| Crossing 09:41 - Aug 31 with 2592 views | macthejack |
What's with this sudden obsession with crossing?
It must be a relic from the reign of Garry Monk because the Swans I remember never relied heavily on crossing. In our best spell we played with wingers who couldn't cross the f*cking road. We always used to work the ball into the box through clever passing and movement or a winger would get to the by-line after beating their man or having a ball slip inside by the full-back and cut it back in the box.
I think it points to the fact that our passing style has still deserted us if we're truly relying on whipping cross after cross into our target man in the hope he'll nod one in. We still desperately need to get back to the short, and most importantly QUICK passing game we had, using our striker as a lynch pin for others to buzz around not as a bruiser desperately trying to get on the end of terrible crosses with three defenders on his back. |  | | |  |
| Crossing on 09:43 - Aug 31 with 2576 views | therealme |
You're damn right the passing style has deserted us, its gone to pieces
And we have a big dude as a target man up front that can only score with his head
That's why |  |
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| Crossing on 09:51 - Aug 31 with 2546 views | jack247 |
It's because we signed a 6'5 and a 6'3 striker, along with the fact that Siggy is unfit, Routledge is bang out of form and neither Barrow or Montero are suited to the short, sharp passing game.
I'd love us to get back to that style of play, but we would need to sign a couple of players suited to it. |  | | |
| Crossing on 10:11 - Aug 31 with 2470 views | Jango |
It's not just about crossing, it's about getting the ball into the box, be it with a great cross or a clever ball into feet or to run onto, none of which our current wide players seem to be able to do. | | | |
| Crossing on 10:18 - Aug 31 with 2447 views | Legend83 |
I think with work and desire we can get back to the old style as Llorente definitely showed against Burnley he has the required touch and ability to lay-off - what we don't have currently is anyone close enough to him to get on the end of his one-touches.
Barrow and Montero are touch-line huggers so need to mix their game up a bit. Routledge and Dyer are the better proponents of the inside-wing play but are past their best and Siggy is woefully short of form.
I actually think someone like Valencia would be positive step as he is Ayew-like in that he can play wide but likes to come inside close to the striker. | | | |
| Crossing on 10:24 - Aug 31 with 2428 views | Private_Partz |
| Crossing on 10:18 - Aug 31 by Legend83 |
I think with work and desire we can get back to the old style as Llorente definitely showed against Burnley he has the required touch and ability to lay-off - what we don't have currently is anyone close enough to him to get on the end of his one-touches.
Barrow and Montero are touch-line huggers so need to mix their game up a bit. Routledge and Dyer are the better proponents of the inside-wing play but are past their best and Siggy is woefully short of form.
I actually think someone like Valencia would be positive step as he is Ayew-like in that he can play wide but likes to come inside close to the striker. |
Good post. Llorente was excellent at Burnley and it was his effort that led to the goal. Against Hull he was trying to lay the ball off with his back to goal and the players around him were not reading this. One of the problems in signing players on late on in the close season. It is far too early to dismiss this guy as a duffer. |  |
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| Crossing on 10:26 - Aug 31 with 2417 views | Highjack |
Crossing is more effective when you have more than one person in the box. It's no coincidence that the goals we have scored came when we were brave enough to get 3 or 4 people in there. Llorente as good as he is in the air has no to little chance when surrounded by 5 defenders. |  |
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| Crossing on 10:28 - Aug 31 with 2411 views | Legend83 |
| Crossing on 10:24 - Aug 31 by Private_Partz |
Good post. Llorente was excellent at Burnley and it was his effort that led to the goal. Against Hull he was trying to lay the ball off with his back to goal and the players around him were not reading this. One of the problems in signing players on late on in the close season. It is far too early to dismiss this guy as a duffer. |
Agreed.
Despite overwhelming past evidence to the contrary, so many fans expect the likes of Llorente et al to just fit in straight away forgetting that he has been in the squad for best part of 3 weeks. | | | |
| Crossing on 10:30 - Aug 31 with 2406 views | jack247 |
| Crossing on 10:26 - Aug 31 by Highjack |
Crossing is more effective when you have more than one person in the box. It's no coincidence that the goals we have scored came when we were brave enough to get 3 or 4 people in there. Llorente as good as he is in the air has no to little chance when surrounded by 5 defenders. |
Exactly. Defenders marking Gomis was a big factor in a few of Ayews goals. Still a bit sceptical about playing two strikers though | | | |
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| Crossing on 10:35 - Aug 31 with 2386 views | monmouth |
yeah, I read somewhere that we rely more on crossing than any other team now. If you buy a 6'5" (?) bloke who's scored around 60% of his goals with his nut, I suppose that's what you get.
I also read that we'd created more clear cut chances than any other team...so go figure. |  |
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| Crossing on 10:45 - Aug 31 with 2359 views | Clinton |
| Crossing on 10:35 - Aug 31 by monmouth |
yeah, I read somewhere that we rely more on crossing than any other team now. If you buy a 6'5" (?) bloke who's scored around 60% of his goals with his nut, I suppose that's what you get.
I also read that we'd created more clear cut chances than any other team...so go figure. |
Llorente has already missed a couple of sitters this season. Also a couple in pre-season. Hes not the lethal poacher Id hoped for.
Still time mind, all players take time to adjust to the Premier League.
BTW a lot of the really big money signings made by other teams will disappoint in the short run, I can see a lot of fans of other clubs wondering where the money went as they sit towards the bottom with a misfiring big money player strugging to adjust. |  |
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| Crossing on 10:52 - Aug 31 with 2335 views | Landore_Jack |
We desperately need a creative midfield player. |  |
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| Crossing on 12:22 - Aug 31 with 2238 views | JackFish |
| Crossing on 10:26 - Aug 31 by Highjack |
Crossing is more effective when you have more than one person in the box. It's no coincidence that the goals we have scored came when we were brave enough to get 3 or 4 people in there. Llorente as good as he is in the air has no to little chance when surrounded by 5 defenders. |
Exactly. |  | | |
| Crossing on 13:37 - Aug 31 with 2150 views | karnataka |
| Crossing on 10:26 - Aug 31 by Highjack |
Crossing is more effective when you have more than one person in the box. It's no coincidence that the goals we have scored came when we were brave enough to get 3 or 4 people in there. Llorente as good as he is in the air has no to little chance when surrounded by 5 defenders. |
So is that down to our coach's overcautious gameplan then? Players maybe under instruction not to desert their shape by venturing too far forward leaving us vulnerable to a quick counter?
Fer has already shown that he is capable of getting maybe 8-10 goals this season by getting into the box to help the target man out and I hope he does but others need to get in there and contribute as well. I really hope Borja lives up to expectations but will we see him and Llorente together giving opposition defenders more to think about? |  | | |
| Crossing on 13:46 - Aug 31 with 2127 views | jasper_T |
We used to use wide players who could play without the ball; making runs in between and behind defences to open up space and create chances. Intelligent movement off the ball was the biggest factor in our attacking success.
Now we're relying on wingers that can only play with the ball in Montero and Barrow. They wait on the touchline with the defence between them and goal, so there is a far greater onus on their ability to beat men one on one and put in crosses from out wide.
The wings aren;t the only areas we've lost that kind of ability, it's just the most obvious. | | | |
| Crossing on 14:02 - Aug 31 with 2098 views | karnataka |
| Crossing on 13:46 - Aug 31 by jasper_T |
We used to use wide players who could play without the ball; making runs in between and behind defences to open up space and create chances. Intelligent movement off the ball was the biggest factor in our attacking success.
Now we're relying on wingers that can only play with the ball in Montero and Barrow. They wait on the touchline with the defence between them and goal, so there is a far greater onus on their ability to beat men one on one and put in crosses from out wide.
The wings aren;t the only areas we've lost that kind of ability, it's just the most obvious. |
"We used to use wide players who could play without the ball; making runs in between and behind defences to open up space and create chances."
Weren't those players Routledge and Dyer? | | | |
| Crossing on 14:07 - Aug 31 with 2088 views | jack247 |
| Crossing on 14:02 - Aug 31 by karnataka |
"We used to use wide players who could play without the ball; making runs in between and behind defences to open up space and create chances."
Weren't those players Routledge and Dyer? |
This place would revolt if we started Routledge and Dyer 
But yes, Routledge, Dyer, Hernandez. None of them anywhere near prolific or good crossers. Played their part in a comparatively successful and entertaining team though. I guess there is more focus on the wingers without a Michu or a Bony | | | |
| Crossing on 14:13 - Aug 31 with 2079 views | giantstoneater |
| Crossing on 10:52 - Aug 31 by Landore_Jack |
We desperately need a creative midfield player. |
The shortest post on here but its what we need!!! |  | | |
| Crossing on 14:25 - Aug 31 with 2059 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
On a related point, has Guidolin ever given his thoughts on how we wants us to play since he arrived? Do we even know what he's aiming for? his style of play, tactics, formation, dare I say it...philosophy? Or has he just been told how we're going to play and he's just there to make a few subs and do the media?
Maybe the language issue means he never gets asked questions like that.
Monk (bless his cotton socks) often talked about his....way...of doing things , Laudrup talked a lot about how he wanted us to play, Rogers also. With Guidolin I can't recall anything apart from bland generalisms. It'd be welcome to have him do a detailed interview in italian for translation with his views on developing the team and tactics/style of play.
We seem a bit purposeless at times, lacking vision. Interested in whether that's Guidolin being sh*t or Guidolin being shackled by Huw & co. |  |
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| Crossing on 14:27 - Aug 31 with 2055 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Crossing on 09:51 - Aug 31 by jack247 |
It's because we signed a 6'5 and a 6'3 striker, along with the fact that Siggy is unfit, Routledge is bang out of form and neither Barrow or Montero are suited to the short, sharp passing game.
I'd love us to get back to that style of play, but we would need to sign a couple of players suited to it. |
Id argue the only players we have in our first 11 capable of playing that sort of game are Gylfi and maybe Routledge & Ki. None of the others are suitable imo |  |
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| Crossing on 14:31 - Aug 31 with 2048 views | Smellyplumz |
| Crossing on 14:25 - Aug 31 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
On a related point, has Guidolin ever given his thoughts on how we wants us to play since he arrived? Do we even know what he's aiming for? his style of play, tactics, formation, dare I say it...philosophy? Or has he just been told how we're going to play and he's just there to make a few subs and do the media?
Maybe the language issue means he never gets asked questions like that.
Monk (bless his cotton socks) often talked about his....way...of doing things , Laudrup talked a lot about how he wanted us to play, Rogers also. With Guidolin I can't recall anything apart from bland generalisms. It'd be welcome to have him do a detailed interview in italian for translation with his views on developing the team and tactics/style of play.
We seem a bit purposeless at times, lacking vision. Interested in whether that's Guidolin being sh*t or Guidolin being shackled by Huw & co. |
Good post and the same point I made in the match day thread on Saturday, what is he trying to get us to do because it's not vat attacking Italian football. |  |
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