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Post match thoughts 22:00 - Feb 28 with 3528 viewsDr_Parnassus

As usual I’ll be among the first to congratulate Martin and the players on a good win. I’ll put it in a separate thread as no doubt a select few will pretend they haven’t seen it and criticise as a result.

I would have taken a draw before the match so to come away with 3 points is not something we can’t look too critically at, I am results driven in my analysis so I’ll keep taking the 3 points quite happily without much too concern elsewhere if that can become the norm.

WBA were horrendous, they have now scored 1 goal in the last 7 games, it was clear why that was the case. I’d say we grew into the game, the first half was very dull, same slow and meaningless passing being noted by many, including the SKY commentators who said there is far too much focus on possession stats.

I wasn’t keen on the lineup with no Ntcham and Wolf and Christie swapping sides. This was all corrected in game, but should have been right from the start in my view. I don’t like unsettling the team for no apparent reason.

The positives is despite Martin adopting the wrong tactics and selection from the start he was able to recognise that and adjust.

In the last 15 minutes we put on Ntcham, had the wingbacks on the correct flanks and started to go more direct, exposing gaping holes in the WBA wide defensive areas which was commented on early on the match day thread.

Our first goal saw 2 passes from our own 18 yard box to scoring the goal, the second goal saw 3 passes from our own defensive third to scoring the goal.

There is a lot to learn there for Martin, if he is willing to see it. Positive results, positive affirmation of the way we should be playing - will it be capitalised on? Time will tell.

That’s where I am today.
[Post edited 28 Feb 2022 23:20]

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Post match thoughts on 22:04 - Feb 28 with 1954 viewsWhiterockin

Excellent win against a very poor side. Deserved the win without a doubt, give credit where its due.
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Post match thoughts on 22:08 - Feb 28 with 1939 viewsjasper_T

We looked like the better team for 15 minutes at the end. Otherwise it was a poor game of football all around.

The difference between Swans fans coming away delighted with the performance and booing the team off again was two bits of naff keeping and two attempts from them hitting the post. Fine margins.
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Post match thoughts on 22:10 - Feb 28 with 1931 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 22:04 - Feb 28 by Whiterockin

Excellent win against a very poor side. Deserved the win without a doubt, give credit where its due.


Are you asking me to give credit where it’s due or are you saying you are giving credit where it’s due?

I have given the players and manager credit for the win. As you say, awful opposition, but we certainly looked the more dangerous despite them hitting the woodwork twice.

Certainly deserved to win.

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Post match thoughts on 22:12 - Feb 28 with 1899 viewsWhiterockin

Post match thoughts on 22:10 - Feb 28 by Dr_Parnassus

Are you asking me to give credit where it’s due or are you saying you are giving credit where it’s due?

I have given the players and manager credit for the win. As you say, awful opposition, but we certainly looked the more dangerous despite them hitting the woodwork twice.

Certainly deserved to win.


If I was replying to your post it would posted as a reply. I was just giving my opinion on the thread as people do.
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Post match thoughts on 22:14 - Feb 28 with 1883 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 22:12 - Feb 28 by Whiterockin

If I was replying to your post it would posted as a reply. I was just giving my opinion on the thread as people do.


Your sentence “give credit where credit is due” is an instruction rather than a description of your intentions.

Considering you posted it as a reply to the OP it was a confusing sentence, hence I asked for clarity.

Which I have now received.

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Post match thoughts on 22:17 - Feb 28 with 1861 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 22:08 - Feb 28 by jasper_T

We looked like the better team for 15 minutes at the end. Otherwise it was a poor game of football all around.

The difference between Swans fans coming away delighted with the performance and booing the team off again was two bits of naff keeping and two attempts from them hitting the post. Fine margins.


The last 15 is certainly when we went more direct.

My question is despite saying he won’t change, when he does get results it tends to be when he does… so will this finally be the evidence he needs to use it more often?

If we are to see progression then we need to learn what works and what doesn’t. Do more of what does and less of what doesn’t.

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Post match thoughts on 22:20 - Feb 28 with 1839 viewsWhiterockin

Post match thoughts on 22:14 - Feb 28 by Dr_Parnassus

Your sentence “give credit where credit is due” is an instruction rather than a description of your intentions.

Considering you posted it as a reply to the OP it was a confusing sentence, hence I asked for clarity.

Which I have now received.


No problem
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Post match thoughts on 22:35 - Feb 28 with 1793 viewsBadlands

Poor game
Poor manager
Poor players
Poor tactics
Poor poor poor
What was that? We won … 2 nil … we must ha ve been really awful.

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Post match thoughts on 22:40 - Feb 28 with 1775 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 22:35 - Feb 28 by Badlands

Poor game
Poor manager
Poor players
Poor tactics
Poor poor poor
What was that? We won … 2 nil … we must ha ve been really awful.


🤷‍♂️

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Post match thoughts on 23:43 - Feb 28 with 1696 viewsAjack_Kerouac

I felt we were our usual selves;

- we made some suicidal passes in the defensive third which luckily weren't punished
- we were slow to get the ball forward and cautious in general (I often found myself seeing the good pass, the creative pass, that was on...with often a 1 touch pass...but found it frustrating as we played a backwards pass that seemed designed to slow everything down instead)
- We neglected to shoot in the final third when it was the right time to shoot
- we wanted too many touches in the final third and at times looked as if we were trying to walk it in
- Players in wrong positions as usual, the formation never bloody changes though (unless Martin is attempting to see out the last 10mins)


...but;
- Good to play a bit more direct in the 2nd half
- Good to score a couple of goals
- Good to win
- Piroe scored with the only chance we created for him (get this boy the ball in the right areas and he will score 30+)
- Good performance from Downes and Grimes in midfield on the whole
- Moments of skill from Wolff, Ntcham and Patterson
- Christie an attacking threat
- Fisher didn't do anything silly for a change.



West Brom looked in poor form.
We looked in poor form, short of confidence, but came through stronger in the end
[Post edited 28 Feb 2022 23:44]

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Post match thoughts on 00:32 - Mar 1 with 1641 viewsTreforys_Jack

Post match thoughts on 23:43 - Feb 28 by Ajack_Kerouac

I felt we were our usual selves;

- we made some suicidal passes in the defensive third which luckily weren't punished
- we were slow to get the ball forward and cautious in general (I often found myself seeing the good pass, the creative pass, that was on...with often a 1 touch pass...but found it frustrating as we played a backwards pass that seemed designed to slow everything down instead)
- We neglected to shoot in the final third when it was the right time to shoot
- we wanted too many touches in the final third and at times looked as if we were trying to walk it in
- Players in wrong positions as usual, the formation never bloody changes though (unless Martin is attempting to see out the last 10mins)


...but;
- Good to play a bit more direct in the 2nd half
- Good to score a couple of goals
- Good to win
- Piroe scored with the only chance we created for him (get this boy the ball in the right areas and he will score 30+)
- Good performance from Downes and Grimes in midfield on the whole
- Moments of skill from Wolff, Ntcham and Patterson
- Christie an attacking threat
- Fisher didn't do anything silly for a change.



West Brom looked in poor form.
We looked in poor form, short of confidence, but came through stronger in the end
[Post edited 28 Feb 2022 23:44]


Accurate summing up.
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Post match thoughts on 05:54 - Mar 1 with 1569 viewsjasper_T

Post match thoughts on 22:17 - Feb 28 by Dr_Parnassus

The last 15 is certainly when we went more direct.

My question is despite saying he won’t change, when he does get results it tends to be when he does… so will this finally be the evidence he needs to use it more often?

If we are to see progression then we need to learn what works and what doesn’t. Do more of what does and less of what doesn’t.


I think West Brom taking off Mulumby for another striker made a difference to the spaces that were available to us. Whether we deliberately went more direct or not, we looked far more threatening from that point.

Naive from Bruce. Disrupted a shape that had kept us at bay without too many issues to chase a win.
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Post match thoughts on 06:13 - Mar 1 with 1556 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 05:54 - Mar 1 by jasper_T

I think West Brom taking off Mulumby for another striker made a difference to the spaces that were available to us. Whether we deliberately went more direct or not, we looked far more threatening from that point.

Naive from Bruce. Disrupted a shape that had kept us at bay without too many issues to chase a win.


What needed to be done was very apparent, very early.

I made two comments in the first half in the match day thread stating that we needed to get the ball out wide and expose the spaces being left down each defensive flank. But we were moving it too slow and too centrally. We were passing 15 times before moving forward meaning those gaps were then filled, it was incredibly frustrating.





Second half he puts Ntcham on, chucks him out wide late and starts to go more direct (2 passes from defensive area to scoring for the first goal, and 3 passes from defensive area to scoring for the second goal), exploiting that weakness in their defensive flanks.

Look at the space for Ntcham for the first one, that was there all game, we were just too slow in thought to expose it.



The space out there was unreal.

So he got there in the end but that was basic and should have made that change far sooner. But hard to be critical as he did eventually see the obvious and acted on it.

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Post match thoughts on 07:04 - Mar 1 with 1508 viewsjojaca

Good win against a poor side. Still frustrating, still slow out of the blocks and fed up with recording first shot on goal after 40 mins plus (Fans shouldn't be singing we have had a shot on goal). I miss the game being played at high tempo and watching players with pace flying down the wings.

My household last night were all looking at their phones again last night instead of the game because the hook of watching us has gone and I sense the Sky TV have realized now. We are anti-football for most of game, playing keep ball in non effect areas and it sends viewers into an early nap.

The rest of season for me get the passing stats down it takes to get point from point A to point B, play with high tempo and more risks in final third and please sort out set pieces. It was embarrassing the free kicks and corner stats. Set pieces are huge part of teams scoring goals.

Even when you know, you never know?

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Post match thoughts on 07:12 - Mar 1 with 1487 viewsbuilthjack

Post match thoughts on 07:04 - Mar 1 by jojaca

Good win against a poor side. Still frustrating, still slow out of the blocks and fed up with recording first shot on goal after 40 mins plus (Fans shouldn't be singing we have had a shot on goal). I miss the game being played at high tempo and watching players with pace flying down the wings.

My household last night were all looking at their phones again last night instead of the game because the hook of watching us has gone and I sense the Sky TV have realized now. We are anti-football for most of game, playing keep ball in non effect areas and it sends viewers into an early nap.

The rest of season for me get the passing stats down it takes to get point from point A to point B, play with high tempo and more risks in final third and please sort out set pieces. It was embarrassing the free kicks and corner stats. Set pieces are huge part of teams scoring goals.


Do like we do at work. Phones in a box until the meeting is over.
It's catching on big time.

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Post match thoughts on 07:21 - Mar 1 with 1482 viewsjojaca

Post match thoughts on 07:12 - Mar 1 by builthjack

Do like we do at work. Phones in a box until the meeting is over.
It's catching on big time.


Your right, I love throwing my phone in locker at work for eight hours without touching the damn thing.

Even when you know, you never know?

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Post match thoughts on 07:57 - Mar 1 with 1445 viewsmagicdaps10

Post match thoughts on 05:54 - Mar 1 by jasper_T

I think West Brom taking off Mulumby for another striker made a difference to the spaces that were available to us. Whether we deliberately went more direct or not, we looked far more threatening from that point.

Naive from Bruce. Disrupted a shape that had kept us at bay without too many issues to chase a win.


That's the crux of the matter, the spaces were there later on in the game.
If the space was there earlier then the passes or runs would have been made to exploit it but they weren't there until WBA started chasing the 3 points.

Football isnt a difficult game but it's not as easy as some make it out to be either.

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Post match thoughts on 07:59 - Mar 1 with 1440 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 06:13 - Mar 1 by Dr_Parnassus

What needed to be done was very apparent, very early.

I made two comments in the first half in the match day thread stating that we needed to get the ball out wide and expose the spaces being left down each defensive flank. But we were moving it too slow and too centrally. We were passing 15 times before moving forward meaning those gaps were then filled, it was incredibly frustrating.





Second half he puts Ntcham on, chucks him out wide late and starts to go more direct (2 passes from defensive area to scoring for the first goal, and 3 passes from defensive area to scoring for the second goal), exploiting that weakness in their defensive flanks.

Look at the space for Ntcham for the first one, that was there all game, we were just too slow in thought to expose it.



The space out there was unreal.

So he got there in the end but that was basic and should have made that change far sooner. But hard to be critical as he did eventually see the obvious and acted on it.


They were there earlier.

I noted it halfway though the first half and reiterated it 20 mins later.

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Post match thoughts on 08:07 - Mar 1 with 1414 viewsonehunglow

The worst side we have played.They were clueless ,gutless and inept.
I think we were staggered as to how bad they were.
That header that hit the post-as Fisher watched- was key.
First half ,like so many others,turgid.

Second half and we go direct and hey ho. Players decision or Martin? Either way, we looked like we could score 6. Piroe showed how vital he is and one for us to truly nurture and not mess about.Considering his lack of a quality partner and the distribution to him,he is pretty awesome.Not ready for higher things? My arris he is.

Fisher is an accident waiting to happen and lets face it,we all have hearts in mouth every time he is challenged.

We have real quality in that team ,enough to make a decent fist of a play off place. That we are not is gutting as this league is mediocre and wide open. We hammered Huddersfield for 45 mins and they are the form team in the league. We can and should be doing this .

On to the next game then.

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Post match thoughts on 08:14 - Mar 1 with 1409 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 08:07 - Mar 1 by onehunglow

The worst side we have played.They were clueless ,gutless and inept.
I think we were staggered as to how bad they were.
That header that hit the post-as Fisher watched- was key.
First half ,like so many others,turgid.

Second half and we go direct and hey ho. Players decision or Martin? Either way, we looked like we could score 6. Piroe showed how vital he is and one for us to truly nurture and not mess about.Considering his lack of a quality partner and the distribution to him,he is pretty awesome.Not ready for higher things? My arris he is.

Fisher is an accident waiting to happen and lets face it,we all have hearts in mouth every time he is challenged.

We have real quality in that team ,enough to make a decent fist of a play off place. That we are not is gutting as this league is mediocre and wide open. We hammered Huddersfield for 45 mins and they are the form team in the league. We can and should be doing this .

On to the next game then.


They were horrific, I was surprised how long it took us to adjust. The issues with WBA's shape were obvious to the blindest of football fans, I was staggered in the first half as you can see from the comments I highlighted on the matchday thread. Acres of space.

The commentator then said after 50 mins or so, that it was strange we were hesitant to move forward into those spaces and instead allowing them time to regroup by trying to get the possession stats up. A criticism we have leveled at this team this season many times.

If we didn't expose it at all then there were huge questions to be asked after the match, thankfully he adapted 15 mins before the end and we took advantage twice, scoring from identical positions highlighted long before.

This is a very good team, make no mistake about it. We should not be where we are. But again, I can only hope lessons have been learned and we can kick on - but we have been here before.

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Post match thoughts on 08:33 - Mar 1 with 1388 viewspencoedjack

Post match thoughts on 08:14 - Mar 1 by Dr_Parnassus

They were horrific, I was surprised how long it took us to adjust. The issues with WBA's shape were obvious to the blindest of football fans, I was staggered in the first half as you can see from the comments I highlighted on the matchday thread. Acres of space.

The commentator then said after 50 mins or so, that it was strange we were hesitant to move forward into those spaces and instead allowing them time to regroup by trying to get the possession stats up. A criticism we have leveled at this team this season many times.

If we didn't expose it at all then there were huge questions to be asked after the match, thankfully he adapted 15 mins before the end and we took advantage twice, scoring from identical positions highlighted long before.

This is a very good team, make no mistake about it. We should not be where we are. But again, I can only hope lessons have been learned and we can kick on - but we have been here before.


I am pretty sure you must be the type person who likes the sound of their own voice.
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Post match thoughts on 08:35 - Mar 1 with 1386 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 08:33 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack

I am pretty sure you must be the type person who likes the sound of their own voice.


Anything you disagree with at all?

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Post match thoughts on 08:41 - Mar 1 with 1380 viewspencoedjack

Post match thoughts on 08:35 - Mar 1 by Dr_Parnassus

Anything you disagree with at all?


I don’t bother reading most of what you post tbh.
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Post match thoughts on 08:50 - Mar 1 with 1365 viewsDr_Parnassus

Post match thoughts on 08:41 - Mar 1 by pencoedjack

I don’t bother reading most of what you post tbh.


That's a shame you clicked on the thread then. Would be good to get your input.

The more people making football posts and refraining from personal silliness the better.

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Post match thoughts on 08:55 - Mar 1 with 1361 viewslifelong

Post match thoughts on 08:07 - Mar 1 by onehunglow

The worst side we have played.They were clueless ,gutless and inept.
I think we were staggered as to how bad they were.
That header that hit the post-as Fisher watched- was key.
First half ,like so many others,turgid.

Second half and we go direct and hey ho. Players decision or Martin? Either way, we looked like we could score 6. Piroe showed how vital he is and one for us to truly nurture and not mess about.Considering his lack of a quality partner and the distribution to him,he is pretty awesome.Not ready for higher things? My arris he is.

Fisher is an accident waiting to happen and lets face it,we all have hearts in mouth every time he is challenged.

We have real quality in that team ,enough to make a decent fist of a play off place. That we are not is gutting as this league is mediocre and wide open. We hammered Huddersfield for 45 mins and they are the form team in the league. We can and should be doing this .

On to the next game then.


Fisher had a clean sheet, Grimes had a very good game, as did Naughton, the manager had the selection and the substitutions spot on.👍
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