| Colston Statue vandals innocent 18:40 - Jan 5 with 20232 views | Flashberryjack |
Colston vandals are CLEARED: Gleeful BLM activists thank Banksy for his support after they are acquitted of criminal damage over toppling of Edward Colston statue - sparking outrage that jury has given a 'greenlight to political vandalism. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:28 - Jan 5 with 1253 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:22 - Jan 5 by controversial_jack |
It wasn't the great train robbery or a multi million pound heist.Get a grip mate. |
Any serious concerns over justice due to the location for the trial and/or jurors, then it should be moved regardless of perceived scale of crime.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason?
As a white person especially, that should be classed as a confronting sight.
I should really be able to do as I wish given the arguments given in this case. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 23:30]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:32 - Jan 5 with 1243 views | Kilkennyjack |
Well done to the jury who heard all the evidence.
There should be no honour for the slave trade. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:44 - Jan 5 with 1233 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:32 - Jan 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Well done to the jury who heard all the evidence.
There should be no honour for the slave trade. |
He wasn't honored for the slave trade. He was honored for his charity work. That's why his statue was erected.
....not for the slave trade involved in most of the world economic system over 400 years ago. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 23:45]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:52 - Jan 5 with 1226 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:44 - Jan 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
He wasn't honored for the slave trade. He was honored for his charity work. That's why his statue was erected.
....not for the slave trade involved in most of the world economic system over 400 years ago. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 23:45]
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How did he help the charities ?
Did he spend monies that came from the slave trade ? | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 00:08 - Jan 6 with 1219 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:52 - Jan 5 by Kilkennyjack |
How did he help the charities ?
Did he spend monies that came from the slave trade ? |
Everybody's wealth in some capacity came from the slave trade 400 years ago.
Again you don't seem to be grasping that this is the way things were across the world, regardless of race. White people were slaves too.
The most wholesome person you can think of 400 years ago was probably part of the slave trade in some form or other, whether that is profiting from it, being involved in it or even consuming the goods from it.
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 00:59 - Jan 6 with 1199 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:28 - Jan 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Any serious concerns over justice due to the location for the trial and/or jurors, then it should be moved regardless of perceived scale of crime.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason?
As a white person especially, that should be classed as a confronting sight.
I should really be able to do as I wish given the arguments given in this case. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 23:30]
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Some very inconvenient statements there, that will be ignored by the Colston "4" apologists no doubt. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 14:35]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 02:40 - Jan 6 with 1166 views | RonaldStump |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:43 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
Burglary will be next.Like drugs ,they cant control it so why not.
We have utterly lost our way as a society.
Frankly,in some ways,it makes me laugh as it seems there will be massive karma for the next generation . |
In San Francisco you are allowed to go into a store and shoplift up to the value of $900 legally.
Let that sink in
That is where we are heading with these BLM taking the knee lunatics |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 06:20 - Jan 6 with 1127 views | angryjack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 02:40 - Jan 6 by RonaldStump |
In San Francisco you are allowed to go into a store and shoplift up to the value of $900 legally.
Let that sink in
That is where we are heading with these BLM taking the knee lunatics |
Think I might move there then 900 pound a day sounds great..maybe if I worked hard and done 2 or 3 stores 1800 a day.. | | | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 07:34 - Jan 6 with 1107 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 02:40 - Jan 6 by RonaldStump |
In San Francisco you are allowed to go into a store and shoplift up to the value of $900 legally.
Let that sink in
That is where we are heading with these BLM taking the knee lunatics |
That’s not correct. I had a bit of a Google and ignoring some of the bonkers right wing websites, I also found this form a defence attorneys site. You may also be charged with theft, which differs from shoplifting if you entered with intent to steal eg, have foil lined bags
https://www.losangeles-criminalattorneys.com/practice-areas/theft-crime/shoplift
If you are charged with a shoplifting offense, without any infuriating factors, as a first time offender of goods not more than $950 in value, your case will be treated as a misdemeanor. For this reason, you are likely to face statutory penalties of serving time in a county jail for not more than six months, along with serving time is payment of fines not exceeding $1,000. Also, you may serve probation time of three years while participating in community service.
However, if the defendant is being charged with a first-time offense of shoplifting merchandise with a value not exceeding $50, the penalties may be reduced. Your criminal defense attorney may negotiate your case with the prosecutor to an infringement. This may include completing a diversion plan as opposed to serving prison time and paying fines. It means that if you're found guilty of committing this crime, you possibly will face a statutory penalty of paying fines not exceeding $250. |  | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 07:38 - Jan 6 with 1097 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:28 - Jan 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Any serious concerns over justice due to the location for the trial and/or jurors, then it should be moved regardless of perceived scale of crime.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason?
As a white person especially, that should be classed as a confronting sight.
I should really be able to do as I wish given the arguments given in this case. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 23:30]
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I’ve got a fraud trial I’m defending which goes back nearly 7 years now. Keeps getting adjourned due to lack of court time and prioritising custody, and sex trials. It has its forth listing for trial in February. I wouldn’t be surprised if it went off again. No court is going to accept a criminal damage trial being transferred into its area at the expense of its own massive lists.
Too many courts shut, too many court rooms not used, not enough barristers to defend or prosecute.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
‘Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason? ‘
Colston has no ramifications for any other case whatsoever. What do you think would happen if a statue of Jimmy Saville was erected ? Both of our points are daft which shows that everything is a case by case basis. Colston was responsible for the death of so many people, I’m glad it was toppled.
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 08:54 - Jan 6 with 1071 views | Boundy |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 07:38 - Jan 6 by Sirjohnalot |
I’ve got a fraud trial I’m defending which goes back nearly 7 years now. Keeps getting adjourned due to lack of court time and prioritising custody, and sex trials. It has its forth listing for trial in February. I wouldn’t be surprised if it went off again. No court is going to accept a criminal damage trial being transferred into its area at the expense of its own massive lists.
Too many courts shut, too many court rooms not used, not enough barristers to defend or prosecute.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
‘Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason? ‘
Colston has no ramifications for any other case whatsoever. What do you think would happen if a statue of Jimmy Saville was erected ? Both of our points are daft which shows that everything is a case by case basis. Colston was responsible for the death of so many people, I’m glad it was toppled.
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I once worked with a gentleman ( in the true sense of the word) who had been a POW , held by the Japanese who carried both the mental and physical scars until his death . His hatred of anything Japanese was understandable to anyone who heard what he had to endure. There are still a few alive who suffered the same experiences , all within living memory . They had/have a valid reason to be "offended" but seemingly have enough restraint to go around defacing destroying public property.
I wonder what life's experiences the 4 defendants and the rest of the rabble that day could have quoted in their defence.
IMO To use an example of a statue of Jimmy Saville is disingenuous because of the now known and unacceptably offensives he committed . | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:15 - Jan 6 with 1063 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 23:52 - Jan 5 by Kilkennyjack |
How did he help the charities ?
Did he spend monies that came from the slave trade ? |
Even the Irish were involved in the slave trade. St Patrick was a born in Roman Britain and was captured and enslaved by Irish slave traders. Should we now pull down and burn all Irish flags as symbols of the Irish Slave trade or should we recognise these things happened 100s of years ago. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:28 - Jan 6 with 1054 views | Professor |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:40 - Jan 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nah there is enough food grown on the planet right now to feed every single person in the world.
The problem is 67% of it is used as animal feed, to develop animals to feed to 8% of the world. Its a horrifically inefficient model.
The amount of space needed to farm animals is off the charts. If that space was used to grow plants it would be more than enough to support the worlds needs and a many times over population increase.
Think of it on a smaller scale. If you used your whole garden to grow crops and vegetables, that would go a lot further than having a cow in it, having to have another garden to grow crops to feed it.
Twice the amount of land needed, about about 2% of the energy harvested if you were to then eat the cow as opposed to the crops you would have grown on the same plots of land.
To put it another way, for every 1 person you feed with that cow, you would feed 50 with the crops/vegetables grown on it if there was no cow there and the need to feed it. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 21:44]
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It's flawed data based on animal production all being the US grain-fed beef system, which is both highly inefficient and abhorrent in terms of welfare. It keeps getting repeated but is absolutely incorrect but with veganism being 'in vogue' with the chattering classes of the media it is not being challenged. Moving to a plant-based system with sufficient protein and micronutrients will lead to monocultures and a bigger ecological disaster. Production of lamb/mutton and beef using traditional beef breeds has a much lower impact and utilises grazing land that cannot be cropped and does not support woodland as re-wilders claim. Now production of plant protein (largely soya) to provide protein sources for monogastric production which is far more efficient than ruminants is currently an issue, but given pigs and chickens are naturally omnivorous then protein sources (like insect larvae) can largely replace soya. It does mean chicken becomes a larger proportion of animal protein in diets than current and sustainable red meat production becomes a more infrequent 'treat" as is Welsh Lamb now as it is inherently more expensive.
Not just my view, but those of who really study food production systems and their economics like my colleague Jon Rushton or Chris Elliot at QUB. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:31 - Jan 6 with 1053 views | Professor |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:28 - Jan 5 by Flashberryjack |
Could that have anything to do with population growth ? |
More increased wealth. As China, SE Asia and parts of Africa have become wealthier the demand for meat has increased. It's not decreased in the UK either. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:42 - Jan 6 with 1043 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 07:38 - Jan 6 by Sirjohnalot |
I’ve got a fraud trial I’m defending which goes back nearly 7 years now. Keeps getting adjourned due to lack of court time and prioritising custody, and sex trials. It has its forth listing for trial in February. I wouldn’t be surprised if it went off again. No court is going to accept a criminal damage trial being transferred into its area at the expense of its own massive lists.
Too many courts shut, too many court rooms not used, not enough barristers to defend or prosecute.
It has wider ramifications than just this crime of course. Any damage caused to property with any sort of links to historical standards is now fair game.
‘Can I smash up Mercedes Benz cars whenever I see them because they used (overwhelmingly white) slave labor in World War 2? Throw paint over Hugo Boss clothing for the same reason? ‘
Colston has no ramifications for any other case whatsoever. What do you think would happen if a statue of Jimmy Saville was erected ? Both of our points are daft which shows that everything is a case by case basis. Colston was responsible for the death of so many people, I’m glad it was toppled.
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Jimmy Saville was a criminal, he committed vile crimes in an age where it was seen as abhorrent. It wasn’t the product of the environment.
Colston committed no crimes, it was 400 years ago and that way of life was standard fare.
It’s not remotely comparable. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 9:43]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:45 - Jan 6 with 1034 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:42 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Jimmy Saville was a criminal, he committed vile crimes in an age where it was seen as abhorrent. It wasn’t the product of the environment.
Colston committed no crimes, it was 400 years ago and that way of life was standard fare.
It’s not remotely comparable. [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 9:43]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:45 - Jan 6 with 1034 views | Professor |
I find it interesting that Bristol and Liverpool( which overtook Bristol as the main slaver port) have very different approaches. Liverpool is very mindful of its role in slavery and hosts the International Slavery Museum ( https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/international-slavery-museum) which I recommend if you want a miserable afternoon. It is very aware of buildings and many streets (including Penny Lane) with links to the slave trade. Bristol is a very 'right on' city compared to the more old school socialism of Liverpool. But also have to wonder if the role of societies like the Merchant Venturers in Bristol prolonged the glorification of the merchants who built wealth on the so-called 'triangle of evil' of slaves, sugar and tobacco. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:05 - Jan 6 with 1015 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:28 - Jan 6 by Professor |
It's flawed data based on animal production all being the US grain-fed beef system, which is both highly inefficient and abhorrent in terms of welfare. It keeps getting repeated but is absolutely incorrect but with veganism being 'in vogue' with the chattering classes of the media it is not being challenged. Moving to a plant-based system with sufficient protein and micronutrients will lead to monocultures and a bigger ecological disaster. Production of lamb/mutton and beef using traditional beef breeds has a much lower impact and utilises grazing land that cannot be cropped and does not support woodland as re-wilders claim. Now production of plant protein (largely soya) to provide protein sources for monogastric production which is far more efficient than ruminants is currently an issue, but given pigs and chickens are naturally omnivorous then protein sources (like insect larvae) can largely replace soya. It does mean chicken becomes a larger proportion of animal protein in diets than current and sustainable red meat production becomes a more infrequent 'treat" as is Welsh Lamb now as it is inherently more expensive.
Not just my view, but those of who really study food production systems and their economics like my colleague Jon Rushton or Chris Elliot at QUB. |
I think that data is taken solely from the US production system, so wouldn’t call it flawed. It’s region specific. That data has been true for decades, it’s horrifically inefficient, full of cruel practices and not healthy for the population it feeds. Meat/animal product consumption absolutely has led to some of the worst health issues faced by mankind and will continue to do so.
This is an accepted fact now and there have been numerous studies and papers that now base their findings on such data. The experts aren’t really in any conflict over this from scholars in ecology like David Pimentel to renowned economists like Jeremy Rifkin.
https://www.fooddive.com/news/the-meat-industry-is-unsustainable-report-finds/57
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2015/04/27/Jeremy-Rifkin-Meat-is-the-most-
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-
“Animal protein production requires more than eight times as much fossil-fuel energy than production of plant protein while yielding animal protein that is only 1.4 times more nutritious for humans than the comparable amount of plant protein, according to the Cornell ecologist's analysis.“
That’s not even touching upon the water use. It takes almost 2000 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of beef, it’s like 40 bathtubs full to the brim. Just horrendous.
The protein argument is always one that amuses me. Rhinos, Gorillas and Bulls are some of the most muscular animals on the planet and are all herbivores. There is more than enough protein in a vegan diet to not only survive but thrive. Nothing “needs” to be lab produced, you can get protein everywhere you look.
Broccoli for example has more protein per calorie than steak, and the resources to grow Broccoli compared to cattle isn’t even comparable in its efficiency. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:07 - Jan 6 with 1012 views | onehunglow |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 09:15 - Jan 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Even the Irish were involved in the slave trade. St Patrick was a born in Roman Britain and was captured and enslaved by Irish slave traders. Should we now pull down and burn all Irish flags as symbols of the Irish Slave trade or should we recognise these things happened 100s of years ago. |
West Africa saw many many local Black slave traders trading their own people.
Basic facts.
Many made millions ,of all colours throughout history. Some in the middle east still doing it. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:26 - Jan 6 with 1004 views | GruffStephens |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 22:12 - Jan 5 by Sirjohnalot |
There are just two defences in a criminal jury trial.
1. The jury shouldn’t convict you.
2. The jury don’t want to.
Get the evidence to lead the jury to one of those and you are on to a winner. |
That doesn’t sit well with me. I’m no law man but ‘leading’ people to a verdict sounds wrong, albeit your an experienced man I’m not making accusations. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:29 - Jan 6 with 1001 views | onehunglow |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:26 - Jan 6 by GruffStephens |
That doesn’t sit well with me. I’m no law man but ‘leading’ people to a verdict sounds wrong, albeit your an experienced man I’m not making accusations. |
Some Jurors won’t want to convict anyone simply because they have been arrested and therefore victimised by the State .
It’s why conviction rates in many Cities are higher than Rural | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:34 - Jan 6 with 991 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:26 - Jan 6 by GruffStephens |
That doesn’t sit well with me. I’m no law man but ‘leading’ people to a verdict sounds wrong, albeit your an experienced man I’m not making accusations. |
One of my first jury trials, many years ago was a lady who had been battered by her husband for years. She snapped one day and beat the crap into him. Only defence available was self defence. From a complete legal viewpoint, what she did went well beyond what self defence was. However, she described in detail what she had done to her over the years, by the end some of the jurors were in tears.
They acquitted her in 15 minutes. They did not want to convict this lovely lady with a good job which she would not only have lost but would have gone to prison for a long time.
Lead them to not wanting to convict your client. Juries are human, they're not a law book | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:15 - Jan 6 with 970 views | Professor |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 10:05 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think that data is taken solely from the US production system, so wouldn’t call it flawed. It’s region specific. That data has been true for decades, it’s horrifically inefficient, full of cruel practices and not healthy for the population it feeds. Meat/animal product consumption absolutely has led to some of the worst health issues faced by mankind and will continue to do so.
This is an accepted fact now and there have been numerous studies and papers that now base their findings on such data. The experts aren’t really in any conflict over this from scholars in ecology like David Pimentel to renowned economists like Jeremy Rifkin.
https://www.fooddive.com/news/the-meat-industry-is-unsustainable-report-finds/57
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2015/04/27/Jeremy-Rifkin-Meat-is-the-most-
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-
“Animal protein production requires more than eight times as much fossil-fuel energy than production of plant protein while yielding animal protein that is only 1.4 times more nutritious for humans than the comparable amount of plant protein, according to the Cornell ecologist's analysis.“
That’s not even touching upon the water use. It takes almost 2000 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of beef, it’s like 40 bathtubs full to the brim. Just horrendous.
The protein argument is always one that amuses me. Rhinos, Gorillas and Bulls are some of the most muscular animals on the planet and are all herbivores. There is more than enough protein in a vegan diet to not only survive but thrive. Nothing “needs” to be lab produced, you can get protein everywhere you look.
Broccoli for example has more protein per calorie than steak, and the resources to grow Broccoli compared to cattle isn’t even comparable in its efficiency. |
But humans are monogastric. We can't easily extract sufficient nutritional value from plants like ruminants can. It's why we, chimps and pigs are omnivores.
It may be an accepted fact in the media, but it is fundamentally incorrect based on a flawed 2006 FAO report which greatly overestimates land use and greenhouse gas emissions. This is widely recognised in science, but not the media.
There is no argument that less, but higher welfare, meat should be eaten, but the benefits of veganism are being strongly pushed by the vested interests by the large multinationals flogging meat alternatives. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:54 - Jan 6 with 946 views | Catullus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:12 - Jan 5 by Sirjohnalot |
https://thebristolcable.org/2021/12/colston-heavily-involved-in-britains-most-pr
Have a look at this. Can you imagine living in Bristol,and seeing the statue of this person everyday, knowing he was responsible or involved in the death of so many black people. The plaque on it, did Not mention anything to do with that, it praised him, celebrated his life.
If I was defending, I’d ask the jury to imagine that, especially if you’re black, if you had the opportunity, what would you do ? What was going through their minds, at that time, was it reasonable ? As the defence expert said ‘can you imagine if that was a statute of Hitler ?
On a side point, the Crown employed a QC to prosecute it ! Completely over the top. That’d have costs thousands.
Also goes to illustrate what I was saying about Capital punishment. Jury probably didn’t convict due to feeling sorry for them, a jury would likely not want to send someone to their death [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 20:17]
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It's nothing like a statue of Hitler in my opinion. Colston is from way back at a time when this was the accepted way of things. During his own time Hitler was committing crimes against humanity, Colston wasn't. The fact that today his involvement in slavery is abhorrent to us, it doesn't justify crimes.
The statue should have been taken down. There was plenty of fuss about it, plenty of people objected to it. I blame the council, they should have acted on the complaints. In a properly functioning democracy maybe they would have. Our democracy hasn't been properly functioning for a while though.
If vandalism against reminders of slavery and awful acts against humanity is allowed then why not burn down the houses (Colston was an MP too) of Parliament? Why not bomb Buckingham Palace? There are lots of reminders, everywhere we look. King Charles II and the Duke of York set up the Royal Africa Company, so why not dismantle the Monarchy?
The rule of law has to take precedent otherwise it's a slippery slope. Would I be justified in killing a paedophile who molested my son? many parents would think I had a reasonable excuse. We cannot pick and choose when the law applies or anarchy is coming. These vandals could have been found guilty and given the most minimal punishment, a nod to the moral justification of what they did but a reminder that it was still a crime.
Edit, if a paedo had molested my son I would definitely have gone to prison! [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 12:11]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:59 - Jan 6 with 942 views | onehunglow |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:54 - Jan 6 by Catullus |
It's nothing like a statue of Hitler in my opinion. Colston is from way back at a time when this was the accepted way of things. During his own time Hitler was committing crimes against humanity, Colston wasn't. The fact that today his involvement in slavery is abhorrent to us, it doesn't justify crimes.
The statue should have been taken down. There was plenty of fuss about it, plenty of people objected to it. I blame the council, they should have acted on the complaints. In a properly functioning democracy maybe they would have. Our democracy hasn't been properly functioning for a while though.
If vandalism against reminders of slavery and awful acts against humanity is allowed then why not burn down the houses (Colston was an MP too) of Parliament? Why not bomb Buckingham Palace? There are lots of reminders, everywhere we look. King Charles II and the Duke of York set up the Royal Africa Company, so why not dismantle the Monarchy?
The rule of law has to take precedent otherwise it's a slippery slope. Would I be justified in killing a paedophile who molested my son? many parents would think I had a reasonable excuse. We cannot pick and choose when the law applies or anarchy is coming. These vandals could have been found guilty and given the most minimal punishment, a nod to the moral justification of what they did but a reminder that it was still a crime.
Edit, if a paedo had molested my son I would definitely have gone to prison! [Post edited 6 Jan 2022 12:11]
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It is exactly as you say Cat
Sadly,this society of ours is guilt ridden and feels unable to move forward without navel gazing and deep thought about matter 200 years ago.
It amazes me how the Japanese do not all commit suicide given their barbarity not that long ago.
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