the EU is our strength" - After 10 years of the electorate gently nudging (Voting) them towards the referendum - then voting Leave against all establishment advice when we finally got that referendum - tells you all you need to know about the contempt in which they hold us. | |
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| General Election Thread on 12:10 - May 28 with 1520 views | StJude82 |
This is exactly what they did in 1975. The pro-EEC campaign was massively funded by the state. The Anti-EEC campaign was funded by mainly small donations. People like Benn, Shore, Powell, Foot and others had to pay their own expenses, hotels - the lot for their public speaking dates. I was pro-Europe then. Watch the debates from the time and every one is won by the anti-EEC campaigners. EVERYTHING they said came true. The likes of Heath and Jenkins spouted vague utopian ideals when challenged with facts. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:12 - May 28 with 3043 views | derbyhoop |
| General Election Thread on 09:17 - May 28 by LowerloftLad |
I wont be voting and I just switch TV off the moment I hear the words general election.
One thing everyone can agree on is that they all lie and the country is pretty much f£%ked now as it is and they are in it to line their own pockets.
So go ahead and vote for whoever you want but you will get the same outcome unfortunately. [Post edited 28 May 9:20]
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No vote = no say. You can't then complain if what follows is not to your taste. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 12:19 - May 28 with 2988 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 12:12 - May 28 by derbyhoop |
No vote = no say. You can't then complain if what follows is not to your taste. |
I don’t really buy into this, especially with FPTP and binning FPTP would improve turnout. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:29 - May 28 with 2921 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 12:19 - May 28 by Watford_Ranger |
I don’t really buy into this, especially with FPTP and binning FPTP would improve turnout. |
We had a referendum on voting reform in 2011. Less than 50% of eligible voters bothered to vote. 2 out of 3 voted no.
I don't really buy the "We need to bin FPTP" sentiment given we had an opportunity to do it in recent history, and passed on it. For context, I was a Yes. AV was not ideal, but surely still better than FPTP/2 party (But both basically the same) system. Apparently not when both major parties like things the way they are. | |
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| General Election Thread on 12:56 - May 28 with 2876 views | essextaxiboy |
If you are/ were anti Brexit but in favour of PR it worth remembering that under PR, UKIP would have won 83 seats in 2015 having out polled all of the smaller parties added together and therefore holding the balance of power. |  | | |
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