| Same old England 13:31 - Nov 20 with 11942 views | trampie |
How have England got such an easy draw on paper yet again in this World Cup ?
Before looking at the draw I thought they won't get past both Brazil and Argentina but it looks likely that Brazil and Argentina are going to be in a different half of the draw and destined to play each other in the semis, so any potential winner from the other half won't have to play the both of them (unless one of Brazil/Argentina don't win their group and perhaps they would be not that good anyway in that scenario).
Brazil might be deemed to be better overhaul than Argentina but possibly not head to head versus Argentina (didn't Argentina beat Brazil in the last Copa America ) so if Argentina get past Brazil in the semis then there is as much chance of an Argentina v England as there is of any other possible finals.
Iran, USA and Wales in the group for one of the 'big teams' in the form of England means they couldn't ask for better draw than that, then the possible easiest last 16 tie for them (possibly Senegal from Africa) then a potential Quarter final against France, France seem to be on the way down they lost 2-0 to Denmark last time out, they have injuries to their top players like Benzema and Pogba then England would have on paper a possible semi final against ageing Belgium.
England couldn't hand pick a better draw if they tried. |  |
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| Same old England on 13:37 - Nov 20 with 4289 views | onehunglow |
Bitterness personified.
Get over it . |  |
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| Same old England on 13:43 - Nov 20 with 4284 views | pencoedjack |
| Same old England on 13:37 - Nov 20 by onehunglow |
Bitterness personified.
Get over it . |
Indeed also add no football knowledge
Belgium are ranked 2nd in the world France 4th a few injuries to the French team makes little difference. |  | | |
| Same old England on 13:50 - Nov 20 with 4277 views | trampie |
Even the dark horses Netherlands, Uruguay and Denmark are all destined to be in the top half of the draw with Brazil and Argentina, England are destined to be in with Senegal and Mexico you can't write it.  | |
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| Same old England on 14:14 - Nov 20 with 4250 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Same old England on 13:50 - Nov 20 by trampie |
Even the dark horses Netherlands, Uruguay and Denmark are all destined to be in the top half of the draw with Brazil and Argentina, England are destined to be in with Senegal and Mexico you can't write it. |
What if Iran and USA go through and we share a plane home with the Saes ?
Stranger things have happened…. 🤣🤣 |  |
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| Same old England on 14:15 - Nov 20 with 4250 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Same old England on 13:37 - Nov 20 by onehunglow |
Bitterness personified.
Get over it . |
It is perfectly reasonable to want to see you local rival fail. Swansea fans are perfectly happy to see Cardiff city lose to the odious Millwall club for example. A proportion of Welsh fans would like to see England fail.
Some English pundits were hugely offended when Wales players danced after they lost to Iceland. I was genuinely funny. Iceland's population is not much bigger than the population of Ellesmere Port.
Iceland had a much loved ex Swansea player Gylfi Siggurdson. This could have been seen as putting club over country as per your mantra.
Wales are not in Qatar to do England any favours. |  |
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| Same old England on 14:23 - Nov 20 with 4241 views | Treforys_Jack |
It must be hard being you, so bitter............. |  | | |
| Same old England on 14:48 - Nov 20 with 4205 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Same old England on 14:23 - Nov 20 by Treforys_Jack |
It must be hard being you, so bitter............. |
I have explained in precise text why it is not necessarily bitter. It is normal in football to want to see your nearest neighbour fail.
This forum has a large Anglo positive community. This is because as probably being people coming from mining communities they have non Welsh immigrant values which they have held on to through the generations.
This is similar to the pro Russians of the Donbass. They argue that Russians and Ukrainian are the same and accuse the Ukrainians a of being "Fascist". People do that on this forum in different ways. It is interesting to see, | |
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| Same old England on 14:49 - Nov 20 with 4198 views | Boundy |
I agree , England will sail through the group, no competition there although I think Iran will be harder to break down than either us or the US | |
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| Same old England on 14:53 - Nov 20 with 4192 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Same old England on 14:48 - Nov 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have explained in precise text why it is not necessarily bitter. It is normal in football to want to see your nearest neighbour fail.
This forum has a large Anglo positive community. This is because as probably being people coming from mining communities they have non Welsh immigrant values which they have held on to through the generations.
This is similar to the pro Russians of the Donbass. They argue that Russians and Ukrainian are the same and accuse the Ukrainians a of being "Fascist". People do that on this forum in different ways. It is interesting to see, |
‘Non Welsh immigrant values…similar to pro Russians of the Donbass’
England hasn’t invaded Wales other than going back into ancient history. How can you compare the two ? Of course we’re the same type of people as England, our island is tiny. |  | | |
| Same old England on 15:11 - Nov 20 with 4173 views | onehunglow |
| Same old England on 14:53 - Nov 20 by Sirjohnalot |
‘Non Welsh immigrant values…similar to pro Russians of the Donbass’
England hasn’t invaded Wales other than going back into ancient history. How can you compare the two ? Of course we’re the same type of people as England, our island is tiny. |
Do I have to paint a picture of the moon | |
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| Same old England on 15:27 - Nov 20 with 4156 views | cockett_jack |
Come on England |  | | |
| Same old England on 15:37 - Nov 20 with 4142 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Same old England on 14:53 - Nov 20 by Sirjohnalot |
‘Non Welsh immigrant values…similar to pro Russians of the Donbass’
England hasn’t invaded Wales other than going back into ancient history. How can you compare the two ? Of course we’re the same type of people as England, our island is tiny. |
Similar in some respects. Some Welsh have strong love for England and its values and run down Wales at every opportunity. Union flags abound I explain the origin of this apathy to all things Welsh to the readership. One poster is in my opinion "getting away with it".
I get accused of having "pure bred Welsh" love which i have never espoused. I am a mongrel. It is subtle but sinister.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are also torn and vilify the Kiev government through spin and propaganda. An extreme comparison of course. There are people who say similar things to Putin. "There is no difference between the Welsh and English and the WAG should be disbanded".
Drakeford gets massive pelters, 'Dickford' 'Dripford' "Drippyford". etc. The Scottish leader is now "Wee Willie Krankee" or similar. No English politician gets this type of abuse. I remember Kinnock who I have no love for being called a "Welsh windbag". I cannot see Sunak being called a "Asian Airbag". Any journo who did, would be sacked within minutes. | |
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| Same old England on 15:52 - Nov 20 with 4123 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old England on 15:37 - Nov 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Similar in some respects. Some Welsh have strong love for England and its values and run down Wales at every opportunity. Union flags abound I explain the origin of this apathy to all things Welsh to the readership. One poster is in my opinion "getting away with it".
I get accused of having "pure bred Welsh" love which i have never espoused. I am a mongrel. It is subtle but sinister.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are also torn and vilify the Kiev government through spin and propaganda. An extreme comparison of course. There are people who say similar things to Putin. "There is no difference between the Welsh and English and the WAG should be disbanded".
Drakeford gets massive pelters, 'Dickford' 'Dripford' "Drippyford". etc. The Scottish leader is now "Wee Willie Krankee" or similar. No English politician gets this type of abuse. I remember Kinnock who I have no love for being called a "Welsh windbag". I cannot see Sunak being called a "Asian Airbag". Any journo who did, would be sacked within minutes. |
No English politician gets this type of abuse.
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen on here. By all means have your prejudices but keep it real. |  | | |
| Same old England on 16:12 - Nov 20 with 4086 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Same old England on 15:37 - Nov 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Similar in some respects. Some Welsh have strong love for England and its values and run down Wales at every opportunity. Union flags abound I explain the origin of this apathy to all things Welsh to the readership. One poster is in my opinion "getting away with it".
I get accused of having "pure bred Welsh" love which i have never espoused. I am a mongrel. It is subtle but sinister.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are also torn and vilify the Kiev government through spin and propaganda. An extreme comparison of course. There are people who say similar things to Putin. "There is no difference between the Welsh and English and the WAG should be disbanded".
Drakeford gets massive pelters, 'Dickford' 'Dripford' "Drippyford". etc. The Scottish leader is now "Wee Willie Krankee" or similar. No English politician gets this type of abuse. I remember Kinnock who I have no love for being called a "Welsh windbag". I cannot see Sunak being called a "Asian Airbag". Any journo who did, would be sacked within minutes. |
England and it’s values ? We’re the same country ? What difference is there between the people of Manchester and Swansea ? Or Bury and Neath ? I’ve lived more or less half my life in England and Wales and the people are exactly the same.
Diane Abbott got slammed as did Corbyn, Truss, Patel, Major, Mellor, Johnson. Nothing to do with being Welsh. | | | |
| Same old England on 16:15 - Nov 20 with 4073 views | onehunglow |
| Same old England on 15:52 - Nov 20 by Whiterockin |
No English politician gets this type of abuse.
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen on here. By all means have your prejudices but keep it real. |
Maybe a dictionary should be consulted as regards what is racism.
We re seeing it here alright.
Bleeding,blood ,it’s all there
And people wonder why manybsee us as irrelevant jerks with chips on shoulders | |
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| Same old England on 16:18 - Nov 20 with 4060 views | onehunglow |
You can’t be an immigrant moving within the same country.
In this case Great Britain. Our country . | |
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| Same old England on 16:19 - Nov 20 with 4062 views | trampie |
| Same old England on 16:12 - Nov 20 by Sirjohnalot |
England and it’s values ? We’re the same country ? What difference is there between the people of Manchester and Swansea ? Or Bury and Neath ? I’ve lived more or less half my life in England and Wales and the people are exactly the same.
Diane Abbott got slammed as did Corbyn, Truss, Patel, Major, Mellor, Johnson. Nothing to do with being Welsh. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wal
English and Welsh are races apart according to that article.
Welsh are the true Britons etc etc. | |
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| Same old England on 16:22 - Nov 20 with 4047 views | trampie |
The draw means there should be betting and fantasy value on England in this tournament, how many tournaments do England get an easy draw in, it's uncanny, mind you the way FIFA and the football authorities conduct themselves and the corruption around the football authorities perhaps it needs to be looked at why England get favourable draws all the time is it just continual good luck or something else...hmm | |
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| Same old England on 16:22 - Nov 20 with 4045 views | onehunglow |
English and Welsh are not races.
You’re a racist . I’m calling you out right now.l
You fit the definition .
My son and daughter,born England different race to me ?
You are beyond disgusting. An affront to the land of my birth. You embarrass and shame good people .
Crawl away or use a welsh language forum.
Our coach is different race ? | |
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| Same old England on 16:28 - Nov 20 with 4015 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Same old England on 16:12 - Nov 20 by Sirjohnalot |
England and it’s values ? We’re the same country ? What difference is there between the people of Manchester and Swansea ? Or Bury and Neath ? I’ve lived more or less half my life in England and Wales and the people are exactly the same.
Diane Abbott got slammed as did Corbyn, Truss, Patel, Major, Mellor, Johnson. Nothing to do with being Welsh. |
So what were they called. "English **********" you fill in the blanks. Pakistani ********. Off you go learned friend. Lets see your list. "West Indian ******"
"What do you say to those that say you are nothing more than Welsh wind bag Mr Kinnock". BBC.
Putin - "Ukrainians are just like us Russians no difference. Odessa belong to the Russian people as one." St Peterberg and Lviv same people.
Slava Ukraini. [Post edited 20 Nov 2022 16:32]
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| Same old England on 16:33 - Nov 20 with 3999 views | Gwyn737 |
| Same old England on 15:37 - Nov 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Similar in some respects. Some Welsh have strong love for England and its values and run down Wales at every opportunity. Union flags abound I explain the origin of this apathy to all things Welsh to the readership. One poster is in my opinion "getting away with it".
I get accused of having "pure bred Welsh" love which i have never espoused. I am a mongrel. It is subtle but sinister.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are also torn and vilify the Kiev government through spin and propaganda. An extreme comparison of course. There are people who say similar things to Putin. "There is no difference between the Welsh and English and the WAG should be disbanded".
Drakeford gets massive pelters, 'Dickford' 'Dripford' "Drippyford". etc. The Scottish leader is now "Wee Willie Krankee" or similar. No English politician gets this type of abuse. I remember Kinnock who I have no love for being called a "Welsh windbag". I cannot see Sunak being called a "Asian Airbag". Any journo who did, would be sacked within minutes. |
Difference between nationality and race.
Again. | | | |
| Same old England on 16:34 - Nov 20 with 3994 views | onehunglow |
| Same old England on 16:28 - Nov 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
So what were they called. "English **********" you fill in the blanks. Pakistani ********. Off you go learned friend. Lets see your list. "West Indian ******"
"What do you say to those that say you are nothing more than Welsh wind bag Mr Kinnock". BBC.
Putin - "Ukrainians are just like us Russians no difference. Odessa belong to the Russian people as one." St Peterberg and Lviv same people.
Slava Ukraini. [Post edited 20 Nov 2022 16:32]
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It’s your choice.
Either you remove the bitterness from your soul or you don’t.
You will never find peace as you are
You are fundamentally bereft of any personal perception or objectivity.
I have pure Welsh blood,probably makes me the mess of a man I am.
Those with mixed blood have less hate in their hearts | |
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| Same old England on 16:37 - Nov 20 with 3977 views | Gwyn737 |
| Same old England on 16:34 - Nov 20 by onehunglow |
It’s your choice.
Either you remove the bitterness from your soul or you don’t.
You will never find peace as you are
You are fundamentally bereft of any personal perception or objectivity.
I have pure Welsh blood,probably makes me the mess of a man I am.
Those with mixed blood have less hate in their hearts |
Depends OHL.
If you’re not red headed with blue eyes and freckles you’re not part of Resovlen’s master race. | | | |
| Same old England on 16:41 - Nov 20 with 3959 views | onehunglow |
| Same old England on 16:37 - Nov 20 by Gwyn737 |
Depends OHL.
If you’re not red headed with blue eyes and freckles you’re not part of Resovlen’s master race. |
I’m not having this Gwyn even if it gets me banned
I am nit having racism in its purest form on here and that is what it is.
English race
Welsh race
This when most of our team is English as well as the coach
Not on. | |
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