| is it time for pragmatism? 11:28 - Nov 2 with 2049 views | basilrobbiereborn |
We were discussing this on the train yesterday - on the way up, I should add, when hope still sprang eternal in the collective breast.
My point was that I think the crux of our problem is that a lot of our midfield players are much of a muchness, and unfortunately are neither protecting the back four nor creating anything for the front players.
Is it time to play in a way that bypasses them altogether? Play a back four screened by Perkins and Cubero (when fit) and get the ball forward quickly to two /three forwards ?
It might offend the purists among us (including me), but would it work better than what we have now? Some of our best, and most stirring efforts this season have come when we've been two down and have resorted to more direct tactics. |  |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 11:55 - Nov 2 with 2025 views | Tejas |
I think that would work in the short term, hated long ball tactics though it would be, we need something quickly to get us out of theis mess. I've not seen Cubero play so can't comment on his ability to play such a role, in theory we have the forwards!
Long term, it would mask the real issue (IMO), which is the team doesn't appear to have a heart. That is, 3 or 4 player that pull everyone else together. We've almost always had that in the past and until we get that stability in the squad is just a distant dream.
Lee Clark needs to be given time to build that heart and after yesterday's woeful performance he doesn't have much of a starting point. The fact (and the amount) we missed Perkins was a testiment to work that will need to be done, and we are desperately running out of time to do it. | | | |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 12:47 - Nov 2 with 1981 views | Wizaard |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 11:55 - Nov 2 by Tejas |
I think that would work in the short term, hated long ball tactics though it would be, we need something quickly to get us out of theis mess. I've not seen Cubero play so can't comment on his ability to play such a role, in theory we have the forwards!
Long term, it would mask the real issue (IMO), which is the team doesn't appear to have a heart. That is, 3 or 4 player that pull everyone else together. We've almost always had that in the past and until we get that stability in the squad is just a distant dream.
Lee Clark needs to be given time to build that heart and after yesterday's woeful performance he doesn't have much of a starting point. The fact (and the amount) we missed Perkins was a testiment to work that will need to be done, and we are desperately running out of time to do it. |
Oyston needs to show he's backing Clark by allowing him to get in a midfield to both cover the back four and allow the forwards to prosper with some decent service.
I'd sooner we resolved the issue of midfield rather than bypass it. If we have any hope of staying up, then we need to get in decent players in there now. Clark's past record shows he has the contacts to bring in decent loan players. It's an absolute must right now.
For what it's worth, I think we'll see those purse strings loosened to allow that to happen, if only to show us all that Riga wasn't the man for us. |  | | |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 14:21 - Nov 2 with 1924 views | Tang67 |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 12:47 - Nov 2 by Wizaard |
Oyston needs to show he's backing Clark by allowing him to get in a midfield to both cover the back four and allow the forwards to prosper with some decent service.
I'd sooner we resolved the issue of midfield rather than bypass it. If we have any hope of staying up, then we need to get in decent players in there now. Clark's past record shows he has the contacts to bring in decent loan players. It's an absolute must right now.
For what it's worth, I think we'll see those purse strings loosened to allow that to happen, if only to show us all that Riga wasn't the man for us. |
Those tactics smack of desperation but I think that is where we are at and you are right its getting points that is important rather than debating the quality of football played
Saying that we were devoid of any quality yesterday
KO has am opportunity to try and build some semblance of a relationship with the support by really backing Clarke
Something needs to change quickly or else er will be out of view come Xmas | |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 14:33 - Nov 2 with 1904 views | Curryman |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 14:21 - Nov 2 by Tang67 |
Those tactics smack of desperation but I think that is where we are at and you are right its getting points that is important rather than debating the quality of football played
Saying that we were devoid of any quality yesterday
KO has am opportunity to try and build some semblance of a relationship with the support by really backing Clarke
Something needs to change quickly or else er will be out of view come Xmas |
I agree with a lot that other posters have said, we are indeed in desperate times, and desperate actions are needed. I would, at present prefer to be bored stiff watching the kind of stuff served up at the beginning of last season and take the points than watch flowing football with the end result being nil points.
Incidently, if Lee Clark does manage to prevent the fat lady from singing, will we be in this same position again next season, or will we have a new start? [Post edited 2 Nov 2014 14:35]
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 14:50 - Nov 2 with 1884 views | terminallytangerine |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 14:33 - Nov 2 by Curryman |
I agree with a lot that other posters have said, we are indeed in desperate times, and desperate actions are needed. I would, at present prefer to be bored stiff watching the kind of stuff served up at the beginning of last season and take the points than watch flowing football with the end result being nil points.
Incidently, if Lee Clark does manage to prevent the fat lady from singing, will we be in this same position again next season, or will we have a new start? [Post edited 2 Nov 2014 14:35]
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I can't help feeling that KO got his get out of jail free card at the end of last season when we looked like we were going down but sadly failed to capitalise with a speedy appointment and/or the required level of investment for us to start the season with any confidence.
One thing about the Clark appointment is that at least we appointed a Riga replacement almost immediately and while the jury is still out on whether he can deliver backing now could still save our skin (though every passing game makes it more difficult).
It is in all our interests for Clark to be successful no matter how bitter people feel: league 1 is a slough of despond it could take us years to climb out of. [Post edited 2 Nov 2014 15:12]
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 17:37 - Nov 2 with 1807 views | Plumbs |
'Long ball?' Doesn't work in this division
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 21:07 - Nov 2 with 1744 views | Thames |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 17:37 - Nov 2 by Plumbs |
'Long ball?' Doesn't work in this division
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Well I guess we have just seen the outcome of that tactic - shocking.
If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed Riga's plan B in many games, especially at home was take of midfielders and bring on the big strikers for the last 15-20 mins in an attempt to force a goal after keeping things tight for most of the game.
It didn't really work for him so not sure why 90 minutes of it would be seen as acceptable.
Clark's high intensity training sessions appear to be designed to get the players running around like headless chickens. Unfortunately think a headless chicken may offer more than Lundstram | | | |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:40 - Nov 2 with 1707 views | tangerinedom |
TBH BRB - I thought that was the tactic for most of this season  | | | |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:44 - Nov 2 with 1702 views | TwelveAngryMen |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:40 - Nov 2 by tangerinedom |
TBH BRB - I thought that was the tactic for most of this season |
Robbie I've still got my Charles Hughes coaching manual in the loft
Could come in useful |  |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:47 - Nov 2 with 1693 views | basilrobbiereborn |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:44 - Nov 2 by TwelveAngryMen |
Robbie I've still got my Charles Hughes coaching manual in the loft
Could come in useful |
I've got that 4-2-4 board game somewhere as well. Good point TAM. | |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 01:05 - Nov 3 with 1644 views | bottle |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 22:47 - Nov 2 by basilrobbiereborn |
I've got that 4-2-4 board game somewhere as well. Good point TAM. |
We have more chance with petula Clarke in place than lee Clark! Give it up guys we are stuffed big time! If anyone thinks Mr Nile shrugs his shoulders ranger is the key then God bless your blind optimism - zoko has more about him than Miller and ranger put together - God bless his division 3 heart - Saturday was woeful devoid of ideas and bizarre in team selection - dunne useless, McMahon midfield? Come on! Joan in midfield? Did he mix the twins up? Amazing really,the only good thing was Mr Clark's unintentional big fat Sam impression! |  | | |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 08:43 - Nov 3 with 1606 views | Lala |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 01:05 - Nov 3 by bottle |
We have more chance with petula Clarke in place than lee Clark! Give it up guys we are stuffed big time! If anyone thinks Mr Nile shrugs his shoulders ranger is the key then God bless your blind optimism - zoko has more about him than Miller and ranger put together - God bless his division 3 heart - Saturday was woeful devoid of ideas and bizarre in team selection - dunne useless, McMahon midfield? Come on! Joan in midfield? Did he mix the twins up? Amazing really,the only good thing was Mr Clark's unintentional big fat Sam impression! |
'I'd sooner we resolved the issue of midfield rather than bypass it. '
Agree with that Wiz. Radio reporting this morning that Clark could be bringing new players in before Wednesdays match, let's hope so. |  |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 09:29 - Nov 3 with 1581 views | basilrobbiereborn |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 08:43 - Nov 3 by Lala |
'I'd sooner we resolved the issue of midfield rather than bypass it. '
Agree with that Wiz. Radio reporting this morning that Clark could be bringing new players in before Wednesdays match, let's hope so. |
In the longer term, I also agree that we need to resolve the issue properly.
But the use of the word pragmatism was deliberate - I feel we might need to put a plaster on the wound to stop it bleeding for the immediate short term. January is probably the time for something more ambitious. | |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 09:41 - Nov 3 with 1571 views | Lala |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 09:29 - Nov 3 by basilrobbiereborn |
In the longer term, I also agree that we need to resolve the issue properly.
But the use of the word pragmatism was deliberate - I feel we might need to put a plaster on the wound to stop it bleeding for the immediate short term. January is probably the time for something more ambitious. |
I think you're probably right with the January timescale Robbie for a long term fix. | |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 13:11 - Nov 3 with 1526 views | straightatthewall |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 09:41 - Nov 3 by Lala |
I think you're probably right with the January timescale Robbie for a long term fix. |
I think it says a lot that hoofing it - which is really what we're talking about - is considered our only realistic chance of changing things. From a 'getting results' perspective, I'd have to say that yes, it's a 'chance' worth taking. From every other perspective, I think it's retrograde step that won't do much good.
As an aside to this, let me tell you a true story. An old friend of mine from Uni is now a Pool fan along with his son. He's from Nottingham and the reason he supports us dates back to watching one of Ollie's sides take Forest to pieces with brilliant attacking football. It captured his lad's imagination to the extent that last season he was a mascot at a home game.
There's a lot to be said for results. Especially right now. But there's a lot to be said for how you try and get them too.
That said, frankly I think it's all a mute point at present. The club is in dissaray and will be for a while. I just cannot see those 4-5 players we need coming in all of them being of the required quality. |  |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 13:28 - Nov 3 with 1509 views | Lytham_FY8 |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 09:29 - Nov 3 by basilrobbiereborn |
In the longer term, I also agree that we need to resolve the issue properly.
But the use of the word pragmatism was deliberate - I feel we might need to put a plaster on the wound to stop it bleeding for the immediate short term. January is probably the time for something more ambitious. |
Not going to happen though is it?
We simply won't bring any quality in at all and clinging to this hope is ludicrous. |  |
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| is it time for pragmatism? on 19:31 - Nov 3 with 1460 views | BOYBILLY |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 13:28 - Nov 3 by Lytham_FY8 |
Not going to happen though is it?
We simply won't bring any quality in at all and clinging to this hope is ludicrous. |
yep hanging onto this notion we will bring in quality is ludicrous but we have some strange people who follow the mighty | | | |
| is it time for pragmatism? on 19:51 - Nov 3 with 1449 views | stu |
who was the last quality player we brought in on loan. Seamus? Gosling? Blackett (shite for us) |  |
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