| Joel Piroe 23:10 - Apr 12 with 2334 views | KeithHaynes |
A news story with nothing in it and he’s leaving.
Don’t disagree he may well do, but that story contained absolutely nothing in reality and certain tricksters sniffing an easy buck are all over it.
Speaking to a mate tonight he reckons I that Piroe is no better than Jordan Rhodes and nothing on Pukki when he was in the championship first time around with Norwich,
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| Joel Piroe on 23:30 - Apr 12 with 1863 views | onehunglow |
Seeing as I read Russ is a good developer of players on losn, seeing Whittaker was developed into Plymouths main striker then surely he will take over as main striker |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 23:32 - Apr 12 with 1858 views | KeithHaynes |
| Joel Piroe on 23:30 - Apr 12 by onehunglow |
Seeing as I read Russ is a good developer of players on losn, seeing Whittaker was developed into Plymouths main striker then surely he will take over as main striker |
That’s a record, one response and it’s already a reference to the head coach 🙄
Morgan ? Not a chance.
BTW Russ doesn’t develop players on loan that’s for the club they are at to do 😉 Russ just identifies those who need development and then they are better when they come back or earn the club money ðŸ‘
Anything else don’t be afraid to ask.
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| Joel Piroe on 00:00 - Apr 13 with 1810 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
It does not matter how Piroe compares with other players.
Piroe would stay fit for the next four seasons if at Swansea in the Championship and will guarantee a minimum of 15 goal a season. He fits the teams style perfectly and should t be the teams spiritual leader and top earner.
He needs a speedster along side him. He could also benefit from a tall target man. He seems to adapt to his partners easily be they Patterson, Obafemi or Cullen. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 01:20 - Apr 13 with 1765 views | Dr_Parnassus |
He’s almost certainly off. The only thing that would stop that is if he miraculously decides to sign another contract, which I doubt.
As a club we need to sell him in the summer, I don’t think there is any particular secret about that.
In terms of his ability, I’ve described him in the past as a unicorn in this league and I stand by it. Sheer class who will be incredibly difficult to replace. There aren’t many of his ilk around. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 17:29]
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| Joel Piroe on 07:45 - Apr 13 with 1661 views | jojaca |
| Joel Piroe on 01:20 - Apr 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s almost certainly off. The only thing that would stop that is if he miraculously decides to sign another contract, which I doubt.
As a club we need to sell him in the summer, I don’t think there is any particular secret about that.
In terms of his ability, I’ve described him in the past as a unicorn in this league and I stand by it. Sheer class who will be incredibly difficult to replace. There aren’t many of his ilk around. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 17:29]
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If we have any real ambition of promotion next season we should risk running down his contract. Selling him for 6-8 milllion verses 100 million plus is worth the gamble. I personally believe he is a very good championship level player, but nothing more. He would struggle in higher leagues. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 7:46]
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| Joel Piroe on 08:01 - Apr 13 with 1639 views | Dr_Winston |
Russy seems far more interested in using the loan market to move out players that he doesn't want to have to deal with than in their actual development.
If the latter were true we'd have seen a lot more of Whittaker in a position that actually suits him since he came back, rather than the actually quite predictable one or two games out wide for appearances sake then the inevitable benching. The only thing missing is the press conference ramblings about Whittaker "knowing what he needs to do to get back in the side". |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 08:26 - Apr 13 with 1613 views | Whiterockin |
| Joel Piroe on 08:01 - Apr 13 by Dr_Winston |
Russy seems far more interested in using the loan market to move out players that he doesn't want to have to deal with than in their actual development.
If the latter were true we'd have seen a lot more of Whittaker in a position that actually suits him since he came back, rather than the actually quite predictable one or two games out wide for appearances sake then the inevitable benching. The only thing missing is the press conference ramblings about Whittaker "knowing what he needs to do to get back in the side". |
Whittaker has been in the match day squad unlike previous players who were told what they needed to do. When he has been played tbh he has done nothing to justify more game time. In surprised I'm saying this but Cullen has been better, working hard, pulling defenders out if position and making himself available in the box. |  | | |
| Joel Piroe on 08:29 - Apr 13 with 1608 views | onehunglow |
| Joel Piroe on 08:01 - Apr 13 by Dr_Winston |
Russy seems far more interested in using the loan market to move out players that he doesn't want to have to deal with than in their actual development.
If the latter were true we'd have seen a lot more of Whittaker in a position that actually suits him since he came back, rather than the actually quite predictable one or two games out wide for appearances sake then the inevitable benching. The only thing missing is the press conference ramblings about Whittaker "knowing what he needs to do to get back in the side". |
This in spades
Whittaker has talent
He was loaned out
We read doing this develops players to our benefit.
Whittaker went out and developed at Plymouth.
He was happy there
He was dramatically brought back apparently to be sold to Rangers but owners decided not to making a profit on him in doing so.
Fans then would assume Whittaker having developed would have gone straight back into our team but now. He is in exactly the same place now as he was prior to his loan ,ie bench material.
I read he doesn’t look interested. Hard to judge really from the odd 5/10 minute cameo .
In my opinion,his treatment shows what Russ is really like and it’s not the avuncular chap some worship. It’s why he is exactly the wrong man for our club .
It is very very unsettling with his acolytes swooning at every opportunity when in fact we are going nowhere . | |
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| Joel Piroe on 08:31 - Apr 13 with 1600 views | RichardO |
Surely Piroe and Ntcham have shown how good they are, but having the right team setup around them has enabled them to "up their game" of late, allowing them to have more influence in the right areas.
As for could they play at a higher level who knows if they learn from and are playing with better players, working hard on the areas of their game which aren't their strong points only game time at a higher level would tell.
As for Whittaker we know he is good at the lower level, only having game time at the now higher level, which he hasn't had, will we be able to tell, Cullen has seemly improved with his prolonged run. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 08:38 - Apr 13 with 1571 views | Boundy |
| Joel Piroe on 08:26 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Whittaker has been in the match day squad unlike previous players who were told what they needed to do. When he has been played tbh he has done nothing to justify more game time. In surprised I'm saying this but Cullen has been better, working hard, pulling defenders out if position and making himself available in the box. |
Totally agree with this , Whittaker either by design or application hasn't shown any reason why he should be ahead of Cullen in the pecking order, he came back in a strop and watching his playing time so far makes me believe he's still in one | |
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| Joel Piroe on 08:49 - Apr 13 with 1549 views | RichardO |
| Joel Piroe on 08:38 - Apr 13 by Boundy |
Totally agree with this , Whittaker either by design or application hasn't shown any reason why he should be ahead of Cullen in the pecking order, he came back in a strop and watching his playing time so far makes me believe he's still in one |
Paterson seems to have got over his strop perhaps he realised that he are getting paid good money to do something that he is good at and should enjoy every minute while they can.
No point having a strop, go out and prove you are what you think you are. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 10:06 - Apr 13 with 1475 views | Dr_Winston |
Whittaker was playing through the middle at Plymouth. We've put him out wide. What kind of performances are people expecting exactly?
Russy simply isn't interested in getting the best out of him. He'd rather persist with Cundle, who offers almost nothing going forward. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 10:12 - Apr 13 with 1458 views | KeithHaynes |
| Joel Piroe on 10:06 - Apr 13 by Dr_Winston |
Whittaker was playing through the middle at Plymouth. We've put him out wide. What kind of performances are people expecting exactly?
Russy simply isn't interested in getting the best out of him. He'd rather persist with Cundle, who offers almost nothing going forward. |
If it’s a straight choice between Piroe and Whittakeri can see why Whittaker doesn’t get a nod.
I believe Martin is definitely just keeping him involved because he’s already off in the summer. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 10:17 - Apr 13 with 1443 views | Dr_Winston |
| Joel Piroe on 10:12 - Apr 13 by KeithHaynes |
If it’s a straight choice between Piroe and Whittakeri can see why Whittaker doesn’t get a nod.
I believe Martin is definitely just keeping him involved because he’s already off in the summer. |
It's not a straight choice between Piroe and Whittaker. Never has been.
Whitts could easily play in the advanced midfield, almost #10 role that plenty of others have done yet has been cynically denied him. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 10:18]
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| Joel Piroe on 10:22 - Apr 13 with 1436 views | Whiterockin |
| Joel Piroe on 10:06 - Apr 13 by Dr_Winston |
Whittaker was playing through the middle at Plymouth. We've put him out wide. What kind of performances are people expecting exactly?
Russy simply isn't interested in getting the best out of him. He'd rather persist with Cundle, who offers almost nothing going forward. |
The games I watched Plymouth, admittedly only three or four, they played a forward up top with two behind a little wider, Whittaker was on the right of the two. He was never the furthest forward. He may have played there but not the games I watched.
I would imagine to play Whittaker you would either have to drop one of Piroe, Ntcham, Cullen or Walsh who are all playing very well. Granted Walsh didn't play on Monday but he went with a solid three in midfield and won.
Sometimes people look for an agenda that isn't there. I thought Whittaker did well in the league below but personally on the minutes he has had, in this league, I wouldn't play him before the players I mentioned above. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 10:25 - Apr 13 with 1426 views | Whiterockin |
| Joel Piroe on 10:12 - Apr 13 by KeithHaynes |
If it’s a straight choice between Piroe and Whittakeri can see why Whittaker doesn’t get a nod.
I believe Martin is definitely just keeping him involved because he’s already off in the summer. |
Nailed on and I wouldn't be surprised if a fee wasn't agreed. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 12:35 - Apr 13 with 1311 views | RichardO |
| Joel Piroe on 10:25 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Nailed on and I wouldn't be surprised if a fee wasn't agreed. |
So where does that leave the club in terms of building a strong team with a ambition to push to the Premiership if they keep selling their best players, Downes should never have been sold, he wasn't ready for the step up and it didn't help in Swansea's progression so both the player and the club losted out. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 16:14 - Apr 13 with 1176 views | magicdaps10 |
| Joel Piroe on 12:35 - Apr 13 by RichardO |
So where does that leave the club in terms of building a strong team with a ambition to push to the Premiership if they keep selling their best players, Downes should never have been sold, he wasn't ready for the step up and it didn't help in Swansea's progression so both the player and the club losted out. |
We were right to sell Downes, mainly down to the fee that was a superb deal for us.
This is how the club will be run under current owners, wether you agree with it or not, we will sell and replace with a certain % with the rest being left to cover other things. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 16:28 - Apr 13 with 1139 views | Whiterockin |
| Joel Piroe on 12:35 - Apr 13 by RichardO |
So where does that leave the club in terms of building a strong team with a ambition to push to the Premiership if they keep selling their best players, Downes should never have been sold, he wasn't ready for the step up and it didn't help in Swansea's progression so both the player and the club losted out. |
After Downes had his chance for a Premier League move rebuffed twice by Ipswich, it would not surprise me if there was a release clause in his contract here if another came calling. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 17:27 - Apr 13 with 1088 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Joel Piroe on 16:14 - Apr 13 by magicdaps10 |
We were right to sell Downes, mainly down to the fee that was a superb deal for us.
This is how the club will be run under current owners, wether you agree with it or not, we will sell and replace with a certain % with the rest being left to cover other things. |
Not just our current owners, this is how it works and has worked with any owners we have ever had and ever likely to have, and how it works for the majority of others outside the likes of Man City et al.
These owners also give us the added benefit of regular external funding, something we have never seen previously. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 17:28]
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| Joel Piroe on 17:32 - Apr 13 with 1073 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Joel Piroe on 07:45 - Apr 13 by jojaca |
If we have any real ambition of promotion next season we should risk running down his contract. Selling him for 6-8 milllion verses 100 million plus is worth the gamble. I personally believe he is a very good championship level player, but nothing more. He would struggle in higher leagues. [Post edited 13 Apr 2023 7:46]
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We have had him for 2 seasons and got nowhere near promotion, so that doesn’t really compute.
Under Russ I’m afraid the only option is to sell. £8m+ would do far more good than nothing, in exchange for whatever our slim chances are of promotion next season.
Would you pay £8m to loan him for a single season? Because that’s essentially what you are advocating. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 17:50 - Apr 13 with 1044 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Joel Piroe on 17:32 - Apr 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
We have had him for 2 seasons and got nowhere near promotion, so that doesn’t really compute.
Under Russ I’m afraid the only option is to sell. £8m+ would do far more good than nothing, in exchange for whatever our slim chances are of promotion next season.
Would you pay £8m to loan him for a single season? Because that’s essentially what you are advocating. |
I think no one will pay £8m. I suspect £4m will be the top price. The market is not what it was. Teams are happy to sit an wait as with Ogbene.
Martin said about Whitaker something long the lines of "He needs to believe more" . I am not sure what he meant but perhaps he is not fully on point with the passing possession game promoted by Martin. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 18:16 - Apr 13 with 1011 views | RichardO |
| Joel Piroe on 16:14 - Apr 13 by magicdaps10 |
We were right to sell Downes, mainly down to the fee that was a superb deal for us.
This is how the club will be run under current owners, wether you agree with it or not, we will sell and replace with a certain % with the rest being left to cover other things. |
Doesn't that thinking tend to lead to reduction of quality at the club sure we could have got a similar amount if he stayed another year and progressed, we would have another year of his services which might have lead to his goal either with or without us, Connor Roberts stayed another year almost got promoted and we still had a good return for him. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 18:22 - Apr 13 with 994 views | magicdaps10 |
| Joel Piroe on 18:16 - Apr 13 by RichardO |
Doesn't that thinking tend to lead to reduction of quality at the club sure we could have got a similar amount if he stayed another year and progressed, we would have another year of his services which might have lead to his goal either with or without us, Connor Roberts stayed another year almost got promoted and we still had a good return for him. |
That's a gamble especially taking into account the amount we got and looking back.....it appears to be the right call.
You need to have a good set up in place in regards the route to buy and sell at a profit and use a % to recycle and repeat the process......the owners have struggled in getting the foundation in place to do this.
There are clubs out there who have done this successfully including ourselves, when we were doing this then we had a solid foundation and even the yanks benefited from the work done at academy level prior to their arrival.
As I said, these things work but you need to be proactive and have a plan in place to create a solid foundation to work from. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 19:35 - Apr 13 with 925 views | BarrySwan |
| Joel Piroe on 08:01 - Apr 13 by Dr_Winston |
Russy seems far more interested in using the loan market to move out players that he doesn't want to have to deal with than in their actual development.
If the latter were true we'd have seen a lot more of Whittaker in a position that actually suits him since he came back, rather than the actually quite predictable one or two games out wide for appearances sake then the inevitable benching. The only thing missing is the press conference ramblings about Whittaker "knowing what he needs to do to get back in the side". |
Can't we loan Russy out for a couple of years? | | | |
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