| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs 11:34 - Aug 5 with 6008 views | guthrieintherain |
There is an an article on the BBC reporting that we cannot compete with the majority of clubs in our League.
States we have to do things a different way.
I thought I read something on here recently that stated we have the 7th or 8th biggest budget in the division.
Is this Russ trying to play down expectations or getting his excuses in early. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 11:35]
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 11:43 - Aug 5 with 2886 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Absolutely, I posted that knowing that budgets could well be one of the excuses this season. I was sick of the excuses given last season.
Every interview he gives he looks for an excuse. We, as usual, have a budget that most of the league would envy.
It’s very close to 6th highest, I think it’s something like 800k in salary between us and 6th. |  |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 11:49 - Aug 5 with 2873 views | onehunglow |
So why choose a way of playing that is above ordinary ,modest paid players.
Can't compete.Indeed. | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 11:50 - Aug 5 with 2867 views | onehunglow |
He might be alluding to the fact he sees us as not a proper club;not until HE changes us. | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 11:58 - Aug 5 with 2854 views | guthrieintherain |
Yes he states there is a misconception that we are one of the big spenders can't remember exact wording.
Because we are an ex PL club we don't get parachute payments the majority of clubs don't get them Russ.
Even goes onto say that's why we couldn't attract other managers.
Coming out with this nonsense one game into the season is crazy.
If somebody could put the artricle up it would be appreciated.
Needs to get on with the job I gave him a bit of leeway last season as many did,but he needs to start delivering now. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 12:06]
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:07 - Aug 5 with 2816 views | onehunglow |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 11:58 - Aug 5 by guthrieintherain |
Yes he states there is a misconception that we are one of the big spenders can't remember exact wording.
Because we are an ex PL club we don't get parachute payments the majority of clubs don't get them Russ.
Even goes onto say that's why we couldn't attract other managers.
Coming out with this nonsense one game into the season is crazy.
If somebody could put the artricle up it would be appreciated.
Needs to get on with the job I gave him a bit of leeway last season as many did,but he needs to start delivering now. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 12:06]
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Gut
It's fair to say I'm pretty obsessed with him.
That said,his supporters are too defending him whatever he does or says.
I do not want us to lose games but if we were to be adrift by ,say Novermeber his position might be untenable but the question,quite rightly,has to be asked as to just whom succeeds him. He is not a genius and there are plenty of managers who would jump at the chance of being our manager.
We ARE a decent proper club.
Nobody should forget how he insulted our club and the fans ,living and dead,who loved us . | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:13 - Aug 5 with 2806 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:07 - Aug 5 by onehunglow |
Gut
It's fair to say I'm pretty obsessed with him.
That said,his supporters are too defending him whatever he does or says.
I do not want us to lose games but if we were to be adrift by ,say Novermeber his position might be untenable but the question,quite rightly,has to be asked as to just whom succeeds him. He is not a genius and there are plenty of managers who would jump at the chance of being our manager.
We ARE a decent proper club.
Nobody should forget how he insulted our club and the fans ,living and dead,who loved us . |
Personally I don't back him regardless.
Was willing to give him a chance.
But his excuses are a waste of time this season he had his dry run the bull needs to stop now.
We need to start performing with what is a very good Championship side. | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:19 - Aug 5 with 2785 views | onehunglow |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:13 - Aug 5 by guthrieintherain |
Personally I don't back him regardless.
Was willing to give him a chance.
But his excuses are a waste of time this season he had his dry run the bull needs to stop now.
We need to start performing with what is a very good Championship side. |
They should be obvious to all and I think they are.
The support on here is rather surreal,IMO.
We deserve better than endless excuses .
This season will define us for some time to come and I’m hoping that when he does go there will nit be too much damage.
When he does go,players sigh huge relief notwithstanding this public utterances.
What concerns me most is Joe Allen returning. Great lad and top pro but well past his best | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:28 - Aug 5 with 2773 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:19 - Aug 5 by onehunglow |
They should be obvious to all and I think they are.
The support on here is rather surreal,IMO.
We deserve better than endless excuses .
This season will define us for some time to come and I’m hoping that when he does go there will nit be too much damage.
When he does go,players sigh huge relief notwithstanding this public utterances.
What concerns me most is Joe Allen returning. Great lad and top pro but well past his best |
Have you settled on the fantasy team starts tonight.
Don't forget you captain.
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:48 - Aug 5 with 2716 views | Badlands |
Perhaps the thousands of 'fans' we had in the PL days could make a come back to improve our finances.
Or, the Trust could sell their shares and make a decent contribution. |  |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:52 - Aug 5 with 2704 views | KeithHaynes |
We are spending in excess of a million on a variety of players each window.
Piroe, Obafemi and Downes last season.
That amounted to around 4.5 million.
Plus Fisher and Ogbeta ( regardless on peoples thoughts on him ) Another 800k or so.
A long list of players deemed not good enough, Cullen, Fulton, Bennett, Ogbeta, Benda, re are more so all their salaries stack up to millions.
I’m unsure what people, expect ? The club are working now without any premier league cash. |  |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:00 - Aug 5 with 2688 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:52 - Aug 5 by KeithHaynes |
We are spending in excess of a million on a variety of players each window.
Piroe, Obafemi and Downes last season.
That amounted to around 4.5 million.
Plus Fisher and Ogbeta ( regardless on peoples thoughts on him ) Another 800k or so.
A long list of players deemed not good enough, Cullen, Fulton, Bennett, Ogbeta, Benda, re are more so all their salaries stack up to millions.
I’m unsure what people, expect ? The club are working now without any premier league cash. |
Yes I agree totally Keith but Russ needs to accept this as well and stop bleating on about what we don't
have and concentrate on what we do have.
Perhaps I am a tad over sensitive but I found his comment about us not being able to attract managers due to finances irritating.
He is lucky to have us not the other way round.
Has a bigger head than Hunmpty Dumpty and with nothing of note to back it up. | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:01 - Aug 5 with 2686 views | magicdaps10 |
These articles about players wages online are pure guesswork, a lot of these articles will be based on us having parachute payments from the kadt 3 years and there will certainly be wages on the books that need lowering and in some cases taken off the payroll.
Luckily in the last 3cyears we have seen players be sold for good money which allows us to spend over time a small % of those fees, luckily some of those sales will see us get add ons down the road that is so important for the future if this club.
If you take in everything from signing on fees, agent fees, bonuses etc etc.... the list is endless then we are not able, as we stand, in a position to compete with atleast half the clubs in this league.
I really scratch my head as to what people really see or expect from the situation we are in. |  |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:14 - Aug 5 with 2665 views | Sirjohnalot |
Isn't it sensible for him to say that we have to be careful about what we spend in the transfer market and play down what we can afford. Alternative is saying that we are doing well financially, are able to compete with other teams in the league thereby pushing the fee of any player coming in up ?
This way, we are keeping things close to our chest, and dealing under the radar. |  | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:22 - Aug 5 with 2649 views | magicdaps10 |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:14 - Aug 5 by Sirjohnalot |
Isn't it sensible for him to say that we have to be careful about what we spend in the transfer market and play down what we can afford. Alternative is saying that we are doing well financially, are able to compete with other teams in the league thereby pushing the fee of any player coming in up ?
This way, we are keeping things close to our chest, and dealing under the radar. |
That's the old adage, not sure if it works but can totally understand the ploy.
Mind you, things within football circles are commonly known so I would guess a fair few clubs know that we need to get the wages down especially with certain players, it becomes a bit of poker in the last 2 weeks of the window.
The ideal situation is we sell Piroe for 15m plus in the next week or so, pay off Bennett's wage, ship off a few on loan, get a team to come in for Fulton.
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We then get a replacement in for Piroe, a right wing back and 2 midfielders.
That's the plan in an ideal world 😬 | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:27 - Aug 5 with 2624 views | lifelong |
We’re unbeaten so far this season.👠|  | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:43 - Aug 5 with 2609 views | guthrieintherain |
Not sure lifey will never see any wrong in anything associated with the club.
Could be 15 points adrift at the bottom of the league and he will still defend everything. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 13:45]
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:47 - Aug 5 with 2586 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:22 - Aug 5 by magicdaps10 |
That's the old adage, not sure if it works but can totally understand the ploy.
Mind you, things within football circles are commonly known so I would guess a fair few clubs know that we need to get the wages down especially with certain players, it becomes a bit of poker in the last 2 weeks of the window.
The ideal situation is we sell Piroe for 15m plus in the next week or so, pay off Bennett's wage, ship off a few on loan, get a team to come in for Fulton.
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We then get a replacement in for Piroe, a right wing back and 2 midfielders.
That's the plan in an ideal world 😬 |
I think keeping Piroe is vital to our success this year, getting rid of the lads who aren't needed is also crucial, then we can get the 2-3 players we need.
I'd imagine things are already in place awaiting people to leave. | | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:48 - Aug 5 with 2568 views | lifelong |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:43 - Aug 5 by guthrieintherain |
Not sure lifey will never see any wrong in anything associated with the club.
Could be 15 points adrift at the bottom of the league and he will still defend everything. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 13:45]
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Not correct.
But even if I did it would be better than not seeing anything right with the club. | | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:51 - Aug 5 with 2566 views | onehunglow |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:43 - Aug 5 by guthrieintherain |
Not sure lifey will never see any wrong in anything associated with the club.
Could be 15 points adrift at the bottom of the league and he will still defend everything. [Post edited 5 Aug 2022 13:45]
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I can't speak for him but I have said that nobody can be truly happy over how things are right now or indeed since we were relegated in appalling fashion.
For sure,ripping into other fans over their views is pitiful really at least when comments are not made face to face.
Normally when some of my comments hit the spot Perch,Scouse.Liverpool,Scousers names appear from the same crew. People see this and cringe. It is naked hatred,no more no less.
On one thread the non rendition of GSTQ popped up from people who hate that Anthem outraged at those who didnt "sing" it. | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:53 - Aug 5 with 2557 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:51 - Aug 5 by onehunglow |
I can't speak for him but I have said that nobody can be truly happy over how things are right now or indeed since we were relegated in appalling fashion.
For sure,ripping into other fans over their views is pitiful really at least when comments are not made face to face.
Normally when some of my comments hit the spot Perch,Scouse.Liverpool,Scousers names appear from the same crew. People see this and cringe. It is naked hatred,no more no less.
On one thread the non rendition of GSTQ popped up from people who hate that Anthem outraged at those who didnt "sing" it. |
I'm truly happy, though I am a bit odd | | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:55 - Aug 5 with 2552 views | Whiterockin |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:14 - Aug 5 by Sirjohnalot |
Isn't it sensible for him to say that we have to be careful about what we spend in the transfer market and play down what we can afford. Alternative is saying that we are doing well financially, are able to compete with other teams in the league thereby pushing the fee of any player coming in up ?
This way, we are keeping things close to our chest, and dealing under the radar. |
Exactly right sometimes you need look beyond the statement. Clearly there is more business to be done this window. Do you plead poverty or say we are flush with cash. |  | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 14:02 - Aug 5 with 2523 views | onehunglow |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:53 - Aug 5 by Sirjohnalot |
I'm truly happy, though I am a bit odd |
I hope that's not down to the substances to which you refer to vis a vis your fellow Counsel.
I am awaiting my ticket with expectation of a pleasant day or morning and lunch anyway.
I shall be getting there mid morning as I believe the traffic will be horrendous and will go via 59 and 583. I shall buy a candy floss and sit on the Prom resplendant in my SCFC t shirt | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 14:34 - Aug 5 with 2469 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 14:02 - Aug 5 by onehunglow |
I hope that's not down to the substances to which you refer to vis a vis your fellow Counsel.
I am awaiting my ticket with expectation of a pleasant day or morning and lunch anyway.
I shall be getting there mid morning as I believe the traffic will be horrendous and will go via 59 and 583. I shall buy a candy floss and sit on the Prom resplendant in my SCFC t shirt |
Wasn't too bad last year as most arrive the day before I think. Looking forward to a brew | | | |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 14:50 - Aug 5 with 2446 views | Catullus |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 12:52 - Aug 5 by KeithHaynes |
We are spending in excess of a million on a variety of players each window.
Piroe, Obafemi and Downes last season.
That amounted to around 4.5 million.
Plus Fisher and Ogbeta ( regardless on peoples thoughts on him ) Another 800k or so.
A long list of players deemed not good enough, Cullen, Fulton, Bennett, Ogbeta, Benda, re are more so all their salaries stack up to millions.
I’m unsure what people, expect ? The club are working now without any premier league cash. |
I'll tell you what I don't epect, Keith, I don't expect the manager to start spouting this crap because it really does sound like he's getting his excuses in early.
Last season we nearly all gave him leeway as he talked about having no preseason (and other things) but this season the excuses need to stop.
If we don't see genuine improvement this season then all those calling foul will start to look very right. Is Martin a deent manager, a manager who can only put a team together if big money is spent or he actually all style but no substance? | |
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| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 15:28 - Aug 5 with 2387 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russ we can't compete financially with most Championship clubs on 13:01 - Aug 5 by magicdaps10 |
These articles about players wages online are pure guesswork, a lot of these articles will be based on us having parachute payments from the kadt 3 years and there will certainly be wages on the books that need lowering and in some cases taken off the payroll.
Luckily in the last 3cyears we have seen players be sold for good money which allows us to spend over time a small % of those fees, luckily some of those sales will see us get add ons down the road that is so important for the future if this club.
If you take in everything from signing on fees, agent fees, bonuses etc etc.... the list is endless then we are not able, as we stand, in a position to compete with atleast half the clubs in this league.
I really scratch my head as to what people really see or expect from the situation we are in. |
The only clear way of knowing is to either ask the player or their agent with their permission, most are more than willing to disclose.
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