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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 21:54 - Nov 8 by Davillin
This is hard to write.
I have seen that with some of my own animals.
For example, Lady, a lovely and sweet-tempered Whippet, used to nip the tip of my nose to show affection. When it was time for her to go, she reached up, nipped my nose, lay her head down, closed her eyes, and was gone.
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sorry to hear that Dav. I have lost 2 dogs myself and know how it feels.
i didn't actually mean that animals don't know when they're going to die - I think that they do and have seen it myself in animals as well. My point was (actually not really a point, just a recounting of something I'd heard / read - can't remember) that we are the only animal not that recognises when we are dying, but knows throughout our lives that we will one day die, even when we're in perfect health.
Also, again to clarify - I didn't say animals didn't have self awareness, I posited that their sense of self awareness is not similar to our own - they are not aware to the same extent.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 00:07 - Nov 9 with 1555 views
Theory.. those who believe.. do. Those who don't believe don't.. think about it for a second.
Plants die and regrow.. Sun, water, temperature keeps us all alive..
Plants produce oxygen (they breathe) they die (they don't breathe).. but they regrow themselves (they breathe).. the question is.. are they the same plant?
The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 00:25 - Nov 9 by Lord_Bony
Ok I know you think it s all a load of nonsense and that's fine...
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I was floating above people I can't expalin it and then I was on a life support machine for four days. I said as joke on here once that Jesus was only dead for three days and I got some nasty PMs.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 00:04 - Nov 9 by londonlisa2001
sorry to hear that Dav. I have lost 2 dogs myself and know how it feels.
i didn't actually mean that animals don't know when they're going to die - I think that they do and have seen it myself in animals as well. My point was (actually not really a point, just a recounting of something I'd heard / read - can't remember) that we are the only animal not that recognises when we are dying, but knows throughout our lives that we will one day die, even when we're in perfect health.
Also, again to clarify - I didn't say animals didn't have self awareness, I posited that their sense of self awareness is not similar to our own - they are not aware to the same extent.
I think you're correct for the most part.
They are self-aware, but I can't venture an opinion how theirs compares with ours.
We certainly are not born with self-awareness, and must be taught about death before we can be taught the inevitability of our own. This is serious, but I wonder whether if we could communicate with them on that level they could learn about death and the inevitability of theirs, as well. I have a high opinion of their intelligence and ability to learn somewhat abstract things.
We need a thread on animal intelligence and our experiences with it.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 00:38 - Nov 9 by Darran
I was floating above people I can't expalin it and then I was on a life support machine for four days. I said as joke on here once that Jesus was only dead for three days and I got some nasty PMs.
Lazarus (taps nose)
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 10:00 - Nov 9 with 1414 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 19:51 - Nov 8 by Brynmill_Jack
How so?
Well just look at all the illnesses that cause loved one`s to suffer and die, all the Natural disasters that cause pain and misery to millions, Children raped and murdered the list is endless, now it is feasibly possibly that all these worshipper`s are going to have a big shock when as they believe once they die they will meet there creator for once it gets it`s hands on them there fcuked, maybe the more realistic outcome of there being nothing once you die is a far better outcome.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 12:24 - Nov 9 with 1359 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 11:51 - Nov 9 by shingle
Well just look at all the illnesses that cause loved one`s to suffer and die, all the Natural disasters that cause pain and misery to millions, Children raped and murdered the list is endless, now it is feasibly possibly that all these worshipper`s are going to have a big shock when as they believe once they die they will meet there creator for once it gets it`s hands on them there fcuked, maybe the more realistic outcome of there being nothing once you die is a far better outcome.
Most of mankind's suffering is inflicted by mankind. God gave us free will and people will do as they want to. The whole point is we've been given a set of instructions to lead us to a happier life, as individuals we bear the responsibility for our own actions. I mean if we really did care for our neighbour, each and every one of us, the world would be an infinitely better place. If owners of large global concerns gave up the worship of money the world would be a much better place. If governments didn't pursue illegal wars over greed concerning out her countries wealth the world would be a better place. Our natural resources, the way were killing our own habitat etc etc Disease - we have it in our capabilities to wipe out most of them but we're charging a fortune for medicines to keep the shareholders happy......
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 18:48 - Nov 9 with 1311 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 13:09 - Nov 9 by Brynmill_Jack
Most of mankind's suffering is inflicted by mankind. God gave us free will and people will do as they want to. The whole point is we've been given a set of instructions to lead us to a happier life, as individuals we bear the responsibility for our own actions. I mean if we really did care for our neighbour, each and every one of us, the world would be an infinitely better place. If owners of large global concerns gave up the worship of money the world would be a much better place. If governments didn't pursue illegal wars over greed concerning out her countries wealth the world would be a better place. Our natural resources, the way were killing our own habitat etc etc Disease - we have it in our capabilities to wipe out most of them but we're charging a fortune for medicines to keep the shareholders happy......
First of all who told you God give us freewill let`s see your evidence for that one and i`d put Religion number one in the worlds problem list way above the reasons you have given though i do not disagree with your greed comments etc, a world without Religion and Dictators would be a far better place.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 19:48 - Nov 9 with 1301 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 13:09 - Nov 9 by Brynmill_Jack
Most of mankind's suffering is inflicted by mankind. God gave us free will and people will do as they want to. The whole point is we've been given a set of instructions to lead us to a happier life, as individuals we bear the responsibility for our own actions. I mean if we really did care for our neighbour, each and every one of us, the world would be an infinitely better place. If owners of large global concerns gave up the worship of money the world would be a much better place. If governments didn't pursue illegal wars over greed concerning out her countries wealth the world would be a better place. Our natural resources, the way were killing our own habitat etc etc Disease - we have it in our capabilities to wipe out most of them but we're charging a fortune for medicines to keep the shareholders happy......
he has it it all ways doesn't he - all powerful, able to stop suffering if he gave a rat's arse but hey, it's our fault you know. Ha, how f*cking stupid do you have to be to believe that stuff
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 20:07 - Nov 9 with 1292 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 19:48 - Nov 9 by jackb
he has it it all ways doesn't he - all powerful, able to stop suffering if he gave a rat's arse but hey, it's our fault you know. Ha, how f*cking stupid do you have to be to believe that stuff
I do not think it`s that believer`s are stupid as there are some very influential and clever people who believe in such nonsense, i truly believe the reason is fear and being unable to accept the harsh reality of what happens to them after death.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 01:08 - Nov 10 with 1251 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 01:25 - Nov 8 by DJack
Firstly, Oh dear what a car crash.
I did not state, as well you know, that the debate "life after death" is a get out of jail card. I questioned the following STATEMENT from you " we must both have the same understanding of the word "life" which you referred to again and here we both know there is no "proper answer". As to establishing what life is , we don't need to as ENTROPY tells us what death is.
HAHA Opinion on death...and moving on to probability we both know that we don't need to " have all the information" to give probability as that is part of the answer.
Narrow paradigm , guff, a different way of viewing..blah,blah, blah just words and no FACTS.
Bluster... I just called your bluster and stated the most up to date quantifiable facts and just because you are "looking at it from a different level" doesn't mean that your not talking a load of rubbish.
Yes, the energy in "our system" is a constant but there is NOTHING to state that this causes the perpetual or recurrent life that you speak of. Nowhere is the statement (except in your world) that energy=life.
To use the infinite possibilities postulation to justify your argument is disingenuous (spelling - auto-correct). You implied a life after death and argued it's case then used the "grain of sand" bullshit argument. If that's the best you can do with a bloke that is rat-arsed then I suggest you give up.
Sorry, didn't see this. You seem to completely not grasp this at all, i will attempt to further unravel the mystery.
We are trying to muse the possibilities of life after death, correct? If we are to muse on the same level which can give way to a debate then we must have the same views on what life and death is. Thats simple. Whether there is a definitive answer or not is irrelevant, but we need to agree on that first and foremost otherwise the discussion is pointless.
Probability - yes, you need all the information to give an accurate probability. Its like me saying the chances are there wont be any life found outside of earth - yet having absolutely no idea how much matter there is outside of earth. The probability will be a false one as its based on what humans know, and what humans know is miniscule.
Yes narrow paradigm, yes a different way of viewing. No facts? Guff. Who in their right mind asks for facts in a fact less debate. If there were facts regarding it then we wouldn't have to hypothesise now would we, we would know. My narrow paradigm accusation was due to your narrow perspective - asking for facts is one such thing. A fact is information humans know, you seem to have the standing that what we know is a scale of acceptance - yet any sane man would know that what humans do know is about 0.0000000000000000000000000000001 of the information TO know.
Yes im fully aware no human has stated that energy equals perpetual life. Im also fully aware no human has seen life outside of the Earth, im fully aware no human has created something to travel outside our galaxy - does this mean that as a result it is not possible? Its amazing you put complete faith in something so limited. The knowledge out there to gain in comparison to what we have and your complete reliance on it is akin to me talking to a 3 year old and assuming that what he knows is all there is to know and nothing else is correct. This is what i mean by narrow paradigm.
As for your final paragraph again it shows a complete lack of understanding as to what is being said, rat arsed is not an excuse I'm afraid. How on earth is infinite possibilities disingenuous? Unless we have complete knowledge of our universe then there is, by definition, an infinite amount of possibilities for anything, not just life after death.
So to sum it up - you are basing your opinion, and the rubbishing of others, on what humans know. I refer you to my analogy of humans knowing 1 grain of sand in a universe full of the stuff is quite apt. So to base your thesis, or the dismissal of another, on that grain of sand worth of knowledge refusing to believe there will be anything outside of that knowledge is unfathomably stupid.
Quite why you have decided to post here without an opinion of your own or indeed a valid counter of someone elses is somewhat odd. If you wish to make a counter then by all means do so but you are making hash after hash of it and even then attempting to defend such stupidity as Davillin eloquently referred to. Just odd.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 20:07 - Nov 9 by shingle
I do not think it`s that believer`s are stupid as there are some very influential and clever people who believe in such nonsense, i truly believe the reason is fear and being unable to accept the harsh reality of what happens to them after death.
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I think you ll find that most people who believe there is life after death have absolutely no fear of death being the absolute end of everything...why would they? I certainly don t on the contrary ,hopefully I ve got a long way to go yet but when the time comes I d be quite comfortable with it..
If I held the belief that we re born we live then die then oblivion I think I would be very worried about a lot of things...to have that kind of belief I think is sad really...
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