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Under new Scottish sentencing guidelines as long as you’re under 25 you can commit rape upon a 13 year old child in a park and still be free to walk the streets as “rehabilitation should be the primary consideration.”
Am I reading this right? What in the sacred name of Desperate Dans hairy nipples are the SNP playing at up there???
Is there a single person on here who can try to defend this? The floor is yours.
The BBC news article goes in to detail about why the defendants appeal was successful and the conviction overturned which is a different issue to the Scottish sentencing guideline you’ve highlighted.
I totally understand the reason why the appeal was upheld, rape is a very very difficult offence to prove and it’s frequently a case of nice word against the other.
In terms of the sentencing guidelines, I genuinely believe the emphasis should be on rehabilitation, education etc because once a kid/youngster has been inside it makes it so much more difficult for them to lead a productive life, BUT there has to be limits on how far the guidance should apply. I don’t think rape is an offence which should be punishable by a community based sentence nor do I believe that the persistent young offenders should be punished with community based sentences. There comes a time when porridge at HMP’s pleasure is the Eder of the day.
My personal belief is that the SNP got this wrong.
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SNP - Tough justice on 00:42 - Oct 12 with 2126 views
SNP - Tough justice on 20:36 - Oct 11 by majorraglan
The BBC news article goes in to detail about why the defendants appeal was successful and the conviction overturned which is a different issue to the Scottish sentencing guideline you’ve highlighted.
I totally understand the reason why the appeal was upheld, rape is a very very difficult offence to prove and it’s frequently a case of nice word against the other.
In terms of the sentencing guidelines, I genuinely believe the emphasis should be on rehabilitation, education etc because once a kid/youngster has been inside it makes it so much more difficult for them to lead a productive life, BUT there has to be limits on how far the guidance should apply. I don’t think rape is an offence which should be punishable by a community based sentence nor do I believe that the persistent young offenders should be punished with community based sentences. There comes a time when porridge at HMP’s pleasure is the Eder of the day.
My personal belief is that the SNP got this wrong.
Rehabilitation is fine for minor offences, sometimes good kids get themselves involved in gangs or get caught up in the wrong place at wrong time. That can be fixed. But the rape of a child is an incredibly serious crime and people should be removed from society as they are a clear and present danger to it.
Also there’s never as much money and effort spent on the victims of crime who are often just left to fend for themselves. What message is this sending to other rape victims? They’re not going to bother coming forward to report it. It might even spur on other would be rapists as long as they’re under 25 they can pretty much do what they want.
Rehabilitation is fine for minor offences, sometimes good kids get themselves involved in gangs or get caught up in the wrong place at wrong time. That can be fixed. But the rape of a child is an incredibly serious crime and people should be removed from society as they are a clear and present danger to it.
Also there’s never as much money and effort spent on the victims of crime who are often just left to fend for themselves. What message is this sending to other rape victims? They’re not going to bother coming forward to report it. It might even spur on other would be rapists as long as they’re under 25 they can pretty much do what they want.
There is no defence ,no justification ,no reason for child rape . None. It is a choice .
Rehabilitation is fine for minor offences, sometimes good kids get themselves involved in gangs or get caught up in the wrong place at wrong time. That can be fixed. But the rape of a child is an incredibly serious crime and people should be removed from society as they are a clear and present danger to it.
Also there’s never as much money and effort spent on the victims of crime who are often just left to fend for themselves. What message is this sending to other rape victims? They’re not going to bother coming forward to report it. It might even spur on other would be rapists as long as they’re under 25 they can pretty much do what they want.
I’m not arguing with you, it’s pretty much what I’ve said.
A SNP minister admits it was his children playing on his Government issue IPAD . Apparently cost nearly £11,000 to watch Rangers V Celtic. What worries me why was this device not password protected or did he give his password to his Children.
A SNP minister admits it was his children playing on his Government issue IPAD . Apparently cost nearly £11,000 to watch Rangers V Celtic. What worries me why was this device not password protected or did he give his password to his Children.
Well it's off topic but...didn't he first claim it was all work related costs and get the tax payer to cover the cost?
In which case his admission includes fraud whilst in public office. Has he resigned? Not that he should be allowed to, he should be sacked for gross misconduct and lose all pension rights.
His speech where he admits this says it was to protect his kids, the best way to do that was to admit the truth at the start and pay the bill. They wouldn't need protecting if he hadn't lied. Obviously he sees no reason to quit.
I hope the ruling party up there do the decent thing and sack him.
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SNP - Tough justice on 18:56 - Nov 16 with 1613 views
Most judges are nonces that's why,but if your a drug dealer giving people what they want you go jail,but if you giving an innocent child something they dint want you can walk the streets,well if it was my child anything happened believe me they wouldn't be walking streets..
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SNP - Tough justice on 20:03 - Nov 16 with 1585 views
Apart from the obvious way to rack up a bill for £ 11k , can a laptop generate that amount of debt for only work related issues and watching a football match on a dodgy stream .
My contract of £9 per month give me as much info as I need , albiet not used in my job .
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SNP - Tough justice on 22:34 - Nov 16 with 1525 views
A SNP minister admits it was his children playing on his Government issue IPAD . Apparently cost nearly £11,000 to watch Rangers V Celtic. What worries me why was this device not password protected or did he give his password to his Children.
No he hasn’t, you’ve got the facts wrong again.
He’s said that the kids didn’t use the iPad only that they were allowed to use a hotspot that had been created on the iPad. There’s no suggestion the device was not password protected or that he gave them the password. FWIW I think there are still a few issues to come out in the wash and I’m very surprised he is still in a job. I’d have sacked him if he hadn’t resigned.
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SNP - Tough justice on 22:57 - Nov 16 with 1514 views
Apart from the obvious way to rack up a bill for £ 11k , can a laptop generate that amount of debt for only work related issues and watching a football match on a dodgy stream .
My contract of £9 per month give me as much info as I need , albiet not used in my job .
Streaming a football match will typical use up about 500 - 600mb. I’m not sure how much his network would charge, but 3 charge £6 per mb so watching a game is between £3,000 and £3,600.
My provider Plusnet still includes free roaming as part of my package, but they are closing down part of their network and encouraging customers to switch to their parent company EE who don’t offer free roaming and who are more expensive, so I’m on the lookout for a new provider.
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SNP - Tough justice on 00:01 - Nov 17 with 1507 views
SNP - Tough justice on 22:57 - Nov 16 by majorraglan
Streaming a football match will typical use up about 500 - 600mb. I’m not sure how much his network would charge, but 3 charge £6 per mb so watching a game is between £3,000 and £3,600.
My provider Plusnet still includes free roaming as part of my package, but they are closing down part of their network and encouraging customers to switch to their parent company EE who don’t offer free roaming and who are more expensive, so I’m on the lookout for a new provider.
Wow , 3 to 6 grand to watch a Football match online , cheaper to send his children back to Scotland on a private flight and watch the game live , really glad I am too old and so far out of date with technology . AI next , that should be a can of worms .
First reaction to this alleged report was another Minister , whatever party , do not care , on the expenses racket and freebies , public purse will pay for it .
It might be proven it was all legit and above board , that Axminster looks a bit uneven .
More distrust I have of any Politician sadly .
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SNP - Tough justice on 06:28 - Nov 17 with 1481 views
SNP - Tough justice on 22:57 - Nov 16 by majorraglan
Streaming a football match will typical use up about 500 - 600mb. I’m not sure how much his network would charge, but 3 charge £6 per mb so watching a game is between £3,000 and £3,600.
My provider Plusnet still includes free roaming as part of my package, but they are closing down part of their network and encouraging customers to switch to their parent company EE who don’t offer free roaming and who are more expensive, so I’m on the lookout for a new provider.
Im no expert, but are you sure that is right.
On average, the cost for one gigabyte (1GB) of mobile internet in Morocco stood at 0.69 U.S. dollars as of 2022. While the cheapest price an individual could pay to obtain 1GB of mobile data in the country was 0.44 U.S. dollars, the most expensive amount was 2.39 U.S. dollars.
SNP - Tough justice on 06:28 - Nov 17 by Whiterockin
Im no expert, but are you sure that is right.
On average, the cost for one gigabyte (1GB) of mobile internet in Morocco stood at 0.69 U.S. dollars as of 2022. While the cheapest price an individual could pay to obtain 1GB of mobile data in the country was 0.44 U.S. dollars, the most expensive amount was 2.39 U.S. dollars.
I’ve used the figures provided by the 3 network, I appreciate that the SNP guy was using another network, but the charges are generally much of a muchness.
I believe the figures you’re quoting refer to data prices as a domestic customer, the SNP guy was abroad and therefore not a domestic customer it appears that he didn’t have a roaming package which is why the costs were extortionate. There’ve been numerous examples of people being stung like this abroad before.
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SNP - Tough justice on 10:00 - Nov 17 with 1424 views
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