| Stoke 20:54 - Aug 22 with 19919 views | Magic_Michu |
They are really in a mess... spending millions gambling on going straight back up and looking like relegation fodder at the moment. |  |
| |  |
| Stoke on 09:14 - Aug 23 with 1255 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Stoke on 09:10 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
They certainly cannot afford it. Their owner may be able to, but the football club most certainly cannot.
Sam Hammam made a similar pledge to Cardiff when his company Langston bankrolled their rise to the Championship. Turns out he nearly bankrupted them.
I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. |
<< I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. >>
Some boasted we would have one of the biggest budgets in the Championship! |  | | |
| Stoke on 09:23 - Aug 23 with 1224 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 09:14 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
<< I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. >>
Some boasted we would have one of the biggest budgets in the Championship! |
Meaning? |  |
| |
| Stoke on 09:23 - Aug 23 with 1223 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 09:14 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
<< I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. >>
Some boasted we would have one of the biggest budgets in the Championship! |
We do you dumb ass. |  |
| |
| Stoke on 09:24 - Aug 23 with 1211 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 23:44 - Aug 22 by Brynmill_Jack |
Whaa, he didn't wave to you? ####what a bstard!
I don't think the club showed him any respect in fairness either. |
WTF are you talking about little boy? Because we didn't spend the money at the time?
Fack Little Joey | |
| |
| Stoke on 09:27 - Aug 23 with 1200 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 05:24 - Aug 23 by Glyn1 |
In a mess?
The last time I looked they were just 6 points behind us with 42 matches to go, with some excellent players and a very good and experienced manager. I'll be delighted if we finish above them.
Seriously people, don't look at the table until after at least 10 games. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 5:26]
|
I'd say there are in a bit of a mess with their fans already calling for the managers head who'd built his team during pre season. | |
| |
| Stoke on 09:27 - Aug 23 with 1202 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 09:10 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
They certainly cannot afford it. Their owner may be able to, but the football club most certainly cannot.
Sam Hammam made a similar pledge to Cardiff when his company Langston bankrolled their rise to the Championship. Turns out he nearly bankrupted them.
I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. |
In the same way Man City can’t afford their spending?
If we were serious enough about Woods that we would have bought him if we’d got £8m for Clucas, but have to pull out when we only got £6m for him, even though it contributed to our bright young manager being ‘ill’ on deadline day, then we must have been shambollically run for a while.
What happens next season when the parachute payments reduce and our squad is already bare bones? Celina? McBurnie? |  | | |
| Stoke on 09:28 - Aug 23 with 1197 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 08:01 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
Correct, I haven't seen one poster on here as a matter of fact advocating spending what Stoke have. |
What??? You must be joking. | |
| |
| Stoke on 09:32 - Aug 23 with 1184 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 09:27 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
In the same way Man City can’t afford their spending?
If we were serious enough about Woods that we would have bought him if we’d got £8m for Clucas, but have to pull out when we only got £6m for him, even though it contributed to our bright young manager being ‘ill’ on deadline day, then we must have been shambollically run for a while.
What happens next season when the parachute payments reduce and our squad is already bare bones? Celina? McBurnie? |
Are you just blatantly making up the fact Potter wasn't ill? | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Stoke on 09:33 - Aug 23 with 1179 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 09:32 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
Are you just blatantly making up the fact Potter wasn't ill? |
You honestly believe he was? | | | |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 with 1166 views | Dr_Winston |
| Stoke on 09:33 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
You honestly believe he was? |
Why wouldn't he be? |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
| |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 with 1158 views | ItchySphincter |
There's been a lot of it about.... |  |
| |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 with 1155 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 09:27 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
In the same way Man City can’t afford their spending?
If we were serious enough about Woods that we would have bought him if we’d got £8m for Clucas, but have to pull out when we only got £6m for him, even though it contributed to our bright young manager being ‘ill’ on deadline day, then we must have been shambollically run for a while.
What happens next season when the parachute payments reduce and our squad is already bare bones? Celina? McBurnie? |
Well then if you liken their situation to Man City’s then it’s not a problem is it?
We would not have bought Woods given the situation, as it proved. Had we raised more from the sales maybe we would have. Thankfully we were pretty rigid in that. It’s nothing to do with being “shambolically run”, it’s to do with being extremely successful for a large and unnatural period of time and having to bear those costs. How do you know this led or “contributed” to our manager being ill? That sounds like hyperbole to me, or you just made it up.
Parachute payments don’t reduce next year by much. But when they do we would no doubt have got the rest of our Premier League earners off the books. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 9:42]
| |
| |
| Stoke on 09:43 - Aug 23 with 1145 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 09:33 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
You honestly believe he was? |
I don't believe the facking stupid conspiracy theory you've got in your head FFS.
You all need to remember Potter is a fledgling manager making his way in the game and has taken that big step up. He's managing a 60m budget, he's not going to be facking stropping around because a signing doesn't come off.
Come on mate, use your noggin. | |
| |
| Stoke on 09:45 - Aug 23 with 1138 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Well then if you liken their situation to Man City’s then it’s not a problem is it?
We would not have bought Woods given the situation, as it proved. Had we raised more from the sales maybe we would have. Thankfully we were pretty rigid in that. It’s nothing to do with being “shambolically run”, it’s to do with being extremely successful for a large and unnatural period of time and having to bear those costs. How do you know this led or “contributed” to our manager being ill? That sounds like hyperbole to me, or you just made it up.
Parachute payments don’t reduce next year by much. But when they do we would no doubt have got the rest of our Premier League earners off the books. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 9:42]
|
That's what they do on here. They read something someone said and they run away with it.
They can't spend two minutes analysing situations they just shout what the other guy said, but LOUDER. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:07 - Aug 23 with 1089 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Well then if you liken their situation to Man City’s then it’s not a problem is it?
We would not have bought Woods given the situation, as it proved. Had we raised more from the sales maybe we would have. Thankfully we were pretty rigid in that. It’s nothing to do with being “shambolically run”, it’s to do with being extremely successful for a large and unnatural period of time and having to bear those costs. How do you know this led or “contributed” to our manager being ill? That sounds like hyperbole to me, or you just made it up.
Parachute payments don’t reduce next year by much. But when they do we would no doubt have got the rest of our Premier League earners off the books. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 9:42]
|
Well no, it’s not a problem for Peter Coates, just as much as it’s not a problem for Sheikh Mansour. Neither club self generates the money they are spending, but both can afford it.
Nobody, as far as I can see, has suggested we spend like Stoke. They’ve gone through about £40m.
And let’s be honest, yes football is cyclical and we were never going to stay up for ever, but we didn’t go down because we had had a good run punching above our weight. We went down because Sanches, Mesa, Clucas, Tammy, Bony and Ayew were all massive let downs at best, complete catastrophes at worst, Clement was too rudimentary to build a team without the aerial and set piece threat he’d had the season before, we waited too long to sack him and then when Carlos did manage to turn it round, he shit himself and reverted to surrender ball. | | | |
| Stoke on 10:12 - Aug 23 with 1081 views | Dr_Winston |
| Stoke on 10:07 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
Well no, it’s not a problem for Peter Coates, just as much as it’s not a problem for Sheikh Mansour. Neither club self generates the money they are spending, but both can afford it.
Nobody, as far as I can see, has suggested we spend like Stoke. They’ve gone through about £40m.
And let’s be honest, yes football is cyclical and we were never going to stay up for ever, but we didn’t go down because we had had a good run punching above our weight. We went down because Sanches, Mesa, Clucas, Tammy, Bony and Ayew were all massive let downs at best, complete catastrophes at worst, Clement was too rudimentary to build a team without the aerial and set piece threat he’d had the season before, we waited too long to sack him and then when Carlos did manage to turn it round, he shit himself and reverted to surrender ball. |
That's a touch unfair on Carvalhal. He was doing just fine until Fer got injured. After that we had nothing else in midfield, which could have been less of an issue had Sanches not been the disaster he was.
As we've seen a couple of times this season, if your midfield doesn't work you can do little else but hang on and hope for a point. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
| |
| Stoke on 10:12 - Aug 23 with 1077 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:07 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
Well no, it’s not a problem for Peter Coates, just as much as it’s not a problem for Sheikh Mansour. Neither club self generates the money they are spending, but both can afford it.
Nobody, as far as I can see, has suggested we spend like Stoke. They’ve gone through about £40m.
And let’s be honest, yes football is cyclical and we were never going to stay up for ever, but we didn’t go down because we had had a good run punching above our weight. We went down because Sanches, Mesa, Clucas, Tammy, Bony and Ayew were all massive let downs at best, complete catastrophes at worst, Clement was too rudimentary to build a team without the aerial and set piece threat he’d had the season before, we waited too long to sack him and then when Carlos did manage to turn it round, he shit himself and reverted to surrender ball. |
As I said, amounts are irrelevant. It was clearly being suggested that the club were gambling their health on promotion. Something widely advocated on here.
You have since claimed that they are like Man City and their owners will absorb any risk. So not the problem it is wing painted as really.
Should we have spent like some wanted in here then the Stoke forum could however quite rightly have a thread on our reckless spending. Thankfully that isn’t the case as we have been very responsible with our clubs future. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:12 - Aug 23 with 1079 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 09:36 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Well then if you liken their situation to Man City’s then it’s not a problem is it?
We would not have bought Woods given the situation, as it proved. Had we raised more from the sales maybe we would have. Thankfully we were pretty rigid in that. It’s nothing to do with being “shambolically run”, it’s to do with being extremely successful for a large and unnatural period of time and having to bear those costs. How do you know this led or “contributed” to our manager being ill? That sounds like hyperbole to me, or you just made it up.
Parachute payments don’t reduce next year by much. But when they do we would no doubt have got the rest of our Premier League earners off the books. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 9:42]
|
I agree with the essence of what your saying, I'm sure a lot of my fellow fans would, but you can't help being slightly concerned about the transparency between the club ownership and manager. Potter's stock is reasonably high in Championship terms and surely he would have been sold a project to come here, but it doesn't feel as if its worked out quite right. Of course I am piecing together a lot of circumstantial evidence but we all are, whether you're a happy clappy for one side or another. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:14 - Aug 23 with 1067 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 09:45 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
That's what they do on here. They read something someone said and they run away with it.
They can't spend two minutes analysing situations they just shout what the other guy said, but LOUDER. |
I do sometimes wonder how much people actually believe of what they type, I am guessing a small fraction. Or at least perversely, I would hope it’s a small fraction. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:23 - Aug 23 with 1059 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 10:07 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
Well no, it’s not a problem for Peter Coates, just as much as it’s not a problem for Sheikh Mansour. Neither club self generates the money they are spending, but both can afford it.
Nobody, as far as I can see, has suggested we spend like Stoke. They’ve gone through about £40m.
And let’s be honest, yes football is cyclical and we were never going to stay up for ever, but we didn’t go down because we had had a good run punching above our weight. We went down because Sanches, Mesa, Clucas, Tammy, Bony and Ayew were all massive let downs at best, complete catastrophes at worst, Clement was too rudimentary to build a team without the aerial and set piece threat he’d had the season before, we waited too long to sack him and then when Carlos did manage to turn it round, he shit himself and reverted to surrender ball. |
It will be a big problem for Stoke next year when they fall foul of FFP | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:26 - Aug 23 with 1046 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 10:12 - Aug 23 by ItchySphincter |
I agree with the essence of what your saying, I'm sure a lot of my fellow fans would, but you can't help being slightly concerned about the transparency between the club ownership and manager. Potter's stock is reasonably high in Championship terms and surely he would have been sold a project to come here, but it doesn't feel as if its worked out quite right. Of course I am piecing together a lot of circumstantial evidence but we all are, whether you're a happy clappy for one side or another. |
I think Potter is over the moon. He knew exactly what the remit was and why we brought him and his team in.
And he's going about his job doing just that, working to his remit.
He's building and rebuilding at the same time and what he sees in front of him every week probably makes him feel very proud | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:28 - Aug 23 with 1046 views | thornabyswan |
| Stoke on 09:14 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
<< I would say I have seen dozens of people complain that we are not spending more money, money we clearly cannot afford to spend. So not sure how you haven’t seen anybody suggest we shouldn’t put our clubs financial position at risk for short term gains, because they quite clearly have. >>
Some boasted we would have one of the biggest budgets in the Championship! |
Championship clubs without parachute money have about 6 million per season in revenue from Sky.
Bony is on 100k a week reportedly over 5 million a year incredible really. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:29 - Aug 23 with 1043 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 10:14 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
I do sometimes wonder how much people actually believe of what they type, I am guessing a small fraction. Or at least perversely, I would hope it’s a small fraction. |
Again, I mostly agree, but you are no different when you have the bit between your teeth. You nail your colours to whichever mast you choose and won't be budged.
I'm not a fan of HJ or the Americans but I also think the 'get them out and to hell with consequences' is boIIocks - as far as we know we have no one else lined up to come in and I don't subscribe to the theory that anyone else would be better. I also don't believe they are beyond reproach either.
This is the place for all the opinions to come together, even if most of it is hyperbole and grandstanding, on both sides. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:31 - Aug 23 with 1034 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:29 - Aug 23 by ItchySphincter |
Again, I mostly agree, but you are no different when you have the bit between your teeth. You nail your colours to whichever mast you choose and won't be budged.
I'm not a fan of HJ or the Americans but I also think the 'get them out and to hell with consequences' is boIIocks - as far as we know we have no one else lined up to come in and I don't subscribe to the theory that anyone else would be better. I also don't believe they are beyond reproach either.
This is the place for all the opinions to come together, even if most of it is hyperbole and grandstanding, on both sides. |
I have never said anything on here I do not truly believe.
Ever. | |
| |
| Stoke on 10:39 - Aug 23 with 1005 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Like you f*cking know | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
