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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:11 - Nov 28 with 1430 views | Dr_Parnassus |
What Quillette actually said however was:-
He got that injury to his brain when he was attacked in Portland by ANTIFA.
So again, any videos you claim to be staged. Stick them up here so we can investigate.
Sounds typically far fetched to me. [Post edited 28 Nov 2020 1:18]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:32 - Nov 28 with 1409 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:07 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why are you leaving clues? Why don't you just tell us all which videos are staged?
That link of yours, which I assume you haven't read or understood (again), says nothing about staged videos. It says he got sacked because he didn't stop a group of people talking about an attack.
Because I am sure they would have listened to a little Asian journalist
You say he has been ''outed'' yet the extent of the accusations are as strong as me saying you have been outed for being a wife beater.
The left constantly make things up about him because he exposes them and their poster boys, something the MSM won't do.
I laughed the other day when Trampie tried to suggest he was working with the Proud Boys, the extent of his proof was a recording of someone who said Andy had been beaten up in Portland because he REFUSED the offer of protection from the Proud Boys for favorable coverage.
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So I linked a clue to the guy and his working modus operandi and yet he's an upstanding citizen. He is an agent provocateur/apologist and this is why he was sacked - since then the right has removed the awkward videos that they initially promoted to eliminate the problems with his "journalism".
Additionally It's ironic that we must allow your view of events /individuals as a "gospel" and yet everyone else's view is flawed without clinical/critical evidence... and yet your promotion of of electoral fraud has no clinical/critical evidence. And again I must ask what is the evidence of Joe Biden's "crimes", forgetting the (il)legitimacy of the claims against Hunter Biden.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:39 - Nov 28 with 1406 views | DJack |
Whilst we are here ...getting back on track, another State court case lost by Trump in a court where the judge is ... a Trump appointee.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Judge Bibas
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000176-0ae5-d692-a977-1effb4f90000 | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:40 - Nov 28 with 1406 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:32 - Nov 28 by DJack |
So I linked a clue to the guy and his working modus operandi and yet he's an upstanding citizen. He is an agent provocateur/apologist and this is why he was sacked - since then the right has removed the awkward videos that they initially promoted to eliminate the problems with his "journalism".
Additionally It's ironic that we must allow your view of events /individuals as a "gospel" and yet everyone else's view is flawed without clinical/critical evidence... and yet your promotion of of electoral fraud has no clinical/critical evidence. And again I must ask what is the evidence of Joe Biden's "crimes", forgetting the (il)legitimacy of the claims against Hunter Biden.
You are the biggest fraud on these boards. |
So you are leaving unsubstantiated clues of something not related to your accusation, for us to make further assumptions based on that?
Do you see how bonkers that is? I really hope you do.
So again, can you show us which of these videos are staged? If you don't know just say so and we can assume you were doing the typical thing of trying to slander people and hope they don't ask for specifics.
You guessed in other words.
1) Where have I promoted electoral fraud? My stance is the same today as it was always, all accusations need to be explored.
2) Hunter Biden's laptop had photos of him, emails involving him and his business partners have confirmed it.
Now if you have Andy Ngo's laptop which shows staged videos and Andy Ngo's associates confirming it, I would happily accept that and not pretend it was a North Korean plot to plant false evidence.
So again, which videos are staged? Show me one. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:56 - Nov 28 with 1394 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:40 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
So you are leaving unsubstantiated clues of something not related to your accusation, for us to make further assumptions based on that?
Do you see how bonkers that is? I really hope you do.
So again, can you show us which of these videos are staged? If you don't know just say so and we can assume you were doing the typical thing of trying to slander people and hope they don't ask for specifics.
You guessed in other words.
1) Where have I promoted electoral fraud? My stance is the same today as it was always, all accusations need to be explored.
2) Hunter Biden's laptop had photos of him, emails involving him and his business partners have confirmed it.
Now if you have Andy Ngo's laptop which shows staged videos and Andy Ngo's associates confirming it, I would happily accept that and not pretend it was a North Korean plot to plant false evidence.
So again, which videos are staged? Show me one. |
How is it not related? He protected a right wing group(for his own ends
The videos (full length edit) have been withdrawn from the media in reponse to the outcry.
As to promoting electoral fraud ... the endless posting of tweets and conservative press claiming such fruad is by it's nature promoting electoral fraud even to the stupid or disconnected.
Currently Rudy is being investigated to confirm or deny if the "facts" he promoted as on/from the laptop were in fact on the laptop let alone "true".
If I said Al Gores associates said that he spoke truthfully you would point out that " of course they would"... so where is your proof. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:59 - Nov 28 with 1392 views | DJack |
Ignoring the attempts to delect here is the latest on the attemp to steal the election...
Another State court case lost by Trump in a court where the judge is ... a Trump appointee.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Judge Bibas
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000176-0ae5-d692-a977-1effb4f90000 | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:11 - Nov 28 with 1387 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:56 - Nov 28 by DJack |
How is it not related? He protected a right wing group(for his own ends
The videos (full length edit) have been withdrawn from the media in reponse to the outcry.
As to promoting electoral fraud ... the endless posting of tweets and conservative press claiming such fruad is by it's nature promoting electoral fraud even to the stupid or disconnected.
Currently Rudy is being investigated to confirm or deny if the "facts" he promoted as on/from the laptop were in fact on the laptop let alone "true".
If I said Al Gores associates said that he spoke truthfully you would point out that " of course they would"... so where is your proof. |
- Well you said videos were staged? You haven't shown any evidence of staged videos. Your accusation was he stood by and didn't do anything while Patriot Prayer planned to attack a pub with ANTIFA in. That isn't staging videos. So again, which ones are staged?
- Not at all, that's your incorrect assertions again. I link to court cases and accusations made by legal teams as well as witnesses. I have always said these things need to be investigated and at no point have I said there is, or isn't widespread fraud. You are seeing what you want to see.
- I am currently investigating if I have won the lottery. What's your point?
- Would you also have his laptop which also has thousands of corroborating documents? Didn't think so.
So again, which videos are staged? [Post edited 28 Nov 2020 2:20]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:12 - Nov 28 with 1386 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:59 - Nov 28 by DJack |
Ignoring the attempts to delect here is the latest on the attemp to steal the election...
Another State court case lost by Trump in a court where the judge is ... a Trump appointee.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Judge Bibas
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000176-0ae5-d692-a977-1effb4f90000 |
So you are gleefully spreading misinformation until you get caught and are asked for specifics.
You then suddenly wish to change the subject....
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you DJack | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:20 - Nov 28 with 1378 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:12 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
So you are gleefully spreading misinformation until you get caught and are asked for specifics.
You then suddenly wish to change the subject....
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you DJack |
You have promted electoral fraud and apart from fckups you've provided nothing.
Ladies and gentle men I give you Dr_Parnassus. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:21 - Nov 28 with 1376 views | DJack |
Ignoring the attempts to delect here is the latest on the attemp to steal the election...
Another State court case lost by Trump in a court where the judge is ... a Trump appointee.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Judge Bibas
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000176-0ae5-d692-a977-1effb4f90000 | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:22 - Nov 28 with 1376 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:20 - Nov 28 by DJack |
You have promted electoral fraud and apart from fckups you've provided nothing.
Ladies and gentle men I give you Dr_Parnassus. |
Where have I promoted electoral fraud?
I have been clear in my thoughts from day 1, which continues to be consistent to this day.
Showing ANTIFA attacking the public isn't promoting violence, so neither would be showing the legal cases against it.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you DJack logic...  | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:24 - Nov 28 with 1375 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:21 - Nov 28 by DJack |
Ignoring the attempts to delect here is the latest on the attemp to steal the election...
Another State court case lost by Trump in a court where the judge is ... a Trump appointee.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Judge Bibas
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000176-0ae5-d692-a977-1effb4f90000 |
How do you manage to misspell that silly post twice?
The actual situation however is you are gleefully spreading misinformation until you get caught and are asked for specifics.
You then suddenly wish to change the subject....
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you DJack  | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:50 - Nov 28 with 1332 views | Gwyn737 |
$3m spent on Milwaukee recount that actually lost trump 125 votes.
Moderate Republicans must be having their faith chipped away at. It’s possible that the impact of all these losing lawsuits could cost them the House when the runoffs are completed in the new year. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:56 - Nov 28 with 1308 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:14 - Nov 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
I had a look, couldn’t see anything.
Guess specifics win the day again then. |
Well you can’t guess and be specific.
Pretty much sums things up, ta. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:56 - Nov 28 with 1253 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:50 - Nov 28 by Gwyn737 |
$3m spent on Milwaukee recount that actually lost trump 125 votes.
Moderate Republicans must be having their faith chipped away at. It’s possible that the impact of all these losing lawsuits could cost them the House when the runoffs are completed in the new year. |
A recount without Audit is a total waste of time, as you should realise. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:40 - Nov 28 with 1231 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Of course those with TDS didn't mention this court case.
Pennsylvania Judge Patricia A. McCullough ruled that the Pennsylvania preliminary ELECTION CERTIFICATION injunction was PROPERLY ISSUED and should be upheld. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:21 - Nov 28 with 1189 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:56 - Nov 28 by ItchySphincter |
Well you can’t guess and be specific.
Pretty much sums things up, ta. |
So he was accused as a guess?
That’s weird? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:26 - Nov 28 with 1186 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:50 - Nov 28 by Gwyn737 |
$3m spent on Milwaukee recount that actually lost trump 125 votes.
Moderate Republicans must be having their faith chipped away at. It’s possible that the impact of all these losing lawsuits could cost them the House when the runoffs are completed in the new year. |
Why?
Did the false hounding of Trump and Russia for years hurt the Democrats then?
I don’t think anybody has alleged any miscounting. Re-counts are to pick up counting errors. A lot of the vote cannot be physically recounted, it’s usually 20-30% of it.
When the audit was complete in Georgia and they found thousands of votes, the majority of which was for Trump, I didn’t see you stating what a great thing it was. So it’s odd that you take this position when they don’t find something.
There has been enough seen so far for extreme doubt to be cast on many regions. Again that’s down to the process and the way democrats pushed such an unprecedented technique that has proven to be untrustworthy and inaccurate. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:41 - Nov 28 with 1174 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:26 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why?
Did the false hounding of Trump and Russia for years hurt the Democrats then?
I don’t think anybody has alleged any miscounting. Re-counts are to pick up counting errors. A lot of the vote cannot be physically recounted, it’s usually 20-30% of it.
When the audit was complete in Georgia and they found thousands of votes, the majority of which was for Trump, I didn’t see you stating what a great thing it was. So it’s odd that you take this position when they don’t find something.
There has been enough seen so far for extreme doubt to be cast on many regions. Again that’s down to the process and the way democrats pushed such an unprecedented technique that has proven to be untrustworthy and inaccurate. |
I’ve been pretty clear that any strengthening of the process is a good thing.
There are so many ongoing lawsuits it’s not practicable for me to comment on every one so I’ll just continue to defer to my first sentence.
Democrats pushing the Russian didn’t (to my memory) result in democrats publicly calling for common sense. Nor did partisan news outlets or celeb backers - I see Tucker Carlson is choosing his words very carefully.
Do you give any credence to postal voting being increased by the pandemic and Trump playing silly
monkeys with the postal system?
I’d appreciate it if you didn’t say live voting is just as safe as we’re not going to agree on that. If someone offered me a postal vote now I’d take it in a heartbeat. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:54 - Nov 28 with 1167 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:41 - Nov 28 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve been pretty clear that any strengthening of the process is a good thing.
There are so many ongoing lawsuits it’s not practicable for me to comment on every one so I’ll just continue to defer to my first sentence.
Democrats pushing the Russian didn’t (to my memory) result in democrats publicly calling for common sense. Nor did partisan news outlets or celeb backers - I see Tucker Carlson is choosing his words very carefully.
Do you give any credence to postal voting being increased by the pandemic and Trump playing silly
monkeys with the postal system?
I’d appreciate it if you didn’t say live voting is just as safe as we’re not going to agree on that. If someone offered me a postal vote now I’d take it in a heartbeat. |
It doesn’t seem like it’s about practicality though. There were thousands of votes suddenly “found”, that’s shocking. Utterly shocking. Yet can’t remember you saying anything about it or how the mistrust was proven correct. Yet you would feel far more compelled to make comment should something not immediately find large errors. I think that’s a fair observation?
The Russian investigation and impeachment trials was the biggest political embarrassment and brazen falsehood in modern political history. Put it this way, the Democrats tried to hamper the President and by proxy, the country for years with fabricated evidence of which the trials found nothing. It was a hoax. But that was fine right? This particular process has been going on for barely a month which has already uncovered some big errors - and people are losing their minds. Just complete double standards and it’s embarrassing.
What do you mean do I give any credence to it? Postal voting had nothing to do with the pandemic, other than it being an excuse to force in a system that benefits them by giving the apathetic a ballot and using their mass media to sway them. Trump did not give them EXTRA funding to handle a voting system that was so flawed in concept and execution. I would also have withheld extra funding for a system I feel is fundamentally undemocratic, I don’t think that constitutes “playing silly buggers”.
Whether you would take a postal vote is irrelevant. Postal voting IS less reliable and accurate than in person voting, it isn’t something to agree on. It isn’t my opinion. I am stating a fact. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:57 - Nov 28 with 1164 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:54 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It doesn’t seem like it’s about practicality though. There were thousands of votes suddenly “found”, that’s shocking. Utterly shocking. Yet can’t remember you saying anything about it or how the mistrust was proven correct. Yet you would feel far more compelled to make comment should something not immediately find large errors. I think that’s a fair observation?
The Russian investigation and impeachment trials was the biggest political embarrassment and brazen falsehood in modern political history. Put it this way, the Democrats tried to hamper the President and by proxy, the country for years with fabricated evidence of which the trials found nothing. It was a hoax. But that was fine right? This particular process has been going on for barely a month which has already uncovered some big errors - and people are losing their minds. Just complete double standards and it’s embarrassing.
What do you mean do I give any credence to it? Postal voting had nothing to do with the pandemic, other than it being an excuse to force in a system that benefits them by giving the apathetic a ballot and using their mass media to sway them. Trump did not give them EXTRA funding to handle a voting system that was so flawed in concept and execution. I would also have withheld extra funding for a system I feel is fundamentally undemocratic, I don’t think that constitutes “playing silly buggers”.
Whether you would take a postal vote is irrelevant. Postal voting IS less reliable and accurate than in person voting, it isn’t something to agree on. It isn’t my opinion. I am stating a fact. |
I’m not going to get into postal voting as neither of us are going to budge.’
How many errors are acceptable in an election where 160m people vote? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:00 - Nov 28 with 1163 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:57 - Nov 28 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not going to get into postal voting as neither of us are going to budge.’
How many errors are acceptable in an election where 160m people vote? |
It’s not about budging, it’s about stating a fact. Again, this isn’t my opinion, it’s a factual statement.
I don’t think any errors such as “I forgot to upload a flash drive” is acceptable. Not one. Yet we got 3 in one State - that’s just what we know of. All in Trump territory. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:04 - Nov 28 with 1156 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:00 - Nov 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not about budging, it’s about stating a fact. Again, this isn’t my opinion, it’s a factual statement.
I don’t think any errors such as “I forgot to upload a flash drive” is acceptable. Not one. Yet we got 3 in one State - that’s just what we know of. All in Trump territory. |
I’m not arguing about the safety issue of types of voting - that’s a given.
I’m saying that postal voting increases voter numbers and strengthens democracy. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:08 - Nov 28 with 1152 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:04 - Nov 28 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not arguing about the safety issue of types of voting - that’s a given.
I’m saying that postal voting increases voter numbers and strengthens democracy. |
But it doesn’t.
Being able to vote by shouting out your window would increase it even more - but again it doesn’t increase democracy.
We are having a repeated discussion now for whatever reason you are wanting to.
Everyone who wants to vote and is entitled to vote - can. So they should conduct it in the safest and most democratic way - in person. Those that can’t for genuine reasons can request an absentee ballot.
If people don’t vote, then it means they couldn’t be bothered to. Those types of people should not shape an election because those types of people are the prime candidates to be swayed by mass media manipulation (of which I have never seen the like of before in terms of this election, it was shameless and sustained).
It’s simply giving the media more election power and becoming an unelected 4th branch of government. Those that want to vote already do. Those that have no interest will essentially be handing a blank ballot to the Democrat media to fill out.
That’s not democratic. [Post edited 28 Nov 2020 15:29]
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