| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 141926 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:31 - Sep 15 with 1862 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:57 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Just wonder how many more deaths will be caused by the increase in air pollution caused by cars burning more fuel.
Even Drakeford's report said road deaths may decrease by 10 in total over the next 10 years.
Currently 90 people a year are killed in road accidents in Wales.
1400 people in Wales are killed by air pollution.
Given that most road deaths and serious accidents occurred occurred on roads outside 30 mph zones 60% that means roughly 40% occur in 30 mph zones which may mean 36 deaths a year. There do not seem to be any official figures for road deaths breakdown on roads by speed zone only serious accidents. Even the deaths are not broken down into groups I.e. drivers, passengers, cyclist and pedestrians.
I just wonder if these figures are even available to the senedd to make an informed decision on 20 mph zones.
Hence Drakeford's very vague statement " deaths might reduce by 10 over next 10 years"
The other report from the Senedd also says the 20mph limit will cost motorist, business and tourist more money with a hit to the Welsh economy of £2 billion a year. Yet still we vote these idiots into power. [Post edited 15 Sep 2023 8:06]
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I thought their report said it'd cost Wales 9 billion iver the next 30 years? Mind you if it said that then there more chance of it being 18 billion over 15 years because politicians lie.
What you say about the stats is spot on though. yet the Senedd mouthpieces in St Brides were saying it would help the climate, brain washed buffoons. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:49 - Sep 15 with 1832 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:31 - Sep 15 by SullutaCreturned |
I thought their report said it'd cost Wales 9 billion iver the next 30 years? Mind you if it said that then there more chance of it being 18 billion over 15 years because politicians lie.
What you say about the stats is spot on though. yet the Senedd mouthpieces in St Brides were saying it would help the climate, brain washed buffoons. |
The reason every news report regarding the 20mph comes from St Brides. Do a couple of reports from areas in North Wales where they have been trialing it and residents are complaining about the pollution as lorries need to be in 2nd gear to make the hills. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:18 - Sep 15 with 1811 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:31 - Sep 15 by SullutaCreturned |
I thought their report said it'd cost Wales 9 billion iver the next 30 years? Mind you if it said that then there more chance of it being 18 billion over 15 years because politicians lie.
What you say about the stats is spot on though. yet the Senedd mouthpieces in St Brides were saying it would help the climate, brain washed buffoons. |
The £9 billion figure was cost to economy of extra time of journey. It did not include the extra costs to every motorist for extra fuel cost due to driving in low gear or the costs to Welsh Tourism.
Drakeford also said it would save the NHS £90 million due to fewer casualties on the roads. He did not say how much extra it would cost the NHS due to increased pollution. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 13:26 - Sep 15 with 1798 views | max936 |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:18 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
The £9 billion figure was cost to economy of extra time of journey. It did not include the extra costs to every motorist for extra fuel cost due to driving in low gear or the costs to Welsh Tourism.
Drakeford also said it would save the NHS £90 million due to fewer casualties on the roads. He did not say how much extra it would cost the NHS due to increased pollution. |
He's a dillweed and getting worse, treating Wales like it's his dictatorship, he needs to be removed ASAP. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:47 - Sep 15 with 1761 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:18 - Sep 15 by felixstowe_jack |
The £9 billion figure was cost to economy of extra time of journey. It did not include the extra costs to every motorist for extra fuel cost due to driving in low gear or the costs to Welsh Tourism.
Drakeford also said it would save the NHS £90 million due to fewer casualties on the roads. He did not say how much extra it would cost the NHS due to increased pollution. |
Yeah, the mothpieces from St Brides said it'd help with the climate, they clearly have no understanding of driving in lower gears all the time and the outcome on fuel consumption and emissions.
Of the 90 million he "expects" to save on crash victims I do wonder how many young people will suffer long term health problesm from all those emissions.
This 20mph thing would be ok if we all hard electric cars but that is a long way off and getting all those very heavy lorries to electric is even further off. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:03 - Sep 16 with 1654 views | union_jack |
The dissenters have been transported to Yr Gulagio. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:07 - Sep 16 with 1639 views | onehunglow |
Come to Wales and six points on your licence,sneering contempt from locals and hand painted signs telling you that you’re not welcome.
Oh,and you can pay extra tax for the privilege .
Croeso indeed | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:13 - Sep 16 with 1609 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:03 - Sep 16 by union_jack |
The dissenters have been transported to Yr Gulagio. |
No, worse than that, they use spin and propaganda, bg lies. Towards the bottom of the story is this,
When approached for comment, a Welsh Government spokesperson said they 'weren't aware' of any protest having taken place in Holywell.
And I'll call that an outright lie. it's typical of politicians, when they have no decent answer, they lie. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:29 - Sep 16 with 1588 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:07 - Sep 16 by onehunglow |
Come to Wales and six points on your licence,sneering contempt from locals and hand painted signs telling you that you’re not welcome.
Oh,and you can pay extra tax for the privilege .
Croeso indeed |
Another Welsh tourist recommendation from you then…wonderful. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:02 - Sep 16 with 1543 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:13 - Sep 16 by SullutaCreturned |
No, worse than that, they use spin and propaganda, bg lies. Towards the bottom of the story is this,
When approached for comment, a Welsh Government spokesperson said they 'weren't aware' of any protest having taken place in Holywell.
And I'll call that an outright lie. it's typical of politicians, when they have no decent answer, they lie. |
It’s not necessarily a lie, the protest took place yesterday, the article was written yesterday and with the press office (who receive such requests) being somewhere down south (and possibly closed when the request was made) it’s possible the press office weren’t aware of the protest when they received the request. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:53 - Sep 16 with 1520 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:02 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
It’s not necessarily a lie, the protest took place yesterday, the article was written yesterday and with the press office (who receive such requests) being somewhere down south (and possibly closed when the request was made) it’s possible the press office weren’t aware of the protest when they received the request. |
With respect that's a load of tosh. With the social media arm of all political parties they know exactly what is going on, if it doesn't suit they choose to ignore it. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:37 - Sep 16 with 1474 views | JackUlation |
Or is it to allow some person more time to ogle schoolgirls on their walk to school | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:11 - Sep 17 with 1381 views | felixstowe_jack |
The online petition to the Senedd has already reached 22,567 signatures more than the 10,000 that is required to trigger a debate in the SENEDD.
" We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrou 20 mph law."
Https.//petitions.senedd.wales/senedd/254458
Signatures now 22,991 up over 400 just in the time it has taken to write this post. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:27 - Sep 17 with 1343 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:11 - Sep 17 by felixstowe_jack |
The online petition to the Senedd has already reached 22,567 signatures more than the 10,000 that is required to trigger a debate in the SENEDD.
" We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrou 20 mph law."
Https.//petitions.senedd.wales/senedd/254458
Signatures now 22,991 up over 400 just in the time it has taken to write this post. |
Error [Post edited 17 Sep 2023 19:29]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:32 - Sep 17 with 1328 views | Ohyeah |
This is going to go further than this 20 mph according to the Welsh Government published document updated last month.
National Transport Delivery Plan 2022 to 2027.
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We will also motivate people away from private car use through demand management - the Wales Transport Strategy includes a commitment to develop a national road user charging framework. Further work will be undertaken to develop a fair and equitable road user charging framework, including how local authorities can borrow against these future revenue streams to fund transport improvements; and also consider other alternatives such as workplace car parking levies and road space reallocation" | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:46 - Sep 17 with 1304 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:11 - Sep 17 by felixstowe_jack |
The online petition to the Senedd has already reached 22,567 signatures more than the 10,000 that is required to trigger a debate in the SENEDD.
" We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrou 20 mph law."
Https.//petitions.senedd.wales/senedd/254458
Signatures now 22,991 up over 400 just in the time it has taken to write this post. |
27,500 signatures now the fastest growing petition in the Welsh Government's history | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:47 - Sep 17 with 1304 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:11 - Sep 17 by felixstowe_jack |
The online petition to the Senedd has already reached 22,567 signatures more than the 10,000 that is required to trigger a debate in the SENEDD.
" We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrou 20 mph law."
Https.//petitions.senedd.wales/senedd/254458
Signatures now 22,991 up over 400 just in the time it has taken to write this post. |
They’ll just have the debate and decide they were right from the start. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Sep 17 with 1300 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:47 - Sep 17 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They’ll just have the debate and decide they were right from the start. |
Then hopefully everyone who has signed the petition will vote for another party at the next Senedd election. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:58 - Sep 17 with 1263 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Sep 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Then hopefully everyone who has signed the petition will vote for another party at the next Senedd election. |
No alternative! Plaid support Labour policies | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:16 - Sep 17 with 1208 views | Luther27 |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:47 - Sep 17 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They’ll just have the debate and decide they were right from the start. |
Didn’t this happen a couple of days ago? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:28 - Sep 17 with 1187 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:16 - Sep 17 by Luther27 |
Didn’t this happen a couple of days ago? |
There seems to be a lot of defaced 20mph signs around today. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:39 - Sep 17 with 1170 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Sep 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Then hopefully everyone who has signed the petition will vote for another party at the next Senedd election. |
How come welsh speakers are exempt, then ?
How come they get to carry on hurtling around at 30 mph ?! |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 06:41 - Sep 18 with 1139 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:39 - Sep 17 by Kilkennyjack |
How come welsh speakers are exempt, then ?
How come they get to carry on hurtling around at 30 mph ?! |
Does you post even make sense? Why Welsh speakers exempt from the 20 mph limit. Where did you hear that. | |
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