| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea 11:10 - Apr 27 with 3907 views | SwansIndependent |
 The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea 27th Apr 2023 11:08Swansea City are fast approaching a dilemma, and it’s one which they cannot really be blamed for overall. The signatures of two key players have been mentioned on more than one occasion this season, one is Ryan Manning and the other is Joel Piroe. Now, there was a time when annual figures compared Europe's biggest clubs, in terms of their match day revenue, broadcast rights and commercial sources.  0
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:09 - Apr 27 with 3347 views | Mad_Mike |
Let Manning go and replace him with Ogbeta.
Let Piroe run his contract down and hope he scores 20+ goals next season. | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:46 - Apr 27 with 3259 views | Dr_Winston |
Good piece which will hopefully inject a bit of realism into proceedings. It's easy for a lot of people to demand that Martin be "backed" (as if sticking by him during the horrors of November to March wasn't the dictionary definition of that), but few truly understand the kind of expense involved in running a Championship football club.
The number of people I've seen basically demanding that Manning's every request be met regardless of how we would pay for them or even if it would meet the existing wage structure beggars belief.
Supporters of a club which has nearly gone to the wall twice courtesy of reckless overspending really should be better than that. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:48 - Apr 27 with 3260 views | angryjack |
One the reasons I not renewing they give f@ck all back.. | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 13:07 - Apr 27 with 3229 views | RichardO |
Offer Piroe a one year extension with a better contract so he can develop more as the team improves with a chance of going up and if we do not go up he develops and we are able to get a fair return for his development
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Let his contract run down with a chance of going up and he gets he gets guaranteed Premiership football either with or without us and we run the risk of no return for his development.
Or
Sell him now and hinder our chances of a Premiership return pay day.
As for Manning if he won't sign a new contract do we have anybody at the club who we can develop whether it be returned loanees, up and coming youth products or will we have to dig open the clubs coffers, is it cheaper to let him go or have new blood in the team.
We must remember we need to enhance the present squad to add the quality full backs and wingers we need who are able to hit the ground running at this level. | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 13:27 - Apr 27 with 3187 views | Badlands |
Sell Piroe this summer.
Whittaker should have been given more time to form a working partnership with Cullen and the attacking midfield.
Sell Cabango this summer.
Together that should raise £16 - 18 million.
Utilise our academy players and expect our loan players to return and step up or move on.
If Martin acts like he did after the January window let him walk.
It was predicted by many that if he won a few games he'd be hailed as the new Arsene and so it is. |  |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 13:38 - Apr 27 with 3153 views | vetchonian |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:48 - Apr 27 by angryjack |
One the reasons I not renewing they give f@ck all back.. |
so less monies coming in as a result | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 14:39 - Apr 27 with 3085 views | blackpooljack |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:46 - Apr 27 by Dr_Winston |
Good piece which will hopefully inject a bit of realism into proceedings. It's easy for a lot of people to demand that Martin be "backed" (as if sticking by him during the horrors of November to March wasn't the dictionary definition of that), but few truly understand the kind of expense involved in running a Championship football club.
The number of people I've seen basically demanding that Manning's every request be met regardless of how we would pay for them or even if it would meet the existing wage structure beggars belief.
Supporters of a club which has nearly gone to the wall twice courtesy of reckless overspending really should be better than that. |
Its not that Doc, the yanks said they could take us to the next level when they clearly never could. |  | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 14:39 - Apr 27 with 3071 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Offer Piroe the best deal possible for an extension and sell him if he declines it. Swansea have seen a number of irreplaceable player in the past and replaced them.
Recruitment is vital and in this filed Swansea have been in a constant state of flux. Bring back Andy Scott unemployed at present who was probably the best at Swansea in recent times.
Both manning and Piroe are replaceable providing the recruitment is up to scratch. Martin worryingly was suggesting it was not. Perhaps it is a matter of being short staffed. Thsi should not happen.. Selling for good fees is fine as long as buying is solid. To be fair it has been recent in recent time. Piroe, Obafemi Patterson (when on it) Downes Wood Daring Ntcham, even Fisher is performing is a decent role call.
Manning is now delivering good set pieces and that role needs replacing. Again the set piece man was given abuse in the bad run but Swansea are now even scoring directly from corners and tightened up at the back
Perhaps Cannon of Aaron Collins perhaps could replace Piroe. Collins was voted league 1 player of the year. Martin spent time with the Wales u21 team and will by now be on first name terms with a number of Welsh prospects Beck, Savage, Hoole, Hesketh. Somw amy even be out of contract. |  |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 15:17 - Apr 27 with 3012 views | onehunglow |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 14:39 - Apr 27 by blackpooljack |
Its not that Doc, the yanks said they could take us to the next level when they clearly never could. |
We assumed next level upwards .
We have been conditioned very cleverly to lower any expectations .
It doesn’t bother some | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 15:50 - Apr 27 with 2971 views | vetchonian |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 14:39 - Apr 27 by blackpooljack |
Its not that Doc, the yanks said they could take us to the next level when they clearly never could. |
I think you will find those words came from the mouth of Huw Jenkins.
In reality I think it was meant in terms of funding such as this new "investor" supposedly coming on board
As I read it I think the issue is more about breaking the wage cap structure much as we had prior to our promotion to the PL not that there are not monies for players but they have to be within our budget. | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 16:10 - Apr 27 with 2903 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The money IS there, but thankfully so is the sense.
We would probably have to pay Manning 25k a week to stay.
Could we pay that? Of course we could.
Should we pay that? Of course not.
Piroe won’t enter negotiations so impossible to gauge, he simply doesn’t want to sign a new contract and he’s been open about that. |  |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 16:35 - Apr 27 with 2892 views | Badlands |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:48 - Apr 27 by angryjack |
One the reasons I not renewing they give f@ck all back.. |
That's the hammer … support the club by not supporting the club.
Let's all stop going to games until we are back in the Premier league where we belong just like we have been for 9 of our 109 year history. | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 18:32 - Apr 27 with 2809 views | KeithHaynes |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 13:38 - Apr 27 by vetchonian |
so less monies coming in as a result |
I think it all depends on the future investment we hear so much about, that last million quid merely keeps the lights on. IF any future money comes in ( any investor always sets their money off against a surety ) then maybe we will see something along the lines of some it going in to players contracts, but … |  |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:03 - Apr 27 with 2740 views | SullutaCreturned |
What choices do the owners have?
Spend too much,
Spend none at all,
Spend a ittle bit and try to uitilise our youth.
I suppose they could have raised season ticket prices so we had more income but the way things are right now, how many people would have said they couldn't afford to renew? Quite a few have said that anyway haven't they?
If we sell Piroe now whoever we replace him with, it's a gamble. it's a gamble either way and besides that, he may decide to run his contract down which several players have done at other clubs recently.
There is no easy answer. I don't know exactly what our income is in relation to every other Championship club but the way things are it seems obvious that the clubs relegated from the EPL are far more likely (by a long way) to go straight back up. The bigger clubs in the lower leagues will start to rise back towards the Championship. The smaller clubs will sink under the financial pressures, or go broke trying to stay up.
When I say it seems obvious in reality it has been happening for a few seasons now. This current season very few Championship clubs spent big, last season I think we were third biggest on transfer fees and all our dealings were blown away by Fulham spending 12 million on one player when we spent about 3 million, I think.
Outside of the EPL football is a sick man, dying on it's feet. Even average players are being poached by low end EPL clubs and being paid silly money.
The top EPL clubs continue to hog most of the income and continue to give pay rises to the already obscenely well paid. I don't know when the bubble will burst but surely at some point, it must burst? | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:14 - Apr 27 with 2719 views | vetchonian |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 18:32 - Apr 27 by KeithHaynes |
I think it all depends on the future investment we hear so much about, that last million quid merely keeps the lights on. IF any future money comes in ( any investor always sets their money off against a surety ) then maybe we will see something along the lines of some it going in to players contracts, but … |
I was referring to the "protest" non renewal of season tickets I know it could be considered a "drop in the ocean" but every little helps | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:23 - Apr 27 with 2713 views | KeithHaynes |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:14 - Apr 27 by vetchonian |
I was referring to the "protest" non renewal of season tickets I know it could be considered a "drop in the ocean" but every little helps |
Of course Vetch, would be interesting to hear the season ticket sales numbers, not sure we will until end of July. | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 06:58 - Apr 28 with 2505 views | Dr_Winston |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:03 - Apr 27 by SullutaCreturned |
What choices do the owners have?
Spend too much,
Spend none at all,
Spend a ittle bit and try to uitilise our youth.
I suppose they could have raised season ticket prices so we had more income but the way things are right now, how many people would have said they couldn't afford to renew? Quite a few have said that anyway haven't they?
If we sell Piroe now whoever we replace him with, it's a gamble. it's a gamble either way and besides that, he may decide to run his contract down which several players have done at other clubs recently.
There is no easy answer. I don't know exactly what our income is in relation to every other Championship club but the way things are it seems obvious that the clubs relegated from the EPL are far more likely (by a long way) to go straight back up. The bigger clubs in the lower leagues will start to rise back towards the Championship. The smaller clubs will sink under the financial pressures, or go broke trying to stay up.
When I say it seems obvious in reality it has been happening for a few seasons now. This current season very few Championship clubs spent big, last season I think we were third biggest on transfer fees and all our dealings were blown away by Fulham spending 12 million on one player when we spent about 3 million, I think.
Outside of the EPL football is a sick man, dying on it's feet. Even average players are being poached by low end EPL clubs and being paid silly money.
The top EPL clubs continue to hog most of the income and continue to give pay rises to the already obscenely well paid. I don't know when the bubble will burst but surely at some point, it must burst? |
Apparently talks are ongoing between the PL and the EFL to "spread the wealth" a bit more so to speak. It's not going to be great gobs of cash, but a bit more equitable.
Having said that, if all that lower leagues sides are going to do with the money is shovel it into the pockets of players and agents then it would be a pointless exercise anyway. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 10:34 - Apr 28 with 2376 views | Badlands |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:03 - Apr 27 by SullutaCreturned |
What choices do the owners have?
Spend too much,
Spend none at all,
Spend a ittle bit and try to uitilise our youth.
I suppose they could have raised season ticket prices so we had more income but the way things are right now, how many people would have said they couldn't afford to renew? Quite a few have said that anyway haven't they?
If we sell Piroe now whoever we replace him with, it's a gamble. it's a gamble either way and besides that, he may decide to run his contract down which several players have done at other clubs recently.
There is no easy answer. I don't know exactly what our income is in relation to every other Championship club but the way things are it seems obvious that the clubs relegated from the EPL are far more likely (by a long way) to go straight back up. The bigger clubs in the lower leagues will start to rise back towards the Championship. The smaller clubs will sink under the financial pressures, or go broke trying to stay up.
When I say it seems obvious in reality it has been happening for a few seasons now. This current season very few Championship clubs spent big, last season I think we were third biggest on transfer fees and all our dealings were blown away by Fulham spending 12 million on one player when we spent about 3 million, I think.
Outside of the EPL football is a sick man, dying on it's feet. Even average players are being poached by low end EPL clubs and being paid silly money.
The top EPL clubs continue to hog most of the income and continue to give pay rises to the already obscenely well paid. I don't know when the bubble will burst but surely at some point, it must burst? |
Good points, well made.
On Season Tickets; I was amazed Wrexham charged more than us. £50 more than ours but given running costs and player wages that is a significant figure.
We probably have the cheapest STs in our league given there are only two adult prices (South cheaper than the East and West) whereas most other clubs seem to have a range of prices with some seats significantly more expensive.
Money is tight and, given the rules on overseas players and EU worker rights removed EFL qualifying players are in shorter supply and can command higher wages.
What gets my goat is fans claiming they won’t renew STs or watch games because if the lack of investment or because an American doesn’t watch games. If we all took that approach we would have, wouldn’t deserve to have, a club.
The reality is these owners have put more into Swansea City than any other in our history. OK, it may not be enough for some who believe our rightful place is in the top division but if their answer is to further reduce club income then all I can say is they probably won’t be attending when we are back in League 2 or National League. | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 11:10 - Apr 28 with 2348 views | BryanSwan |
It's quite surprising the clubs stance on this matter as the route we are going down it is highly likely we will start next season without either player.
Piroe has a year left, there will be interest and frankly he will most likely want to go. | |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 19:16 - Apr 28 with 2186 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 11:10 - Apr 28 by BryanSwan |
It's quite surprising the clubs stance on this matter as the route we are going down it is highly likely we will start next season without either player.
Piroe has a year left, there will be interest and frankly he will most likely want to go. |
That would be another big gamble, sell him ow and maybe reinvest the money (assume the owners would) or keep him and see what happens but he probably leaves for nothing in 2024.
The realistic approach is to sell I guess then hope we can unearth another gem. | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 08:13 - Apr 29 with 2087 views | RichardO |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 16:35 - Apr 27 by Badlands |
That's the hammer … support the club by not supporting the club.
Let's all stop going to games until we are back in the Premier league where we belong just like we have been for 9 of our 109 year history. |
It would seem as if a number of season ticket holders are making a stances of not attending games this season given the number of empty seats all around the ground.
Hopefully they have renewed and will return if we remain competitive and not be rolled over so easily.
Teams always have their ups and downs, more ups next season pleases.
Going to try and enjoy the rest of the season. | | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 09:29 - Apr 29 with 2033 views | Whiterockin |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 08:13 - Apr 29 by RichardO |
It would seem as if a number of season ticket holders are making a stances of not attending games this season given the number of empty seats all around the ground.
Hopefully they have renewed and will return if we remain competitive and not be rolled over so easily.
Teams always have their ups and downs, more ups next season pleases.
Going to try and enjoy the rest of the season. |
Win today and against WBA very big ask, and new money coming into the club, some may regret not renewing. Everyone is entitled to their choice, but I'm just saying some may be questioning their decision. |  | | |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 09:51 - Apr 29 with 2018 views | RichardO |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 09:29 - Apr 29 by Whiterockin |
Win today and against WBA very big ask, and new money coming into the club, some may regret not renewing. Everyone is entitled to their choice, but I'm just saying some may be questioning their decision. |
The wins are what all fans wish for and we don't always get what we want,they may regret not renewing especially if promotion comes our way anytime soon but at the end of the day.
I will look forward to supportting our team being competitive at whatever level, other things in life can take precedence like playing the beautiful game but that is long gone, enjoying family time getting the life balance right. [Post edited 30 Apr 2023 1:21]
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 20:15 - Apr 29 with 1881 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 12:48 - Apr 27 by angryjack |
One the reasons I not renewing they give f@ck all back.. |
That’ll learn them |  |
| This is Patches O'Houlihan saying "Take care of your balls, and they'll take care of you." |
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| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 07:29 - Apr 30 with 1764 views | Thornburyswan |
| The money simply isn’t there to retain Joel Piroe and Ryan Manning at Swansea on 06:58 - Apr 28 by Dr_Winston |
Apparently talks are ongoing between the PL and the EFL to "spread the wealth" a bit more so to speak. It's not going to be great gobs of cash, but a bit more equitable.
Having said that, if all that lower leagues sides are going to do with the money is shovel it into the pockets of players and agents then it would be a pointless exercise anyway. |
You are right Dr & if chatter is vaguely accurate it could deliver an extra £5-10M per season to a Championship club like ours but will come with a new set of rules around maximum % of revenue to be spent on player wages & potentially part of the extra £££s linked to finishing position in the league table. | | | |
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